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Post by Roxcyford on Feb 15, 2013 11:05:46 GMT 12
why not have points from 1st down to 8th then it will be a battle right to the end of each race.  |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 15, 2013 12:37:49 GMT 12
why not have points from 1st down to 8th then it will be a battle right to the end of each race. Because that encourages everyone to flag race and avoid contact so that they can finish and pick up some points. Which is the opposite of what we all go to see. |
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Post by worldno1 on Feb 15, 2013 22:50:32 GMT 12
have had many decasions over the last few days with people over this and reckon this
make it first across the line wins! and score the first 3 or 4 cars only, so that if there is a tie then the points will come into play, but by only scoring the first 3 or 4 cars then teams should not really make there whole team run because there is not really point in that
(if ya get whati mean) lol
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Post by BarryB on Feb 15, 2013 23:04:51 GMT 12
I don't believe you can make it "first across the line" then use points as a back up only if necessary. You're either racing for first across the line or you're racing for points.
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Post by mcfly on Feb 16, 2013 6:44:46 GMT 12
I don't believe you can make it "first across the line" then use points as a back up only if necessary. You're either racing for first across the line or you're racing for points. Rubbish. Why not. The goal is to win. With the 12 team 4 group set up the number of wins a team has should be the only deciding factor. In the other formats the number of wins should be the first criterior, and points should only come in to play when comparing teams with the same number of wins. In this scenario a team with 2 narrow wins would be (as they should be!) placed ahead of a team with 1 win/1 loss. |
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Post by SpeedwayKing on Feb 16, 2013 18:46:44 GMT 12
I don't mind the points/format but maybe change finals nights format a bit like:
Note; 1-8 denotes qualifying position
Quarterfinals
QF1: 1 v 4
QF2: 2 v 3
QF3: 5 v 8
QF4: 6 v 7
Semi-Finals
SF1: QF1 W v QF4 W
SF2: QF2 W v QF3 W
7th/8th Playoff
QF1 L v QF4 L
5th/6th Playoff
QF2 L v QF3 L
3rd/4th Playoff
SF1 L v SF2 L
Final
SF1 W v SF2 W
Just my opinion
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Post by BarryB on Feb 17, 2013 8:25:25 GMT 12
I don't believe you can make it "first across the line" then use points as a back up only if necessary. You're either racing for first across the line or you're racing for points. Rubbish. Why not. The goal is to win. With the 12 team 4 group set up the number of wins a team has should be the only deciding factor. In the other formats the number of wins should be the first criterior, and points should only come in to play when comparing teams with the same number of wins. In this scenario a team with 2 narrow wins would be (as they should be!) placed ahead of a team with 1 win/1 loss. In the 12 team, 4 group format it would usually work just fine......it's impossible for more than one team to win 2 races in their group. But where all 3 teams win and lose against each other, I'm not convinced you can suddenly, at the end of the night, go back to the points that you weren't actually using. It needs to be decided on the race track, not in the officials box and preferably not via countback. Sadly, however, it's probably about the only way if you were going to use that scenario. Otherwise you could be requiring a whole bunch of run-off, and that's not really practical either. The HB situation this season did show up an apparent anomaly, but the secret is not just to win. You have to win well. Nelson put pressure on themselves in race one by only scoring 110 pts. That meant they had to win and win big against HB. That obviously had to take risks, risks that didn't pay off, and HB won the race. Had it been only wins, Nelson could have raced differently and the result could have been different. I'm not sure the rules need to be changed because of one team in one year......or maybe they do? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 17, 2013 8:31:01 GMT 12
I don't mind the points/format but maybe change finals nights format a bit like: Note; 1-8 denotes qualifying position Quarterfinals QF1: 1 v 8 QF2: 2 v 7 QF3: 3 v 6 QF4: 4 v 5 Semi-Finals SF1: QF1 W v QF4 W SF2: QF2 W v QF3 W 7th/8th Playoff QF1 L v QF4 L 5th/6th Playoff QF2 L v QF3 L 3rd/4th Playoff SF1 L v SF2 L Final SF1 W v SF2 W Just my opinion It's a well structured idea, but do teams and fans want a team from as low as 8th knocking out the #1 qualifier at the beginning of night 2? The NRL used a siimlar system excepting the two top qualifiers had a 2nd life. We can't really do that, and the NRL has just changed their system to favour the top qualifiers even more than previously. All ideas are certainly worth considering however...... |
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Post by penman on Feb 17, 2013 16:08:04 GMT 12
I believe the only points that should be awarded is for a win then the rest should be on eliminations, rolls, putting cars up the walls and maybe even spins. Yes i go to teams for the carnage and i love it. watching 2 teams flag race just aggrivates me. i do agree that there is skill in flag racing at teams as you still have to avoid and pass the other team blockers,pete rees showed us that last year. Every driver enters teams knowing whats instore and thats the hit i would just like to see more of it. Absolutely impossible to judge and implement, especially the spins. It would become like judging in boxing, an absolute joke. Even the rolls - what happens when one Welly car rolls his own team mate? Would be like an own goal in football wouldn't it Barry? They count..... So, rather than award points to one team for a roll, how about taking them away from the team that gets rolled (or rolls themselves)? Unfortunately for some teams at this year's event, they may have finished with a negative points total. Although I'm not sure this newly proposed idea has all the correct pieces in place, there is merit in proposing new ideas. |
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Post by bandit91i on Feb 18, 2013 7:52:46 GMT 12
Would it make much difference if you only awarded points for maybe the 1st 3 finishers? more emphasis on blocking when you are down on laps,more aimed at 1st across the line with 100 points 1st,2nd 30,3rd 15,there could be still teams tied on points but with 13 teams its probably hard to avoid that,if more than 4 teams win both races maybe go to a top 6 format with more teams races on the 2nd nite ;D its going to take more than changing points to stop the panthers!
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Post by penman on Feb 18, 2013 8:31:33 GMT 12
Would it make much difference if you only awarded points for maybe the 1st 3 finishers? more emphasis on blocking when you are down on laps,more aimed at 1st across the line with 100 points 1st,2nd 30,3rd 15,there could be still teams tied on points but with 13 teams its probably hard to avoid that,if more than 4 teams win both races maybe go to a top 6 format with more teams races on the 2nd nite ;D its going to take more than changing points to stop the panthers! None of this has been about stopping the Panthers. it's not always about the Panthers Bandit. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 18, 2013 8:52:54 GMT 12
Would it make much difference if you only awarded points for maybe the 1st 3 finishers? more emphasis on blocking when you are down on laps,more aimed at 1st across the line with 100 points 1st,2nd 30,3rd 15,there could be still teams tied on points but with 13 teams its probably hard to avoid that,if more than 4 teams win both races maybe go to a top 6 format with more teams races on the 2nd nite ;D its going to take more than changing points to stop the panthers! None of this has been about stopping the Panthers. it's not always about the Panthers Bandit. Of couse it's always about the Panthers ;D |
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Post by Crow on Feb 18, 2013 11:36:09 GMT 12
I don't mind the points/format but maybe change finals nights format a bit like: Note; 1-8 denotes qualifying position Quarterfinals QF1: 1 v 4 QF2: 2 v 3 QF3: 5 v 8 QF4: 6 v 7 Semi-Finals SF1: QF1 W v QF4 W SF2: QF2 W v QF3 W 7th/8th Playoff QF1 L v QF4 L 5th/6th Playoff QF2 L v QF3 L 3rd/4th Playoff SF1 L v SF2 L Final SF1 W v SF2 W Just my opinion You need to try and stay away from more than two teams races per team per night. There can be far too much damage to fix and makes it too hard for crews so more cars won't make it back out of the gate for the next race |
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