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Post by plody on Jan 21, 2013 21:24:07 GMT 12
Christchurch rotorua auckland blenhim all had drivers from other clubs but i will point out one thing that rotorua only used there ringin driver jayden ward when there own club car was damaged beyond repair for 2nd race i think they did it right.
3 of these teams made the top 8 would they have without those drivers? Im not saying they wouldn't just asking the question.
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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 21, 2013 22:02:35 GMT 12
Talking to a couple of people on Saturday night (not spectators but those interwoven with a team) and they were saying if the ring ins weren't used, they'd quite happily go to a six team format if they have to. I'm inclined to agree, and yes, I am aware of the costs of travel and whatnot for teams (especially if the poor buggers cross the Pumas or Panthers on the first night). But still, if you can't make it outa your own club, don't put it forward.
In saying that though, it should only reallllly apply if at literallly 5pm on Qualifying night someone doesn't show up and a team is left wanting, then maybe a ring in should be considered.
And this isn't to take anything away from Aaron Iremonger, Jayden Ward, Jordan Dare or Graeme Peter (and Chevron Taniwha for a moment there) because they did what they do and loved it... its just a solid fact.
BTW, tis just my opinion.
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Post by ajgullery on Jan 22, 2013 2:25:17 GMT 12
and if the teams event only had 6 teams show up....we would all be one here howling for blood.
pregnant doging and moaning that the other tracks should feild a team.
As I see it, these drivers that raced for other teams only accepted invitations after their home track had already settled on a team.
Ring in and a full complement of teams, no ringins and half the teams....
either way we are all gonna pregnant dog about it.
So if we gotta put up with pregnant dogin, I would rather do so after watching a weekend of full on teams racing from a full feild of teams.
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Post by Brett85p on Jan 22, 2013 3:04:31 GMT 12
The alternate is to let the stronger clubs field more teams, I expect that would cause more moaning from the masses.
Palmy Pumas, Palmy Steelers, Palmy Pumas B team, Palmy over 45 year old team.....
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Post by ajgullery on Jan 22, 2013 4:17:55 GMT 12
think we need a rule like the 24hr of LeMons
•2.4: Whiner Eligibility. Whiners are not eligible to compete. If you believe that you might be a whiner, please check with a domestic partner, guardian, or health-care professional before getting the rest of your team kicked the hell out of the race.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 5:02:28 GMT 12
The alternate is to let the stronger clubs field more teams, I expect that would cause more moaning from the masses. Palmy Pumas, Palmy Steelers, Palmy Pumas B team, Palmy over 45 year old team..... Under the rules of the NZ Stockcar Teams Champs, that cannot happen, hence the 11 teams. I can understand the situation with clubs like ESS due to a lack of car numbers, but when you have clubs with 40+ cars having to use ring-ins you've got to ask the question........ |
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Post by nogrip-31gm on Jan 22, 2013 9:40:25 GMT 12
if you got the outside costs down(accommodation/food) i think you could attract more drivers to put their hands up..
for alot of these guys its 4/5days on the rd.
thats alot of money going into food and accommodation for their team(and most bring family too).
thats a huge pocket killer right there.
thats before you take into account the cost of just traveling to palmy from any other club track.
i really dont think many drivers actually care about the cost of car repairs, cos any amount of damage can happen on any club night so are prepared for that anyway.
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Post by alloyplatypus on Jan 22, 2013 10:28:57 GMT 12
The alternate is to let the stronger clubs field more teams, I expect that would cause more moaning from the masses. Palmy Pumas, Palmy Steelers, Palmy Pumas B team, Palmy over 45 year old team..... Under the rules of the NZ Stockcar Teams Champs, that cannot happen, hence the 11 teams. I can understand the situation with clubs like ESS due to a lack of car numbers, but when you have clubs with 40+ cars having to use ring-ins you've got to ask the question........ I think that a huge problem is that some tracks have many drivers who still work to the original intent of the class and race BUDGET. How many cars does Auckland have? Jamie Fergusson made a reply on here a while back saying how so many potential Alleycat drivers are keen to do the local Auckland teams races but noone wants to travel far, and i know in my time, almost all of us Kihikihi drivers had that, and i know of other tracks that do too. The thing is, at some of those upper north tracks, alot of the field is made up of cars worth under $20,000., and even alot under $10,000. Same thing here in Christchurch. Now is it worth taking your car at that value, at a cost of about $2,000 to a meeting where some teams are full of $50,000 cars, to get them wrecked? Im not saying it is all about the dollars, because guys like Squeek do a hell of a job in their older cars, and the guy is a teams racing specialist.. but it isn't plausible for alot of people. |
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Post by snowy67 on Jan 22, 2013 13:32:41 GMT 12
Superstocks have been using ringins for years so why cant Stockcars...............
I wonder if "when " it was held had any thing to do with it...
1st week January NZ Stocks Christchurch
2nd week January Stock GP Greymouth
3rd week January Stock Teams Palmy
there had to be a few changes teams wise after the NZ's & GP
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Post by ricco on Jan 22, 2013 14:04:02 GMT 12
On Here Earlier, it was said about imports and only 1 team per track,
Question,
If you race under a P, and cant race for your own track if you dont make the 1st team, (only 1 team per track.) then why is it okay to race under another track.
So Palmy cant race 2 teams but its okay for all those drivers to race for other tracks,
we had 5 cars racing for differant teams and it was okay according to the rules.......
but rules stop those same driver from racing for palmy,
Its a bit rough........
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Post by Wildcat on Jan 22, 2013 15:24:36 GMT 12
The alternate is to let the stronger clubs field more teams, I expect that would cause more moaning from the masses. Palmy Pumas, Palmy Steelers, Palmy Pumas B team, Palmy over 45 year old team..... Under the rules of the NZ Stockcar Teams Champs, that cannot happen, hence the 11 teams. I can understand the situation with clubs like ESS due to a lack of car numbers, but when you have clubs with 40+ cars having to use ring-ins you've got to ask the question........ They have obviosly changed the rules because Welly had 2 teams few years ago The Temarua Termanaters and when Palmy won it back off the Young Guns Welly came back up the next year and won it back ,pretty sure it was the Palmy 2nd team the Mustangs |
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Post by chris56 on Jan 22, 2013 15:48:58 GMT 12
only one team per track last i heard/read
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Post by busterbell on Jan 22, 2013 15:50:29 GMT 12
On Here Earlier, it was said about imports and only 1 team per track, Question, If you race under a P, and cant race for your own track if you dont make the 1st team, (only 1 team per track.) then why is it okay to race under another track. So Palmy cant race 2 teams but its okay for all those drivers to race for other tracks, we had 5 cars racing for differant teams and it was okay according to the rules....... but rules stop those same driver from racing for palmy, Its a bit rough........ true but would rather it be a bit rough for the "p" guys then never have the championship leave the manawatu. surely there has to be some balance and opportunity for other clubs to wrestle the title away. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 15:50:54 GMT 12
only one team per track last i heard/read It hasn't always been the case, but the rules changed when the event became affiliated with SNZ. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 15:53:31 GMT 12
On Here Earlier, it was said about imports and only 1 team per track, Question, If you race under a P, and cant race for your own track if you dont make the 1st team, (only 1 team per track.) then why is it okay to race under another track. So Palmy cant race 2 teams but its okay for all those drivers to race for other tracks, we had 5 cars racing for differant teams and it was okay according to the rules....... but rules stop those same driver from racing for palmy, Its a bit rough........ Their licences are transferred to the other club, so, for example, Jordan Dare was officially registered to Blenheim at the weekend. There used to be a 2 or 3 week stand down for changeing one's licence - now there's just a fee payable to SNZ ;D |
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Post by plody on Jan 22, 2013 19:21:11 GMT 12
I spoke to someone today that advised me that the A registered cars were texted twice regarding needing another car for the team and no one replied so i guess its hard when in that situation.
Im taking nothing away from jordan,aaron,jayden,brad and chev there all great competitors and should be thanked for helping clubs out i just wondered why those teams needed to have ring ins.
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Post by chev74p on Jan 22, 2013 20:07:16 GMT 12
I didnt end up racing, was replaced by a local Christchurch car
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Post by tank11 on Jan 22, 2013 22:34:17 GMT 12
I didnt end up racing, was replaced by a local Christchurch car Ahh that (sort of) explains why when (we thought) you had the chance to finish off the leader in turn 3, you passed him and then got stopped(held up) at turn 2. They took the win. We all said"why didn't Chev finish him?" Because it wasn't you? Personally I think it was good of the boys(men) to race for (help out) other teams. Made the weekend. |
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Post by tiroto on Jan 23, 2013 7:12:08 GMT 12
Good thread Barry and the answer is yes it is a concern. Firstly congratulations to the Pumas awesome and it was a pleasure watching you guys.
This champs appears to have had the most ring-ins and good on Palmy for helping out but future champs will only get more demanding for ring-ins to the point where I think it won't be sustainable in it's current format.
Case in point: Rotorua. Correct me if I'm wrong someone but I think Rotorua had it's first ever ring-in. I think Barry you alluded to this but out of 40 registered R cars to Rotorua they couldn't field a 5th car? Why?
I'm only assuming here but it's a good discussion point and sends a warning to this teams event that if a club of 40 registered cars can't field a 5th car there's a problem - with the teams event not the Rascals or the club.
It's an investment vs return scenario. Drivers have a choice as to whether they want to teams race.
I'm assuming that most teams go to Palmy to win. Some teams are more realistic and set lesser goals.
All teams that go spend money - lots of it.
The main problem at the moment is that the Pumas are too good!
Their machinery is topnotch. They have far superior resources available backed up by an awesome culture at Palmy. Everything is geared to winning and winning well.
For every $1 spent directly on the car there are other indirect costs to the drivers ie time spent on car preparedness, time away, potential injuries, car crews availability, impact on families etc. You would have to be selective of what other meetings you travel away to other than the teams - I'm picking your whole season is based some what on the teams champs. It is a huge commitment.
If a team goes to Palmy with the goal of winning - how much money would a team require to be the best and compete and beat the Pumas? How much is it worth in time and effort for the team members, their families, car crew and their registered stockcar club to pour their limited resources into a goal that may not be achievable? So do you go there then for the love of it? Downgrade your goal to top four? Forget about winning?
The Pumas beat easily a good Rascals team. I just looked in awe at the way they dismembered the Rascals. It was not through lack of trying - far from it. The Rascals are a fantastic bunch of guys who are as professional as any but that race perhaps more than any illustrated the future problem. Aucklands effort was amazing and came close to pulling off a huge upset. Unfortunately that will continue to be the exception.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 23, 2013 7:25:58 GMT 12
And after Pumas, the Gladiators tipped them over........... ;D
First for a while?
I would have liked us to win it, but happy with a top 4.
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