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Post by Pazza on Dec 31, 2011 17:02:50 GMT 12
There were at least 4 different engine builders caught out + about 3 inderpendent manifold builders..2 my understanding the rule had been changed from 100mm 2 130mm from the base of the carb2 the top of the closest inlet port
This had been passed via technical commitee & snz BUT it waz miss printed in the wording of this rule & neva put on the snz site..
Yes it waz written in log book & told had 2 b fixed 2 100mm rule or no race..even though most cars were racing at the shakedown with no probs
Thanks 2 Brian & Pete 4 thier help over the weekend..
as of all of this Stratty Speedway still holds the most amount of casr 2 race at a SNZ Stockcar Champs...lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2011 18:10:26 GMT 12
There were at least 4 different engine builders caught out + about 3 inderpendent manifold builders..2 my understanding the rule had been changed from 100mm 2 130mm from the base of the carb2 the top of the closest inlet port This had been passed via technical commitee & snz BUT it waz miss printed in the wording of this rule & neva put on the snz site.. I just checked, and this was in the September update on the SNZ website... STOCKCARS:
MANIFOLD PACKAGE CLARIFICATION
SNZ Updates 160 (October 2008), 180 (August 2010) and 181 (September 2010) dealt with Stockcar Manifold packages approved by the Board as per Rule T12-2-17(i). See the SNZ website www.speedway.co.nz for details.
It should be noted that these packages are unaffected by the rule change to clause T12-2-18(e), which means the height from the base face edge of the carburettor must still be no more than 100mm from the top of the inlet port on vehicles running an approved manifold package. |
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Post by Visacard on Dec 31, 2011 20:08:07 GMT 12
137a (withdrawn)I saw these cars in the pits or on trailers, not sure if they failed though: 4b 18g 41c [glow=red,2,300]107c (not on your list)[/glow]16b (raced 2nd night)669w More to this. Watch this space  |
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Post by Roaddog on Jan 1, 2012 9:19:56 GMT 12
I was told by one driver that they were measuring them with a ruler and a ball point pen?, 7k was told his was over and was able to get his fixed in time, 16b was unable to get his done but did the next day to be able to race, was also told the chch car was measured on the second night again? and was legal and they just got a sorry from snz? 17 cars in total had problems with this.
I was also told Stanaway's car when tested had fuel in the cylinder snz picked, the fuel was quickly blown out with an air gun then tested, it went 10:7 then 10:4 then 10:? memory fade, so they asked to test a different cylinder as the readings were going up and down, they were told no you are over that's it, it is being pulled down to check it and see if it is truly over, if it is not then what dose this say about the tester? my brother Phil blew over got his engine pulled down it was under, Rinco had the same thing, only 2 I know of there may be more.
If it dose go over people will call them cheats, this doesn't wash with me as most guys now would have no clue what was in their engines, or what half of the parts inside are even called. They put their trust in guys to build an engine to the rules and be legal but suffer if it is wrong I think engine builders need to hold some sort of responsibility and accountability for their engines.
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Post by robbobinnz on Jan 1, 2012 9:53:12 GMT 12
I agree roaddog
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Post by BarryB on Jan 1, 2012 10:00:07 GMT 12
Well said roaddog
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Post by kurt on Jan 1, 2012 10:58:37 GMT 12
very well said and agree 100%
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Post by iaccelerate on Jan 1, 2012 11:36:43 GMT 12
41c pinged illegal manifold. Have to feel for these guys , towed all the way from ChCh . Engine was built for them by Hartley and they never had a clue the manifold was illegal.Expensive learning curve for them... Doesnt help that they havent had a problem with it unless they got a new engine before the haul up because hes raced in chch this season with no problem. |
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Post by craige on Jan 1, 2012 11:40:54 GMT 12
669w brendon tye out with a injury,hurt his tail bone or something like that day before mucking around on waterslide
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Post by rustytim on Jan 1, 2012 11:45:55 GMT 12
I know if I was in a position where I failed Scruit on an engine I had paid big bikkies for from any engine builder who knows the rules and knew what the engine needed to comply with then I would be expecting a full refund on purchase price And be asking for a refund of costs travelling to NZs only to fail.
Unfortunatly you cant say to SNZ 'Oh but I bought the engine from XXXXX why cant I race' The ball stops with the driver if your car is illegal even if you paid good money to a well known and respected stockcar engine builder.
Were the engines failed predominatly V6 Commys or Falcons?
One would assume that all the cars that failed had never been scruitineered by the scruitineer who failed them. Perhaps prior to big meetings like this the chief scruit could email all drivers with their takes on rules that can often be open to interpretation so drivers dont end up in this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 11:52:48 GMT 12
41c was completely in the dark about his engine , it was built by Hartley and they expected it to be all legal.
Yes they had raced it prior without any issues .
Most engines pulled up were falcon from what i saw , it appeared a fault with the injected manifolds .
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Post by tank11 on Jan 1, 2012 11:55:14 GMT 12
I know if I was in a position where I failed Scruit on an engine I had paid big bikkies for from any engine builder who knows the rules and knew what the engine needed to comply with then I would be expecting a full refund on purchase price And be asking for a refund of costs travelling to NZs only to fail. Unfortunatly you cant say to SNZ 'Oh but I bought the engine from XXXXX why cant I race' The ball stops with the driver if your car is illegal even if you paid good money to a well known and respected stockcar engine builder. Were the engines failed predominatly V6 Commys or Falcons? (and a ROVER)One would assume that all the cars that failed had never been scruitineered by the scruitineer who failed them. Perhaps prior to big meetings like this the chief scruit could email all drivers with their takes on rules that can often be open to interpretation so drivers dont end up in this situation. .... ;D |
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Post by dodge on Jan 1, 2012 13:11:09 GMT 12
41c was completely in the dark about his engine , it was built by Hartley and they expected it to be all legal. Yes they had raced it prior without any issues . Most engines pulled up were falcon from what i saw , it appeared a fault with the injected manifolds . In the dark, maybe?? yet His father has been very vocal about other CHCH car's engine legality this season.. and they raced. Karma anyone??? |
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Post by stock16n on Jan 1, 2012 17:04:31 GMT 12
have snz cocked up remit no 207 this remit was carried at conference 2011 this was for manifold no 4 remit which you can be 130 mm above inlet port snz should refund drivers expenses
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Post by joker9377 on Jan 1, 2012 18:59:46 GMT 12
Our guy was told he was 11mm too high.(injection manifold Falcon) Went and got it machined off and came back to be told he was 12mm high  . Got the issue sorted with ANOTHER check and went racing. Its not really an issue for here but if you think you are in the right send your tech info from your manifold builder to SNZ to have them clarify everything so this wont happen again. As for those whos defence is 'we raced all year like this' that doesnt wash because your regular scrutineer isnt going to be checking all that. They are mainly safety and construction on a weekly basis. my 10 cents...  |
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Post by mrmadtaylor on Jan 1, 2012 22:22:03 GMT 12
/As for those whos defence is 'we raced all year like this' that doesnt wash because your regular scrutineer isnt going to be checking all that. They are mainly safety and construction on a weekly basis. my 10 cents... Then maybe they should be checking this kind of stuff more often... and have to think some (maybe even most or all) of the talked about cars would have passed green sheeting with there current motors etc |
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Post by vf8 on Jan 2, 2012 7:09:40 GMT 12
I agree, the green sheet checking should leave you ashured that your car complies to the SNZ interpretation of rule book in every aspect at the time of the check.Also if the compression checking machines are failing to provide consistent results, mabe the compression ratio should be measured and calcuated when the cubic capacity is being done for the engine declaration.
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Post by zeppelin on Jan 2, 2012 9:26:51 GMT 12
Interesting how they are now pulling the injection manifolds up & yet some have had them on for over a season??? Why is it they can run them pretty much at most tracks & checked by official SNZ vehicle checkers & yet come to the NZ's & get teched out....all very strange!
That is a common problem with national championships that needs to be rectified.
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Post by ladylostris on Jan 3, 2012 9:48:24 GMT 12
Check the rule book guys; apparently there is something wrong in there.
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Post by Pazza on Jan 3, 2012 10:25:08 GMT 12
YES 16n..Time will tell 2 c what is going 2 happen about this rule.
All these engine builders etc wouldn't have made these manifolds 2 the old rule when they knew the new rule waz in place..They all don't try 2 tarnish there own names.Some1 has c#cked up BIG TIME by the sound of it..Only time will tell..
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