The punishment doesn't fit the crime.........
Feb 8, 2014 7:25:41 GMT 12
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Post by BarryB on Feb 8, 2014 7:25:41 GMT 12
When a player is sent from the feild in a Rugby match it's 1 from a team of 15 = 6.66% of the team is gooooone.
When a player is sent from the feild in a League match it's 1 from a team of 13 = 7.69% of the team is gooooone.
When a player is sent from the feild in a Soccer match it's 1 from a team of 11 = 9.19% of the team is gooooone.
When a driver is sent infeild in a Superstock Teams race it's 1 from a team of 4 = 25% of the team is gooooone (and 50% in one case last night).
Last night at Palmerston North it was nothing short of farcical, IMHO.
And look what a Rugby, League or Soccer player has to do to be sent off? I saw nothing akin to a straight-arm head-high tackle, stomping or kick to the face last night. And yet Superstock teams were losing 25% and even 50% of their squad at the hands of officials!! For offences worthy of? Well you make the call. The punishment certainly didn't fit the crime, once again IMHO.
Scott Joblin appeared to get bumped to the grass, came back on track and bump another car in the first lap jostle. Nobody was spun, nobody was walled, nobody was damaged, but within 300 metres the race was farcically red-lighted (just like a Western Springs "noise caution") and Joblin was red carded.
Scott Miers indiscretion looked marginally worse, but worthy of a second sending off? No way!!! (although in another thread it suggests Miers was pulled off for a red light on his in car camera?)
Kerry Podjusrky? Was he really pinged for reversing out of a wall situation and (maybe even accidentally) gently tapping an opposition car passing through on the infield? Another joke call at first glance.
It had to be a joke, right? All three of them? I was dreaming, delerious on my cocktail of presciption drugs perhaps?
A couple of the other "sendings" I cannot comment on due to either the live stream being down at the time or the cameras pointing in the wrong direction.
I thought it was a good idea to have extra sets of SNZ eyes stationed high up around the track this year, but have to wonder now whether we're in danger of totally destroying speedway's greatest spectacle. A sending off is a permanent and major offence with no recourse. The three offences listed above were worth nothing more than a warning, or perhaps a 10 point penalty? Maybe we need points penalties that can be applied after the race? Not relegations or promotions, just a points penalty given to a team that has committed a minor indiscretion?
So do we really need a different penalty system? I think last night proved we do, beyond a shadow of a doubt. The flow of the meeting was destroyed and players were sent off for things worthy of, at best, a free kick. It's difficult to have a sin bin in Stockcars, I can understand after-race penalties don't always address each and every situation, but last night we had cars being sent infield where there were no situations really requiring redressing from what I could see!! We need to do better!!
If a car is seriously damaged or taken out of the race by an illegal move, should the offending car be immediately removed from the race? Most definitely. Should Joblin, Miers and Podjursky (at least those three) have been removed from their races last night? Did their and therefore their team's punishment fit the crime? I'm interested to hear what others saw, and think.......
EDIT; It has been pointed out to me, and quite rightly so I suspect, that after years of complaints over inaction by referees over infringements in teams racing, a decision was made to be tougher on those that infringed. Enforce the rules to the letter of the law, of which I'm sure they were told at drivers briefing (of which I always attend but am not there this year). And this being the first year of this new-look refereeing, maybe it's unfair of me to criticize the refs too much for decisions made? Maybe it's the latest teams racing rules that have gone a little too far? And maybe the drivers needed time to adjust, and didn't do a very good job of adjusting last night? I'm still against cars being pulled from the track for very minor offences (when we're only talking 4 car teams), but if all drivers are aware of changes to the way things are going to be policed, yes they too need to take on board some of the responsibility for what happened last night. Maybe the rules will need another fine tuning after this weekend? And maybe I'm just grumpy that I'm not down there for the first time in years.......
Barry B
When a player is sent from the feild in a League match it's 1 from a team of 13 = 7.69% of the team is gooooone.
When a player is sent from the feild in a Soccer match it's 1 from a team of 11 = 9.19% of the team is gooooone.
When a driver is sent infeild in a Superstock Teams race it's 1 from a team of 4 = 25% of the team is gooooone (and 50% in one case last night).
Last night at Palmerston North it was nothing short of farcical, IMHO.
And look what a Rugby, League or Soccer player has to do to be sent off? I saw nothing akin to a straight-arm head-high tackle, stomping or kick to the face last night. And yet Superstock teams were losing 25% and even 50% of their squad at the hands of officials!! For offences worthy of? Well you make the call. The punishment certainly didn't fit the crime, once again IMHO.
Scott Joblin appeared to get bumped to the grass, came back on track and bump another car in the first lap jostle. Nobody was spun, nobody was walled, nobody was damaged, but within 300 metres the race was farcically red-lighted (just like a Western Springs "noise caution") and Joblin was red carded.
Scott Miers indiscretion looked marginally worse, but worthy of a second sending off? No way!!! (although in another thread it suggests Miers was pulled off for a red light on his in car camera?)
Kerry Podjusrky? Was he really pinged for reversing out of a wall situation and (maybe even accidentally) gently tapping an opposition car passing through on the infield? Another joke call at first glance.
It had to be a joke, right? All three of them? I was dreaming, delerious on my cocktail of presciption drugs perhaps?
A couple of the other "sendings" I cannot comment on due to either the live stream being down at the time or the cameras pointing in the wrong direction.
I thought it was a good idea to have extra sets of SNZ eyes stationed high up around the track this year, but have to wonder now whether we're in danger of totally destroying speedway's greatest spectacle. A sending off is a permanent and major offence with no recourse. The three offences listed above were worth nothing more than a warning, or perhaps a 10 point penalty? Maybe we need points penalties that can be applied after the race? Not relegations or promotions, just a points penalty given to a team that has committed a minor indiscretion?
So do we really need a different penalty system? I think last night proved we do, beyond a shadow of a doubt. The flow of the meeting was destroyed and players were sent off for things worthy of, at best, a free kick. It's difficult to have a sin bin in Stockcars, I can understand after-race penalties don't always address each and every situation, but last night we had cars being sent infield where there were no situations really requiring redressing from what I could see!! We need to do better!!
If a car is seriously damaged or taken out of the race by an illegal move, should the offending car be immediately removed from the race? Most definitely. Should Joblin, Miers and Podjursky (at least those three) have been removed from their races last night? Did their and therefore their team's punishment fit the crime? I'm interested to hear what others saw, and think.......
EDIT; It has been pointed out to me, and quite rightly so I suspect, that after years of complaints over inaction by referees over infringements in teams racing, a decision was made to be tougher on those that infringed. Enforce the rules to the letter of the law, of which I'm sure they were told at drivers briefing (of which I always attend but am not there this year). And this being the first year of this new-look refereeing, maybe it's unfair of me to criticize the refs too much for decisions made? Maybe it's the latest teams racing rules that have gone a little too far? And maybe the drivers needed time to adjust, and didn't do a very good job of adjusting last night? I'm still against cars being pulled from the track for very minor offences (when we're only talking 4 car teams), but if all drivers are aware of changes to the way things are going to be policed, yes they too need to take on board some of the responsibility for what happened last night. Maybe the rules will need another fine tuning after this weekend? And maybe I'm just grumpy that I'm not down there for the first time in years.......
Barry B