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Post by wayspeed on Jan 29, 2012 12:24:24 GMT 12
The track team was pretty good at moving cars back last night.... I disagree - not far enough - those that did it legally still lost ground. At one point the officials didnt move anyone back! At some times officials moved cars forward from where they had stopped, instead of moving those who had gain spaces under RED's back, not good!! |
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Post by Admin on Jan 29, 2012 12:26:00 GMT 12
I think all possible points have been made , let's see what happens tonight.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 31, 2012 12:04:50 GMT 12
I know you've locked this thread macgor, but just thought I'd add as couple of insights and considerations from the SNZ referee over the weekend, Rod McNaughton (who has just phoned me).
Firstly, it is he as the SNZ head official that is in charge of the red light button, not the Huntly club, so no flack should be aimed at the WSSCC (it should be all aimed a him if anybody has a problem).
Secondly, the drivers generally prefer for Rod to wait and just double check that they are requesting a red light. There was one case (night 2 I think) when Peter Rees was stopped for what seemed a very long time, but eventually fired up and rejoined. Remember, once Rod throws the red light for a car, that driver is out whether he wants to be out or not.
The cars were running 16-17 second laps. By the time a couple of radio calls have gone backwards and forwards, just clarifying the situation if it is unclear, 20 seconds can pass by and some cars will have been by the crash scene twice. Some scenarios can be reacted to much quicker of course......
There's also many situations where fans have a much better view of an incident than any official either on the infield or upstairs, hence their reaction appearing to be slower in the spectators eyes. Other incidents, visually, are the other way round of course.......
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Post by Admin on Jan 31, 2012 12:16:44 GMT 12
and I'll add a little bit more as well.
I do think it would be quite good to put some of this sort of info into printed programs and over the speakers once in a while.
People naturally react to what they see and if they knew a bit more about how things work life might be a tad easier for everyone.
Perhaps there should be a spectators hand book , nah that's probably going too far but hopefully someone will get the gist.
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Post by Shai-tan on Jan 31, 2012 12:58:23 GMT 12
I definately agree with the typical reason for the wait and many understand that, what I don't understand is that on night 1 when the entire turn 3 and 4 spectators are waving about a thumbs down and 2 laps later the reds go on.
Then another car hits the one with the thumbs down right after the lights go on.
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Post by MattH on Jan 31, 2012 13:53:11 GMT 12
I think I should have some input as I was one of those affected on the track.
I got put in the wall in turn 3/4 hard and knew straight away damage was done to the body so thumbs down. because of the angle of the car my right hand probably wasn't that visible to the infield, and because of an offset car my left hand couldn't really reach the left side window but i tried both as that was all i could do. I could see the mexican wave as somebody put it copying me and was a bit surprised this wasn't noticed.
We must keep in mind though the spotters on the infield will be solely focussed on whats going on the track and maybe the crowd in the background just didn't grab anybodys attention.
Not blaming anybody here at all, maybe something else needs to be looked into, i.e. a spotter on the outside of the track with a radio, one at each end as generally its the corners where these things tend to happen.
I would hate to have thought what would have happenned if I got collected again but thankfully it didn't happen
Matt 99h on this occassion
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jan 31, 2012 15:12:55 GMT 12
I think I should have some input as I was one of those affected on the track. I got put in the wall in turn 3/4 hard and knew straight away damage was done to the body so thumbs down. ... but i tried both as that was all i could do. I could see the mexican wave as somebody put it copying me and was a bit surprised this wasn't noticed. We must keep in mind though the spotters on the infield will be solely focussed on whats going on the track and maybe the crowd in the background just didn't grab anybodys attention. Not blaming anybody here at all, maybe something else needs to be looked into, ... I would hate to have thought what would have happenned if I got collected again but thankfully it didn't happen Matt 99h on this occassion Perhaps we are too reliant on just ONE method of attention, a thumb. A blue (or as appropriate) strobe light fitted inside the driver compartment? |
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 31, 2012 15:30:18 GMT 12
I think I should have some input as I was one of those affected on the track. I got put in the wall in turn 3/4 hard and knew straight away damage was done to the body so thumbs down. ... but i tried both as that was all i could do. I could see the mexican wave as somebody put it copying me and was a bit surprised this wasn't noticed. We must keep in mind though the spotters on the infield will be solely focussed on whats going on the track and maybe the crowd in the background just didn't grab anybodys attention. Not blaming anybody here at all, maybe something else needs to be looked into, ... I would hate to have thought what would have happenned if I got collected again but thankfully it didn't happen Matt 99h on this occassion Perhaps we are too reliant on just ONE method of attention, a thumb. A blue (or as appropriate) strobe light fitted inside the driver compartment? As i said in a previoos post i worked with Massey Uni to develop a unit which allows the Track status Red light/ Yellow to be displayed on the dash to the driver. The unit also had a Thumbs down (switch or button- this i wanted to talk to a few drivers on to find the best method) which would communicate directly with the race referee. He could them make a call to switch on reds. The advantage of the in car lights is the could be postioned in the drivers eyeline- making the track status update uniform and also be in place where the drivers was focused not relying on periferal vision,Also less requirement on track marshalls, easy to see in daylight hours cost under $300 per unit and less than $800 per track |
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Post by penman on Jan 31, 2012 15:48:39 GMT 12
Perhaps we are too reliant on just ONE method of attention, a thumb. A blue (or as appropriate) strobe light fitted inside the driver compartment? As i said in a previoos post i worked with Massey Uni to develop a unit which allows the Track status Red light/ Yellow to be displayed on the dash to the driver. The unit also had a Thumbs down (switch or button- this i wanted to talk to a few drivers on to find the best method) which would communicate directly with the race referee. He could them make a call to switch on reds. The advantage of the in car lights is the could be postioned in the drivers eyeline- making the track status update uniform and also be in place where the drivers was focused not relying on periferal vision,Also less requirement on track marshalls, easy to see in daylight hours cost under $300 per unit and less than $800 per track How long ago was that option put in front of SNZ? Is it possible that options have changed in that time? Ie, more open to this type of tech? |
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Post by Roaddog on Jan 31, 2012 15:55:46 GMT 12
I will add my two cents worth
it may have been said? sorry if it has,
it has been said at drivers meetings in the past and at this meeting, if a car is stopped the ref will give time for a driver to get his car restarted before he/she puts on the red lights if they deem the car to be in a dangerous position they will put the reds on and you will be removed, spectators will not be looked at as a signal that the driver is thumbs down or ko, as they maybe wrong and once the reds are put on for them they have to be removed according to the racing rules, all drivers must have agreed as no one said anything when asked if they wanted to add anything, if the ref's can't see the driver they wait for a call from the infield, I know the infield staff have made the call to the ref in the past and ref has let racing carry on, I also believe that the ref calls red light 2 or 3 times before doing so, so the infield staff, lap-scorers etc know and they can be ready.
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Post by Skorp on Jan 31, 2012 16:18:11 GMT 12
once the reds are put on for them they have to be removed according to the racing rules For the sake of driver safety, this needs to be changed. If the referees can't verify whether a driver is thumbs down or not, then the race should be stopped so that the officials can verify the whether the driver wants to be removed or not. Obviously, the officials need to exhaust all other options to verify if the driver is thumbs down or not first, but in situations where the car is at an angle where the officials just can't see, then the driver shouldn't be unfairly penalized because of bad luck resulting in the officials being unable to see if he is thumbs down or thumbs up. |
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Post by antz34h on Jan 31, 2012 16:31:40 GMT 12
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