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Post by wgtnlad on Jan 23, 2013 21:42:27 GMT 12
>:(All you key board muppets should go to the speedway nz website and download the rule book then read it front to back and the do the same thing again before you start banging on about rules etc, It frustrates me that you all know the rules but have never been an offical at any track. Reed then reply
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Post by busterbell on Jan 23, 2013 22:22:39 GMT 12
>:(All you key board muppets should go to the speedway nz website and download the rule book then read it front to back and the do the same thing again before you start banging on about rules etc, It frustrates me that you all know the rules but have never been an offical at any track. Reed then reply would you care to direct your anger more specifically?? even better correct something that may be wrong........  |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 24, 2013 6:52:34 GMT 12
The Team Racing Code of Ethics prevail over the normal racing rules. If something crops up that isn't covered in the Code then normal racing rules apply. If the only way a car can move is against the racing direction then that car is a non attacking car and can't be attacked nor can that car attack from that position. To be honest I think the code is reasonably easy to understand, the referee talks to the drivers before the meeting to assist their understanding, he doesn't make the rules up meeting by meeting. clearly the two rules clash with one another, but if you omit the one in the racing section, then the one in the teams rules makes sense. the teams rules also state "any inference that one can legitimately hit all stationary cars has been removed from the rules" i now understand that means you can hit anything that is stationary as long as it is a non attacking car, which is one that is on the infield, or as you pointed out one that is moving in the wrong race direction. i spose i should add one on its roof.  Took a while eh |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 24, 2013 6:56:09 GMT 12
>:(All you key board muppets should go to the speedway nz website and download the rule book then read it front to back and the do the same thing again before you start banging on about rules etc, It frustrates me that you all know the rules but have never been an offical at any track. Reed then reply So should some of the competitors ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 9:59:04 GMT 12
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Post by smegal on Jan 24, 2013 10:20:20 GMT 12
he was facing the wrong way to see the reds Just a few quick questions. cheers in advance for clearing this up for me (Staunch Taranaki Man Here) How can you face the wrong way to see the red lights?? Dosen't Palmy have them facing clockwise and anti clockwise?? How do the side cars see the lights?? Smegal |
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Post by Skorp on Jan 24, 2013 12:26:46 GMT 12
he was facing the wrong way to see the reds Just a few quick questions. cheers in advance for clearing this up for me (Staunch Taranaki Man Here) How can you face the wrong way to see the red lights?? Dosen't Palmy have them facing clockwise and anti clockwise?? How do the side cars see the lights?? Smegal Correct. That's also why flags are used in addition to lights, sometimes the lights can't be seen clearly enough for a number of reasons (car position, sun strike, ect.) |
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Post by boner87 on Jan 24, 2013 14:42:04 GMT 12
Tell ya what if I wasn't moving to Aussie in three weeks I'd put my hand up anytime. I'd do anything to make the sport better |
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Post by beachboy on Jan 24, 2013 22:05:37 GMT 12
(c) When a car has been rolled over and has landed on it’s wheels
it shall be allowed to keep racing provided there is no outside
assistance and it passes a quick safety check. The offending
car won’t be penalised for bringing on the red light.
So if a car rolls and lands back on its wheels but the wing were to fall off and be removed or if it caught on fire and got extinguished would ether of these be classed as Outside assistance?
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Post by Skorp on Jan 24, 2013 22:24:40 GMT 12
(c) When a car has been rolled over and has landed on it’s wheels
it shall be allowed to keep racing provided there is no outside
assistance and it passes a quick safety check. The offending
car won’t be penalised for bringing on the red light.So if a car rolls and lands back on its wheels but the wing were to fall off and be removed or if it caught on fire and got extinguished would ether of these be classed as Outside assistance? If the wing, or any other part of the car comes off completely and is fully detached then the car can continue, for example the Stratford that had its whole body come off after being t-boned by a Rotorua car in Palmy last weekend. The body was no longer attached to the car and the car was able to continue. However, if a piece of the car is hanging off the side, but still attached, then that car can be removed from the race. Depending on the situation, and the Officials, the car may be allowed to keep racing, provided the roll over was the reason for the stoppage. As for a fire, my understanding is that extinguishing the flames is not considered outside assistance, for example, when Peter Rees was rolled by the Poms at last years Superstock Teams Champs. His car caught fire and was extinguished by the fire crew (at least from what I've seen the extinguisher was used, although there was some debate last year over whether that was the case). He was allowed to continue racing. Again, this is assuming the roll over is the reason for the stoppage. I believe the reasoning behind this is because the race is stopped to allow a safety check to be performed, and therefore technically, no car has caused the stoppage. The same applies to debris that falls off a car, the race is stopped so that debris can be safely removed from the track before anyone can get hurt. |
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Post by beachboy on Jan 24, 2013 22:39:07 GMT 12
So with all that in mind then during a race if you catch on fire and the reds are put on to stop it so it can be extingusted then you must be able to carry on as it's not outside assistance.
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Post by midway on Jan 24, 2013 22:39:46 GMT 12
(c) When a car has been rolled over and has landed on it’s wheels
it shall be allowed to keep racing provided there is no outside
assistance and it passes a quick safety check. The offending
car won’t be penalised for bringing on the red light.So if a car rolls and lands back on its wheels but the wing were to fall off and be removed or if it caught on fire and got extinguished would ether of these be classed as Outside assistance? If it caught fire theres no way the driver can extinguish the flames so i guess thats out side assistance ,but if theres unburnt fuel in the exhaust pipes ,and it shoots flame from these and the fireman extinguish it i would expect thats not outside assistance ,but in some cases it certainly has caused alot of disagrement amongst officials like the wing maybe seen a danger to other racers or the public .How many ,good calls are there ,or one eyed officials or simply m8s in the right place  |
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Post by busterbell on Jan 24, 2013 23:25:54 GMT 12
So with all that in mind then during a race if you catch on fire and the reds are put on to stop it so it can be extingusted then you must be able to carry on as it's not outside assistance. i read it as only if that car has rolled over back onto its wheels will the red light stoppage be waived. anything else will be taken off. unless you skip back to rule r12-3-9 (a) The car which is the primary cause of the stoppage is not eligible to restart Exception: At the discretion of the Referee a car that has been rolled can be allowed to continue after a safety check has been carried out. but to make sense of that you have to assume it is the same rule written twice but a bit different?? (and i have struggled lately  ;D ) |
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Post by pnspeed on Jan 24, 2013 23:54:27 GMT 12
I believe there should be no penalty for putting out a fire. Surely it is in every ones (driver, officials, firemen, public) best interest that a fire is extinguished as quickly as possible and it is just madness for an official to hold off putting on the red lights while he tries to determine if the fire is an exhaust fuel fire or not.
Why would you have a fireman standing back waiting for the fire in the area of a car exhaust to hopefully go out by its self? Imagine what a coroner would have to say about that!
In the interests of safety any fire should be immediately extinguished without penalty. Once a fire takes hold it is very difficult to extinguish and can have a devastating effect. This would also make the referees job very simple when it comes to fire and outside assistance.
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Jan 25, 2013 6:33:06 GMT 12
I believe there should be no penalty for putting out a fire. Surely it is in every ones (driver, officials, firemen, public) best interest that a fire is extinguished as quickly as possible and it is just madness for an official to hold off putting on the red lights while he tries to determine if the fire is an exhaust fuel fire or not. Why would you have a fireman standing back waiting for the fire in the area of a car exhaust to hopefully go out by its self? Imagine what a coroner would have to say about that! In the interests of safety any fire should be immediately extinguished without penalty. Once a fire takes hold it is very difficult to extinguish and can have a devastating effect. This would also make the referees job very simple when it comes to fire and outside assistance. Very VERY valid point. Not something I think needs to be set out in the rules but perhaps general knowledge. Actually heres a bit of a cash on for robertson holden speedway, create a little booklet that has all applicable teams rules and actions. |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Jan 25, 2013 11:35:21 GMT 12
If you catch fire and reds get put on for you (cause of the fire) your off, BUT if you roll and the reds come on for a roll over and THEN you catch fire you are allowed to stay on. This was what Rod told us at the drivers meeting on saturday.
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Post by PantherFan87 on Jan 25, 2013 12:33:41 GMT 12
If you catch fire and reds get put on for you (cause of the fire) your off, BUT if you roll and the reds come on for a roll over and THEN you catch fire you are allowed to stay on. This was what Rod told us at the drivers meeting on saturday. And because I know beachball is gonna jump in, I think what you've said there Regan is exactly what happened to Pete at teams last year? He rolled over and landed on wheels, then caught fire. |
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Post by boner87 on Jan 25, 2013 15:56:53 GMT 12
Oh but in the SNZ rulebook it say........ haha
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Post by beachboy on Jan 26, 2013 7:38:14 GMT 12
Yeah depends which rule book aye boner87. Would be a good idea to put it in the SNZ rule book, rather than just make it up as it suits along the way then it would look like a good call and not a bad one. |
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Post by keyboardracer on Jan 26, 2013 7:54:36 GMT 12
Yeah depends which rule book aye boner87. Would be a good idea to put it in the SNZ rule book, rather than just make it up as it suits along the way then it would look like a good call and not a bad one. Maybe they could make a smaller compact version for teams racing rules? This could have all the rule relevant to teams racing with more details on confusing areas. |
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