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Post by ricardo63 on Mar 9, 2014 8:10:16 GMT 12
Hi all.
Just finished watching the vids from 2 nights of excellent racing once again at the Teams Nats from Auckland.
Although I enjoy both Superstock teams meetings each year I rate the Teams Nats the better meting from the following perspective.
1- The fewer team’s works for me. Name one pony race from the weekend? i.e. there were no weak teams at all.
2- The format is far superior. 2 reasons.
a) As there are less teams the points are tighter as there are no weak teams to face as the draw for Palmy throughs up occasionally. i.e. a strong team might fail in the first race then gets a weak team in round 2 so letting them off the hook from a tight spot.
b) The opportunity of advancement from low placing’s on Friday to a chance of making the race for 3/4 is pants.
3- I would rather see fewer races but of high quality.
4- The addition of the final All In race is a great way to finish the weekend. Last chance to settle the score anyone??
5 - The track surface & shape means they are going a lot faster. You saw this year that teams were a lot smarter on how they raced due to the speed one hit & you may be out. A lot of smart takeout’s & not going for the do or die hit straight off the bat. This makes for better viewing but also gives the races a value of suspense. Plus, there is nowhere to hide at the Park.
There you go, that’s my view. Almost a free hit to Palmy lovers in retaliation I feel..........
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Post by mcfly on Mar 9, 2014 8:27:45 GMT 12
Hi all.
Just finished watching the vids from 2 nights of excellent racing once again at the Teams Nats from Auckland.
Although I enjoy both Superstock teams meetings each year I rate the Teams Nats the better meting from the following perspective.
1- The fewer team’s works for me. Name one pony race from the weekend? i.e. there were no weak teams at all.
2- The format is far superior. 2 reasons.
a) As there are less teams the points are tighter as there are no weak teams to face as the draw for Palmy throughs up occasionally. i.e. a strong team might fail in the first race then gets a weak team in round 2 so letting them off the hook from a tight spot.
b) The opportunity of advancement from low placing’s on Friday to a chance of making the race for 3/4 is pants.
3- I would rather see fewer races but of high quality.
4- The addition of the final All In race is a great way to finish the weekend. Last chance to settle the score anyone??
5 - The track surface & shape means they are going a lot faster. You saw this year that teams were a lot smarter on how they raced due to the speed one hit & you may be out. A lot of smart takeout’s & not going for the do or die hit straight off the bat. This makes for better viewing but also gives the races a value of suspense. Plus, there is nowhere to hide at the Park.
There you go, that’s my view. Almost a free hit to Palmy lovers in retaliation I feel..........
Just a couple of questions from someone who has never made this meeting live. Who out of Stratford, Wanganui, Wellington, Christchurch and the Poms are the weak teams you are referring to? Even IF you classed any of these teams as weak, is it still not better to have them there to pick up the experience needed move up the ranks? Are the cars really faster on Wacky Park than Palmy? |
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Post by superstock on Mar 9, 2014 8:32:20 GMT 12
I don't want to get into the whos better debate , but WP as a venue is second rate at best
and that's being kind. obviously no ones spent any money on it for years and it shows.
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2014 9:03:12 GMT 12
Just a couple of questions from someone who has never made this meeting live. Who out of Stratford, Wanganui, Wellington, Christchurch and the Poms are the weak teams you are referring to? Even IF you classed any of these teams as weak, is it still not better to have them there to pick up the experience needed move up the ranks? Are the cars really faster on Wacky Park than Palmy? The Poms would not have been part of the equation anyway but the others with the exception of Wanganui were the lowest scorers in their groups at Palmy this season. That's not to say they wouldn't have gone well at Auckland but probably a reasonable indication of where they're at this season. |
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Post by steelpanther on Mar 9, 2014 9:22:13 GMT 12
Agree Magor. For years now the Allstars have been justifiably perceived as one of the weaker teams and almost only there to make up the numbers but like you said it's probably where the aforementioned teams are this season. As for the venue, who cares that it's a dump, it's what happens on the track that counts IMHO and my $30 upper grandstand seat at WP this weekend was worth just as much as my $50 reserved seat at Palmy. I'm there to watch the racing and after the quality dished up the last two nights I wouldn't care if I was waist deep in sh*t watching. The track is awesome for teams racing and as many drivers themselves say there's no place to hide at WP something poor Shane Penn found out last night.
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Post by righturn on Mar 9, 2014 9:48:22 GMT 12
I do agree its about time they spent a bit of money on Waikaraka park esp when it produces quality teams racing. I look forward to teams natz more than teams champs just for that fact you can't hide at Waikaraka park ie shane penn, pete rees getting smoked by the young miers...
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Post by alloyplatypus on Mar 9, 2014 12:36:22 GMT 12
This season has been amazing for Teams racing, because quite literally anyone could have won, and most teams in the semi's at Auckland have won or lost against each other so far this season. I often think that despite less "apparent" planning, less prestige and less teams, Waikaraka teams is often better because each team has had more races and gelled by then. I think that the less teams also works there and am glad that they have dropped the idea of throwing in numerous stockcars to make up numbers.. quality over quantity.
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Post by chunkey on Mar 9, 2014 13:18:11 GMT 12
Just a couple of questions from someone who has never made this meeting live. Who out of Stratford, Wanganui, Wellington, Christchurch and the Poms are the weak teams you are referring to? Even IF you classed any of these teams as weak, is it still not better to have them there to pick up the experience needed move up the ranks? Are the cars really faster on Wacky Park than Palmy? The Poms would not have been part of the equation anyway but the others with the exception of Wanganui were the lowest scorers in their groups at Palmy this season. That's not to say they wouldn't have gone well at Auckland but probably a reasonable indication of where they're at this season. Based on Palmy teams champs results the Panthers would have been your weakest team heading into the Nats. That's based on there last results!! |
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2014 13:37:59 GMT 12
The Poms would not have been part of the equation anyway but the others with the exception of Wanganui were the lowest scorers in their groups at Palmy this season. That's not to say they wouldn't have gone well at Auckland but probably a reasonable indication of where they're at this season. Based on Palmy teams champs results the Panthers would have been your weakest team heading into the Nats. That's based on there last results!! Yes , but balance that against their winning history. I know they are a proven strong team , you know they are a proven strong team. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 14:43:31 GMT 12
why does it always come down to which is better? Palmy is what it is..the premier speedway event in the country across all classes...if I were the folks who do the leg work today i would be very pleased with myself and would be back down the club rooms for a beer and a slap on the back today with the good people round me not because Aucks is better than or not as good as Palmy but because they made the whole country sit up and see that B/s post like earlier ones here just arent relevant any more
WP is not a dump at all, when its full its awesome and when its empty its tree ringed and green.....the stand was built by the american forces during WW2....other than the colour of concrete and a rotting corpse of a car in the back corner of the grounds behind turn three, for a club run facility without a rugby union for suport or an embarrassed city council covering their Rces keeping the place up to scratch..ha..WP does pretty well...go and have a look across town when the flags are all gone and theres no half naked chicks advertising something or another...it aint too flash on monday morning down there or at tauranga or Palmy and its more of a facility than chch...so...SuperStock got green eyes today lol?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 14:48:55 GMT 12
Having stockcars as a support class on the final night is a great move too - Bruce, you should do this at palmy teams too! The boys and girls all get fired up after watching teams racing, making for a more eventful evening for all involved!
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Post by pnspeed on Mar 9, 2014 14:52:18 GMT 12
I don't want to get into the whos better debate , but WP as a venue is second rate at best and that's being kind. obviously no ones spent any money on it for years and it shows. Maybe no one has had any money for years to spend on Waikaraka and sure it needs a lot of money spending there. Some money has been spent there recently - did you not notice the new catch fence, the painted clubroom floors, the wiring to the light towers, the pot holes and drainage work, an operating sound system, etc so you SuperStock and Rightturn are more than welcome to spend some of your money at Waikaraka or even raise some money would, I am sure be greatly appreciated by the ASSCC. (Auckland Stock and Saloon Car Club.) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 15:03:17 GMT 12
Well said Bruce. Unfortunately some people don't realise the amount of time, effort, and money that is required to go into a venue to get it to, and keep it at, top notch. What some people may not realise too is that Waikaraka Park isn't a multisport venue, which I believe is in part how Palmy has such a fantastic complex.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 15:05:49 GMT 12
Having stockcars as a support class on the final night is a great move too - Bruce, you should do this at palmy teams too! The boys and girls all get fired up after watching teams racing, making for a more eventful evening for all involved! Percy's idea was good.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 15:18:13 GMT 12
Having attended both this year would have to say Waikaraka wins hands down this season....bigger hits, no drunk morons in the crowd and superb final $2000 all in teams race for cash!
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Post by pnspeed on Mar 9, 2014 15:29:56 GMT 12
I don't want to get into the whos better debate , but WP as a venue is second rate at best and that's being kind. obviously no ones spent any money on it for years and it shows. Maybe no one has had any money for years to spend on Waikaraka and sure it needs a lot of money spending there. Some money has been spent there recently - did you not notice the new catch fence, the painted clubroom floors, the wiring to the light towers, the pot holes and drainage work, an operating sound system, etc so you SuperStock and Rightturn are more than welcome to spend some of your money at Waikaraka or even raise some money would, I am sure be greatly appreciated by the ASSCC. (Auckland Stock and Saloon Car Club.) Oh! I forgot to mention the track surface, that doesn't come cheaply either, but we won't mention the wall. Anybody got a spare $30K ........? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 15:39:29 GMT 12
how much wall does 30k buy?
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Post by chunkey on Mar 9, 2014 19:07:53 GMT 12
Based on Palmy teams champs results the Panthers would have been your weakest team heading into the Nats. That's based on there last results!! Yes , but balance that against their winning history. I know they are a proven strong team , you know they are a proven strong team. I do agree Gordon they are a proven strong team and if I was a betting man my money would have been on them to win the Nat's. But what I was trying to say was if you went on performances at Palmy they had the worst record therefore the worst performing team prior to Nat's, Palmy Teams was a mare for them and it's great to see them bounce back. Congrats. |
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Post by sonic33 on Mar 9, 2014 19:26:16 GMT 12
I put money on them at Palmy to Jinx them. If they win it is a win win situation.
I support the Busters and every team that races Palmy. Very tongue in cheeck, they are such a great team with little weakness, and another great team full of people to take the places of the legends in a staged way.
The Panthers will be formidable for a long time yet!
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Post by bandit on Mar 9, 2014 20:00:53 GMT 12
I would think if small clubs like Greymouth Blenhiem Nelson etc all put in new walls years ago surely Auckland can.With the largest pop in the country this should not be a problem.
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