Guy that threw can at Bengston? (Read 11,738 times)

[kiatoa]

The simple thing to do is section off a Family zone ( no alcohol ) its done for most sporting events and would work at The Team Champs too

[splinta67]

There used to be a family zone there a few years back.
Why cant we all wait till the meetings over then go to the clubrooms
for a beer like it used to be. Ive been to many other motorsport events
how many sale alcohol none!!

[kiatoa]

Feb 14, 2012 10:47:47 GMT 12 splinta67 said:

There used to be a family zone there a few years back.
Why cant we all wait till the meetings over then go to the clubrooms
for a beer like it used to be. Ive been to many other motorsport events
how many sale alcohol none!!

I could give you a conservative 150,000 reasons- $$$$$$

[splinta67]

How many tracks sell alcohol during meetings?
I understand the $ but really I thought speedway was a family
sport

[kiatoa]

Feb 14, 2012 11:04:33 GMT 12 splinta67 said:

How many tracks sell alcohol during meetings?
I understand the $ but really I thought speedway was a family
sport

Rugby is a family sport as is soccer etc, the movies - you can get a beer at all those events. We wouldnt want to live in a totalitarian state now would we. Remember it is a very small number causing trouble, simply create an area where families or anyone who doesnt want to surrounded by people drinking can sit. I love the banter between the guys dressed up who have had a few beers - to me its part of the whole experience

[brownie13s]

The can thrown on turn 3 wasn't a beer can not saying what type as don't want them band too
These guys were well and truly tanked up before they got to the track and never brought a single drink all night so the don't sell it, wont work.
Maybe a breath test before entering ;D ;D
I now my crew had quite abit to drink on the the Saturday night but other than a heavy handed highvis boy who didn't like it( no complaints from the people sitting around us)we all behaved ourselves even when we got beaten.
Its not the alcohol but the drinker

[Ricoshea]

i am anti alcohol during a meeting, however, surely it is simple to have a designated area for those who wish to have a drink or 3, and just evict those who persist outside the designated area, much easier also for track security to keep things under control if that is required.

[splinta67]

I agree with Ricoshea there should be a designated area for drinkers maybe that will keep them from throwing cans and hurling abuse at drivers and crews in the pits and remember you cant race your stockcar at the pub so why should you drink at the speedway

[thereal888]

The reality is if a drunkin fool wants to play up they willing you ban alcohol they will find a way of getting it in. You can't search 15000 people so the only thing that can be done really to protect the innocent is by better policing. Whilst I understand there is a cost involved I believe this to be the most effective way. I think this needs to be seriously looked at before teams champs next year because after all the talks on here as well as newspaper articles and no doubt a few harsh words in pubs and club rooms I can see people taking the law into their own hands and punch ups arising which is NOT what our beloved sport needs as we have enough negatives going on already.
Nuff said!

[streety15c]

Feb 14, 2012 13:18:31 GMT 12 Ricoshea said:

i am anti alcohol during a meeting, however, surely it is simple to have a designated area for those who wish to have a drink or 3, and just evict those who persist outside the designated area, much easier also for track security to keep things under control if that is required.

ruapuna have a designated area seems to work well

[MadMarty13B]

Brought up every year every year gets worse many families don't go anymore because of it but it just falls on deaf ears and blind eyes like many other things something really bad will happen and only then will it be addressed

[Brett85p]

A good start would be to have purchasable wristbands for pit entry (maybe 10 free per car) and those wearing wristbands are not able to purchase alcohol at the track during the meeting.

Would not have stopped this clown but may have prevented some of the abuse thrown at drivers in the pits and less chance of some drunken idiot being run over in the pits.

[Deleted]

As Marty says , Its brought up time and time again every year , before and after the event.
Its ok for those wise ones to say' If you dont like it dont go '' but if you fork out the $$$$$$$$$$$$ to attend this event [ which isnt cheap ] why should you and your friends and family have to put up with this crap every year .
Yes every year it falls on deaf ears , but the question is ?
Why are those responsible for running the show totally ignoring the paying public.
Is it time to complain to the owners of the facility .....

[pfloyd]

the alcohol thing is very confusing isnt it. as with most things i reckon it wont be resolved till there is a major incident/injury on site involving alcohol. Then everyone will be looking to see who is responsible for its control and therefore the enforcement of alcohol laws at the site. On the night who holds the liquor licence ? the promoter, the site owner (Arena) or the vendor ?
When Kingsgate were the vendor on site they used to have their own security looking after the alcohol points of sale and there was a different security company looking after the venue security. That no longer happens and you vary rarely see security anywhere near the points of sale anymore. It is my understanding that Arena just hire out the venue and the event security is the responsibility of the hirer. so this now begs the question - if the promoter only hires the venue to run his speedway meeting and has no interest in the sale of alcohol then is he required to provide security for the control of it or is that down to the venue owner or the vendor ? lots of people are putting the control of grog on Bruces plate when Highrevz may have knocked it on the head - the site OWNER may need to step in to this.
one things for sure - i bet we will be discussing it again next year across multiple threads

[blair]

Yes it is the same issues every year. I agree no need to ban alcohol. It is simple, alcohol free sections of grandstand or reserve seating. The Mt also does this. I take my son who is 9 and get pissed off with the drunks behaviour and language every year. Would love to see alcohol free area. Would make a great weekend even better. The people who wish to drink can all sit together therfore you can put the bulk of your security in this area. This is not a Police problem and you do not want it to be. Some hefty fines or loss of licence could result. It would be a huge drain on Police to try and Police this event.

[stock]

i apoligise to everyone and peter rees for throwing the can on t3 it was not intended at any one in particular.
i did not throw a can at bengstein as was said earlier.
as said earlier there was more than just this can throwing incident as like the fighting in the grandstand.
so i hope this is enough to calm down this topic
sick azz

[sketchy]

the louts throwing cans is a big issue. they get to that point with passion and to much dutch courage

but its hard to enforce the rules in a venue of this size.person A gets refused service, person B goes to the counter and buys beer for person A so person A gets even more loaded.sadly this is the point where its gotten away from the seller, and this is where the fun starts. person A get wasted and becomes a problem for security.

person A is technically remaining on licensed premises(the stadium) while intoxicated. so if they are refused service, they should at that point be removed from the venue.

the bag check at the gate is a waste of time. as if its in the pockets its inside the venue(the security guards can only check bags) they do however have the right to refuse entry to people for intoxication, so I dont see why that is not used more often. might clean up the crowed very early if they dont get in to start with, if they are already holding a ticket, the promotor already has the money....and the drunk is no longer his problem:)

this has an added bonus, the worst ones are less likely to cause trouble inside the venue. and the non intoxicated people who like to have a beer and watch some racing, will still get to enjoy the privaledge.

but that requires who holds the license(arena most likely) to ensure the persons serving actually do the right thing.

otherwise we complain to the DLA, and get the license suspended sighting reasons like drunk abusive patrons are allowed to remain on premises.

will result in several very bad things happening, the suspension of the license to the arena,they wont be able to seve at all for up to 7 days, not so bad due to how often big events are on, or fines
to the complete end to the booze at the venue for any event

but that still wont stop people smuggling it in, or getting boozed before arrival.

[theothermikeyb]

Feb 15, 2012 18:15:29 GMT 12 stock said:

i apoligise to everyone and peter rees for throwing the can on t3 it was not intended at any one in particular.
i did not throw a can at bengstein as was said earlier.
as said earlier there was more than just this can throwing incident as like the fighting in the grandstand.
so i hope this is enough to calm down this topic
sick azz

Nope you are still hiding behind an online name - apology means nothing!

[stock]

marcus nothing to hide at all bet you are not perfect either

[splinta67]

Why alcohol free areas should be a drinking area