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Post by busterbell on Jan 22, 2013 11:15:26 GMT 12
All teams drivers know that if you are parked in an attacking position you are fair game to be attacked. If you don't want to be attacked you go thumbs down and get out of the race.  . Maybe the public could be explained some of the rules in the build up to the event. By some one who has sat in at the drivers meeting on the night. if you are parked you have stopped. if you have stopped you are stationary. stationary vehicles can not hit or be hit. i didn't think that required much more explanation or needed to be any simpler.  |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 11:22:55 GMT 12
No, I believe I'm reading the intent of the rule..... how do you get that from this?? "Attacking from a stationary position or hitting a stationary car is not permitted." effectively you are saying lets throw the rulebook away cause what it states is not how you want to race. its up to the ref to know the rules and enforce them, not alter, ignore, or make up different ones. i see this particular rule as being very explicit. am i the only one??
Attacking cars MUST avoid cars that are in a non attacking position.
(Any inference that one can legitimately hit all stationary cars has been removed from the rules.)By interpreting the above rule, which says you can't hit all stationary cars but that you can hit cars in an attacking position....... |
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Post by Crow on Jan 22, 2013 11:24:41 GMT 12
All teams drivers know that if you are parked in an attacking position you are fair game to be attacked. If you don't want to be attacked you go thumbs down and get out of the race. . Maybe the public could be explained some of the rules in the build up to the event. By some one who has sat in at the drivers meeting on the night. if you are parked you have stopped. if you have stopped you are stationary. stationary vehicles can not hit or be hit. i didn't think that required much more explanation or needed to be any simpler. I understand what you are saying but if you attend the drivers meeting as a racer this is questioned and the referee tells you what you can and can't do. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 11:24:58 GMT 12
All teams drivers know that if you are parked in an attacking position you are fair game to be attacked. If you don't want to be attacked you go thumbs down and get out of the race. . Maybe the public could be explained some of the rules in the build up to the event. By some one who has sat in at the drivers meeting on the night. That's what I always used to to at Palmy each year, but have not done the track commentary in more recent years due to other commitments. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 11:26:23 GMT 12
if you are parked you have stopped. if you have stopped you are stationary. stationary vehicles can not hit or be hit. i didn't think that required much more explanation or needed to be any simpler. I understand what you are saying but if you attend the drivers meeting as a racer this is questioned and the referee tells you what you can and can't do. Exactly, end of story. |
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Post by busterbell on Jan 22, 2013 11:28:25 GMT 12
yes correct but to be legally in a attacking position you must be moving. not stationary. agree...... (gawd just say yes lol )
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Post by Admin on Jan 22, 2013 11:32:39 GMT 12
how do you get that from this?? "Attacking from a stationary position or hitting a stationary car is not permitted." effectively you are saying lets throw the rulebook away cause what it states is not how you want to race. its up to the ref to know the rules and enforce them, not alter, ignore, or make up different ones. i see this particular rule as being very explicit. am i the only one??
Attacking cars MUST avoid cars that are in a non attacking position.
(Any inference that one can legitimately hit all stationary cars has been removed from the rules.)By interpreting the above rule, which says you can't hit all stationary cars but that you can hit cars in an attacking position....... And a bit we don't always comprehend is that cars can be in an attacking position with their rear bumper in race direction. |
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Post by Crow on Jan 22, 2013 11:33:03 GMT 12
yes correct but to be legally in a attacking position you must be moving. not stationary. agree...... (gawd just say yes lol ) Agree unless the referee tells you different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 11:57:05 GMT 12
All teams drivers know that if you are parked in an attacking position you are fair game to be attacked. If you don't want to be attacked you go thumbs down and get out of the race. . Maybe the public could be explained some of the rules in the build up to the event. By some one who has sat in at the drivers meeting on the night. That's what I always used to to at Palmy each year, but have not done the track commentary in more recent years due to other commitments. Ditto for the few years the Stockcar teams were at Welly, altho I never did the last one they held. |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Jan 22, 2013 12:08:26 GMT 12
Well i just have spent 10mins reading all this and i can tell you as a teams racer that YES you can hit a park car if you think he is going to pull out and hit you.
You CAN attack from a parked position if you go in race direction.
You can be facing the wrong way and still get hit if they think you are going to back out (like Mike Mac did in Wellington one year) in front of them.
Teams racing rules are DIFFERENT from normal racing rules, that's why only fools teams race ;D.
In normal racing you can protest but in teams racing you are not allowed to protest.
As for the roll over i got from Hilton his front wheels were just over the pole line as the marks on the track showed but hey I'm not one to complain i would have done the same, the pole line was muddy and he might have breaked on the track and we slid off the track, nuts happens.
There was a few things that were dealt with wrong but give SNZ a break, Rod would be one of the best officials around NZ speedway and they do it for the love more than the money.
Here in HB we struggle to get SNZ officials so if all you keyboards think you know it all come be a Official in HB and see what it really is like.
Thanks Regan O'Brien 81b Meeanee Mauler
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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 22, 2013 12:16:06 GMT 12
Well i just have spent 10mins reading all this and i can tell you as a teams racer that YES you can hit a park car if you think he is going to pull out and hit you. You CAN attack from a parked position if you go in race direction. You can be facing the wrong way and still get hit if they think you are going to back out (like Mike Mac did in Wellington one year) in front of them. Teams racing rules are DIFFERENT from normal racing rules, that's why only fools teams race ;D. In normal racing you can protest but in teams racing you are not allowed to protest. As for the roll over i got from Hilton his front wheels were just over the pole line as the marks on the track showed but hey I'm not one to complain i would have done the same, the pole line was muddy and he might have breaked on the track and we slid off the track, nuts happens. There was a few things that were dealt with wrong but give SNZ a break, Rod would be one of the best officials around NZ speedway and they do it for the love more than the money. Here in HB we struggle to get SNZ officials so if all you keyboards think you know it all come be a Official in HB and see what it really is like. Thanks Regan O'Brien 81b Meeanee Mauler Well said  Fun ride in the cockpit was it Regan?  |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 12:34:08 GMT 12
yes correct but to be legally in a attacking position you must be moving. not stationary. agree...... (gawd just say yes lol ) Agree unless the referee tells you different. What he said. Depends on what's discussed and confirmed at drivers briefing. |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 22, 2013 12:41:53 GMT 12
But what Buster is saying is "the refs should not alter what the rulebook STATES".
Is that right Buster?
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 13:00:25 GMT 12
They clarify. Buster has had one too many BellBusters ;D
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Post by busterbell on Jan 22, 2013 13:03:07 GMT 12
But what Buster is saying is "the refs should not alter what the rulebook STATES". Is that right Buster? lol i seem to have caused enough angst. everyone will read what they want to read (even if it isn't there.) but yes.......everyone has been saying you can,you can, but no-one has pointed me to 'that' rule. i have shown what i have seen/read/understood and the refs are suppose to enforce rules that are 'in' the book including the code of ethics..... obviously this is another of those phantom rules. |
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Post by Skorp on Jan 22, 2013 13:22:50 GMT 12
There will always be 4 ways to interpret the rules. As a competitor, as an Official, as a Spectator. And then there's the correct way! ;D
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 13:36:46 GMT 12
But what Buster is saying is "the refs should not alter what the rulebook STATES". Is that right Buster? lol i seem to have caused enough angst. everyone will read what they want to read (even if it isn't there.) but yes.......everyone has been saying you can,you can, but no-one has pointed me to 'that' rule. i have shown what i have seen/read/understood and the refs are suppose to enforce rules that are 'in' the book including the code of ethics..... obviously this is another of those phantom rules. Regan has explained it for you buster.......and I've hi-lighted one of the two rules that YOU posted, and still you don't grasp it. Accepted, the rules you posted do appear to conflict each other a little, and people (including some drivers) have explained how drivers briefing always clarifies those issues so everybody understands. What more can you want? |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 22, 2013 13:37:10 GMT 12
There will always be 4 ways to interpret the rules. As a competitor, as an Official, as a Spectator. And then there's the correct way! ;D McLovin' it!!! |
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Post by boner87 on Jan 22, 2013 14:29:10 GMT 12
This hitting thing is quite a hot topic really. I perhaps its not the hitting of a stationary car but the nature of the hit. At the superstock teams we are use to seeing alot of front end hits to damage steering as opposed to the weekend where there were alot of hit directed at the rear of the car of stationary...ish cars. Lets put a rule for that and then officials make a small mistake and complain about that. Frankly in teams racing its simple cant go backwards and cant hit a rearward facing car(which happend on the weekend) and not attacking off grass. Any other questions is what a drivers briefing is for. These drivers are teams racers they no what it's all about hitting, blocking running for line and yes sometimes desperation comes into it when just pulling out in front and hoping for a good block. Is this why we go to teams racing events?
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Post by busterbell on Jan 22, 2013 14:43:49 GMT 12
by hokey i think i have got it!! the only non attacking car is one on the infield!! everything else is fair game. yes?? but only in a teams race. |
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. Maybe the public could be explained some of the rules in the build up to the event. By some one who has sat in at the drivers meeting on the night.
