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Post by my2cents on Feb 10, 2014 15:33:55 GMT 12
Hi Tim.
My question comes form the Wanganui V Manawatu Superstock teams race in Palmerston North over the weekend (Not the race itself but what could have been).
If no cars manage to cross the finish line after completing the allocated number of laps Do the results go back to find the car that has completed the highest number of laps and they become the winner. Or is there no points for either team as all cars are DNF, as part of the tactics is to stop the other team from finishing.
This question had the Motel split 50/50 and discussion went on late into the night.
P.S If you are going to give some sort of PC answer or say its up to the promoter what would be your personal preference
Many Thanks
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Post by evodl3 on Feb 10, 2014 18:45:25 GMT 12
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410cowboy asked:-
How ever my question is how come a minisprint that gets pushed out the gate to start his mot
what or gets put to the infield but yet a car that stops on the track and cant start gets a push and is allowed to race???
Lunchbox answered this but again for confirmation - There are two relevant rules, both of which confirm that what you saw is as per the rules. Stop on the track and you can get a push (if the Clerk of the Course allows it as the venue will be under their control at the time, not the Referee).
T10-4-21(c) Self Starter: Must be fitted and operational. All cars must leave pits under own power.
R10-5-5 Vehicles must be running within one lap of receiving the push off signal.
R10-5-6 Minisprints and Modified Sprints: The above rule does not apply and vehicles must leave the pits under their own power.
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Thanks for answering this Tim and lunchboxs . I have had a talk to some drivers about this , This is how we see the rule
T10-4-21(c) Self Starter: Must be fitted and operational. (starters must work whether it is in pits or on the race track) ..... 2nd part of the rule . All cars must leave pits under own power.
except if the car was involved with a crash or spun to avoid the crash he can then get a push start using the rule
OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE
R10-5-37 (b) during red light race suspension
(ii) to untangle, restart or push start the vehicle if it was involved in the incident
so R10-5-5 Vehicles must be running within one lap of receiving the push off signal. can only be used if the car had a crash then R10-5-37 can be used then .
would be good to hear what you come up with Tim as i have voiced this at a drivers meeting and they have not answered it ..
and Thanks again
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Post by old2nz on Feb 11, 2014 21:10:54 GMT 12
Hi Tim. My question comes form the Wanganui V Manawatu Superstock teams race in Palmerston North over the weekend (Not the race itself but what could have been). If no cars manage to cross the finish line after completing the allocated number of laps Do the results go back to find the car that has completed the highest number of laps and they become the winner. Or is there no points for either team as all cars are DNF, as part of the tactics is to stop the other team from finishing. This question had the Motel split 50/50 and discussion went on late into the night. P.S If you are going to give some sort of PC answer or say its up to the promoter what would be your personal preference Many Thanks the Finish line ELS loop is not located where the flagman stands at PN. It is actually positioned approx 5 meters before the flagman. Bevan Humperies had actually finished but the flagman didn't realize this until he had traveled a few times back and forward. Adam Joblin must have been only meters away from finishing, unlucky so 10 laps completed race over! |
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Post by jimmyj on Feb 18, 2014 19:04:07 GMT 12
Has Tim given up on us lot ??
No replies for ages or is he crook ??
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Post by midway on Feb 22, 2014 11:22:29 GMT 12
Has Tim given up on us lot ?? No replies for ages or is he crook ?? He could be scratching his head ,why did i start this .  |
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Post by jimmyj on Feb 23, 2014 9:36:18 GMT 12
What is happening about NZ TQ champ results and is a disqualification likely ??
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Post by tank11 on Feb 23, 2014 13:28:59 GMT 12
What is happening about NZ TQ champ results and is a disqualification likely ?? What's on the up, Jimmy? |
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Post by hoju on Feb 23, 2014 18:00:04 GMT 12
Tim, having sent Speedway Nz emails in the past asking how to get involved and expressing interest in training to become a steward or referee I never received a response. How do you get involved, and do Speedway NZ recruit new officials ?? To be honest not getting a response was poor, however I love this sport and love being involved. Would be interested in hearing how you recruit or train ?? Thanks Matt
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Post by Devilracer on Feb 23, 2014 18:39:37 GMT 12
When is SNZ going to start vetting tracks and getting tougher on who gets what championships. Drivers spend a lot of money on cars these days and often get a raw deal and pi$$ poor tracks and racing.
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 27, 2014 7:28:05 GMT 12
What is happening about NZ TQ champ results and is a disqualification likely ?? Any word on this & what the circumstances are or problem seems to be? |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 27, 2014 7:30:26 GMT 12
What is happening about NZ TQ champ results and is a disqualification likely ?? Any word on this & what the circumstances are or problem seems to be? On the open wheel thread |
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Post by gwilly3 on Feb 27, 2014 11:28:51 GMT 12
Tim, What a fantastic opportunity. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to have questions answered. I am sure you are aware of some of the interesting calls that competitors and spectators alike have been submitted to at Western Springs this season- rule changes (during a meeting),a lack of rule knowledge and rulings depending on who you are, personal politics to almost a corruption level. Unfortunately your officials at Western Springs made fools of themselves with competitors and spectators with decisions that were made over the timetable and programme of events,racing incidents and lack of professionalism in driver meetings. They were a laughings stock amongst the visiting Americans. Under any other sporting organisation the lack of performance would be answerable to and penalised. A culture that has been escalating is the establishment of the “fear factor” - speak up and you will pay the price.This has been evident in some of the biased decisions that have been made by officials on and off the track. Different rules for different folks. Some incidents have not even been reported to Speedway New Zealand for particular people but same incidents are heavily penalised for others. A vote of no confidence has already been expressed by competitors at one meeting. I acknowledge that sometimes decisions are called wrong on the spot, but the occasional has now become the regular. I believe that new young blood needs to be injected into Western springs. There comes a times when old head experience becomes confused and forgetful and too many personal vendettas have mounted up over the years that effect calls made. I am sick of hearing “they are volunteers”. The amount of money invested by competitors and sponsor alike deserves better. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN: 1. Rotate your blue shirts between venues and start blooding the new breed. 2. 2 paid officials at each track that have to stand up and be accountable for their decisions and risk release (demotion) if they are not up to the job. (e.g. like NRL refs). IS THIS UNREASONABLE  Peter Gwilliam |
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Post by my2cents on Mar 4, 2014 16:06:48 GMT 12
OK ask me anything........Where are you |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 16:54:50 GMT 12
Watching a recent episode of "The Dirt", it's hard not to notice the volume of drivers who are well over the pole line and making passes.
Are there a set of different racing rules at Western Springs, or the officials too lax about enforcing the fact the green stuff is the infield and the brown stuff is the track?
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Post by teamkaos on Mar 13, 2014 7:22:01 GMT 12
Watching a recent episode of "The Dirt", it's hard not to notice the volume of drivers who are well over the pole line and making passes. Are there a set of different racing rules at Western Springs, or the officials too lax about enforcing the fact the green stuff is the infield and the brown stuff is the track? People get relegated all the time for passing on the grass at the Springs, although I think the shape of the track sucks the cars towards the pole line more so than other tracks, but could be wrong, would have to ask the drivers. |
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Post by jimmyj on Mar 14, 2014 16:20:44 GMT 12
Totally depends on who you are  |
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Post by midway on Mar 15, 2014 12:42:30 GMT 12
This poor chap ,deserves a pay rise ,or has he collected his redundancy and buggered off ,to a nice peacefull sat night track where the good racers have no gripes ,and shout a beer afterwards .
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Post by TimSOZ on Mar 20, 2014 19:51:16 GMT 12
OK back into this!
Percy asked:-
At the 2013 AGM a remit was passed opening up membership of Speedway New Zealand.
C5 MEMBERSHIP
e) General Members: Any individual or entity who by virtue of their interest and contribution to the general aims of the organisation may apply to be a member of SNZ. They do not have voting rights or speaking rights at any Annual or Special General Meeting.
This seems to have been the biggest kept secret of the year. I spend more time than most scanning this forum and Speedway New Zealand correspondence and I have heard very little promotion of this option.
To add to this the online option to join the organisation is clearly tailored towards a competitor, not the type of member envisaged by the remit.
So my question is given the membership provided a strong mandate to the board to go ahead with this option why has the board been so inactive in promoting this membership option?
What we've focussed on is providing value for the membership, which will grow as we proceed down the path of creating partnerships with companies that are interested in doing business with us. Bluebridge and Steel & Tube are on board, which gives the potential to provide benefits far in excess of the $40 membership fee, and we are working with one other organisation at the moment. Watch this space.
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Post by TimSOZ on Mar 20, 2014 20:23:22 GMT 12
jimmyj:-
What is the point of becoming a member if you have no rights to vote or anything apart from giving them a donation
Like every club at the a g m as a member you should have the right to put forward a motion and if enough people agree have a vote
Two reasons:-
1) A non-competitor can now have as many rights within the orgnaisation as a competitor, other than not being able to be the one competitor delegate from a track at the AGM
2) You can gain significant value for your membership fee.....eg by saving more than $40 on one ferry crossing, or one purchase at Steel & Tube
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Post by TimSOZ on Mar 20, 2014 20:26:15 GMT 12
jimmyj again:-
Why does Jonathon Allard get dispensation to use the number O a when he is racing in NZ the whole year practically And why does it have A not USA??
It clearly states in the rule book it is not to be used ..WHY
It also clearly states in the rulebook that the Board can give dispensation from the rules and regulations, whch they do occasionally. Jonathan put up a good case a number of years ago, and has been allowed to run the number since....except when he was 1NZ
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