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Post by superstock on Apr 20, 2014 22:43:35 GMT 12
probably still fairly cheap compared to circuit racing.
but most cars look the same now ,no one really has to tame a bad car anymore,
im liking historic stockcars.
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Post by tank11 on Apr 21, 2014 8:50:28 GMT 12
$25k for 1nz stock car rolling is ludicrous when you could have bought my car with every thing in it that cost me well over $70 to build. is Brent 22s Hey Brent, Fair enough call but Im starting to wonder if people know the cost's of the stockcars these days? Most top stockcars on this site ready to race are $30,000 to $40,000 there is Probably about 10 ish in that price bracket atm? So you've singled out my race car Brent which is $25,000 ONO! rolling, with abosolutly everything including a big range of spares.So you are saying these cars priced at $30-$40k are worth it? because they have engines? for 10k for another Engine mine could have a new Holden and be the same price as all the rest, so go figure? You Built your superstock chassis I assume? so you would of cut down a huge amount of $$ when building your car. Were a Keith Gill is somewhere between 14-18k.(New I know).. Anyways but 1nz being Ludicrous? I think not have a decent look at the market. MCFLY
I agree with this statement. You know something has gone seriously wrong with the interpretation of "the intent of the class" and rules when a rolling chassis is priced at that level. It should be in the superstock class, not the "budget" clasSame with you , just look at the market, but i agree with you on the interpretation of "the intent of the class" , But its gone out of hand years ago, even before i started racing, but to keep up with the likes of Rees you have to spend abit of coin here and there and everything the stockcars boys buy these days are bloody exspensive, espically for an apprentice! Cheers This lot expect all drivers to build their own cars out of secondhand steam pipe, using tractor links and wrecker parts........... |
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Post by mcfly on Apr 21, 2014 9:15:16 GMT 12
$25k for 1nz stock car rolling is ludicrous when you could have bought my car with every thing in it that cost me well over $70 to build. is Brent 22s Hey Brent, Fair enough call but Im starting to wonder if people know the cost's of the stockcars these days? Most top stockcars on this site ready to race are $30,000 to $40,000 there is Probably about 10 ish in that price bracket atm? So you've singled out my race car Brent which is $25,000 ONO! rolling, with abosolutly everything including a big range of spares.So you are saying these cars priced at $30-$40k are worth it? because they have engines? for 10k for another Engine mine could have a new Holden and be the same price as all the rest, so go figure? You Built your superstock chassis I assume? so you would of cut down a huge amount of $$ when building your car. Were a Keith Gill is somewhere between 14-18k.(New I know).. Anyways but 1nz being Ludicrous? I think not have a decent look at the market. MCFLY
I agree with this statement. You know something has gone seriously wrong with the interpretation of "the intent of the class" and rules when a rolling chassis is priced at that level. It should be in the superstock class, not the "budget" clasSame with you , just look at the market, but i agree with you on the interpretation of "the intent of the class" , But its gone out of hand years ago, even before i started racing, but to keep up with the likes of Rees you have to spend abit of coin here and there and everything the stockcars boys buy these days are bloody exspensive, espically for an apprentice! Cheers Hi 971 Stock, thanks for the reply. I was not having a go at you or anyone else who wants to spend this sort of money on a stockcar, I was having a go at the fact that due to the way the rules are now you are 'allowed' to spend this sort of money, and as you quite rightly say, have to spend this sort of money if you want to run at the front. Being an apprentice, surely you would prefer to be able to run at the front of the field without spending the majority of you income to do so. Under the old rules this would have been possible. Stockcar chassis themselves are not that expensive to build (if not professionally built), its all the bolt on bits that cost the money, and this is where the rules have been relaxed with the consequence being inflated racing costs. Once again you are correct that this problem has been around for years. Peter Rees was not the first bloke to throw lots of money at the class, but to be fair Palmy is the region (if I remember rightly) where pushing the rules to the limit, and over, was started - the Vasey/Bones Burton 0 & 99p cars of the mid 90's come to mind here! You had to spend serious coin to beat the Rees's (and others), fair enough, but how much money will these and other guys have to spend to leap frog your car, and what area of the rules will need to be pushed to do so, and will the officials/car checkers have the skill, knowledge and the balls to put a stop to it where the rules are pushed too far? Just my thoughts! Cheers, |
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Post by mcfly on Apr 21, 2014 9:20:42 GMT 12
Hey Brent, Fair enough call but Im starting to wonder if people know the cost's of the stockcars these days? Most top stockcars on this site ready to race are $30,000 to $40,000 there is Probably about 10 ish in that price bracket atm? So you've singled out my race car Brent which is $25,000 ONO! rolling, with abosolutly everything including a big range of spares.So you are saying these cars priced at $30-$40k are worth it? because they have engines? for 10k for another Engine mine could have a new Holden and be the same price as all the rest, so go figure? You Built your superstock chassis I assume? so you would of cut down a huge amount of $$ when building your car. Were a Keith Gill is somewhere between 14-18k.(New I know).. Anyways but 1nz being Ludicrous? I think not have a decent look at the market. MCFLY
I agree with this statement. You know something has gone seriously wrong with the interpretation of "the intent of the class" and rules when a rolling chassis is priced at that level. It should be in the superstock class, not the "budget" clasSame with you , just look at the market, but i agree with you on the interpretation of "the intent of the class" , But its gone out of hand years ago, even before i started racing, but to keep up with the likes of Rees you have to spend abit of coin here and there and everything the stockcars boys buy these days are bloody exspensive, espically for an apprentice! Cheers This lot expect all drivers to build their own cars out of secondhand steam pipe, using tractor links and wrecker parts........... Hi Tank11. You should probably get to know the people you are talking about before you make statements like these! |
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Post by Superstock51p on Apr 21, 2014 10:11:04 GMT 12
At the end of the day everyone can ask whatever they want for there cars..... It's there right to ask what they want. It's up to the buyer to offer what they are prepared to pay for any car. If the seller accepts it sweet as you got a car if not itl sit there till the next offer.. Every motorsport cost a bucket load of $$. People moan about the whole price thing yes everyone wants to be competive for next to no $$ but the reality is you have to spend up and those who can't (myself included) running mid pack sneaking the odd good result should be still getting a good buzz still. Same story every year people questioning the pricing on cars. If you think a cars too dear offer them your price and hope they say yes or just go buy a car to your budget. Not going to gain anything by moaning about it..
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Post by midway on Apr 21, 2014 11:13:00 GMT 12
And of course the tax man may look at the business books and see that you havent made a profit after claiming expenses, Gst etc ,more so now than ever before .
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Post by 971stock on Apr 21, 2014 12:00:01 GMT 12
Hey Brent, Fair enough call but Im starting to wonder if people know the cost's of the stockcars these days? Most top stockcars on this site ready to race are $30,000 to $40,000 there is Probably about 10 ish in that price bracket atm? So you've singled out my race car Brent which is $25,000 ONO! rolling, with abosolutly everything including a big range of spares.So you are saying these cars priced at $30-$40k are worth it? because they have engines? for 10k for another Engine mine could have a new Holden and be the same price as all the rest, so go figure? You Built your superstock chassis I assume? so you would of cut down a huge amount of $$ when building your car. Were a Keith Gill is somewhere between 14-18k.(New I know).. Anyways but 1nz being Ludicrous? I think not have a decent look at the market. MCFLY
I agree with this statement. You know something has gone seriously wrong with the interpretation of "the intent of the class" and rules when a rolling chassis is priced at that level. It should be in the superstock class, not the "budget" clasSame with you , just look at the market, but i agree with you on the interpretation of "the intent of the class" , But its gone out of hand years ago, even before i started racing, but to keep up with the likes of Rees you have to spend abit of coin here and there and everything the stockcars boys buy these days are bloody exspensive, espically for an apprentice! Cheers Hi 971 Stock, thanks for the reply. I was not having a go at you or anyone else who wants to spend this sort of money on a stockcar, I was having a go at the fact that due to the way the rules are now you are 'allowed' to spend this sort of money, and as you quite rightly say, have to spend this sort of money if you want to run at the front. Being an apprentice, surely you would prefer to be able to run at the front of the field without spending the majority of you income to do so. Under the old rules this would have been possible. Stockcar chassis themselves are not that expensive to build (if not professionally built), its all the bolt on bits that cost the money, and this is where the rules have been relaxed with the consequence being inflated racing costs. Once again you are correct that this problem has been around for years. Peter Rees was not the first bloke to throw lots of money at the class, but to be fair Palmy is the region (if I remember rightly) where pushing the rules to the limit, and over, was started - the Vasey/Bones Burton 0 & 99p cars of the mid 90's come to mind here! You had to spend serious coin to beat the Rees's (and others), fair enough, but how much money will these and other guys have to spend to leap frog your car, and what area of the rules will need to be pushed to do so, and will the officials/car checkers have the skill, knowledge and the balls to put a stop to it where the rules are pushed too far? Just my thoughts! Cheers, Haha well its basically my whole pay packet every week , no lies... my mrs is not to happy weekly..  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 12:21:24 GMT 12
don't wanna go to far off topic here but there is no easy answer. Fans (well this one anyway) don't wanna particually go and watch 30 yer old cars wobble round the track. Is there really a huge problem at the moment? It hardly seems like the Stockcar class lacks numbers anywhere really.
I have heard ppl suggest all kinds of things to limit, or open up stockcars to more ppl from You must use a second hand chassis (I guess a superstock hand me down) to a limit on the amount you can spend on a car. No idea i've heard yet would create a more level playfield tho.
It seems to be a bit like politics there are some (fools) out there who think that the best way to make everyone more equal is to take everything off the "haves", whereas I am of the opinion that the best way is to make it easier for the "have nots" to become "haves"
The Robin Hood theroy only works in story books
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Post by tank11 on Apr 21, 2014 13:53:47 GMT 12
This lot expect all drivers to build their own cars out of secondhand steam pipe, using tractor links and wrecker parts........... Hi Tank11. You should probably get to know the people you are talking about before you make statements like these! Not getting at anybody at all Mcfly. This topic comes up nearly every year. (2014) Today's minimum wage is twice what it was 10 years ago(at least).(2004) And that was most likely twice what it was 10 years prior.(1994) Stock cars in '94 cost how much?($3500-5000)mostly self built? '04 $7000-$10000? More professionally built? '14 $14000-20000? Heaps are now pro built? Someone with old dirt track mags could correct the sale prices. |
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Post by percy on Apr 21, 2014 14:35:53 GMT 12
One thing I would like to see is a better definition of what a Stockcar is in the rule book.
T12-2-1 DEFINITION: A car designed for speedway racing where contact between vehicles is permitted.
Believe it or not that's the current definition of a Stockcar in the rulebook. Given that definition it is difficult to challenge any potential rule that may find it's way into the rulebook. With such an open ended definition Stockcars could end up being anything between a Streetstock and a Superstock!
For comparative purposes here is the definition of a Super Saloon.
T11-1 Definition
A Super Saloon is a custom built racecar based on a 2 or 4 door saloon car, designed and built using the drawings and specifications outlined in this section of the rulebook. It includes a spaceframe chassis covered with body panels (roof, boot, bonnet, side panels etc).
Far from perfect but a real improvement on the definition of a Stockcar.
I believe that our rule book is the key to containing costs in the Stockcar class. The rules for each class start with the definition and if that definition does not provide a full and accurate description of the class it is little wonder some classes do not fulfill their intended purpose.
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Post by Admin on Apr 21, 2014 15:01:30 GMT 12
Now if only the prices today were as they were in 2001, | Agrade Stockcar | Std Stockcar | A Grade Stockcar 29c
Holden V 8 - ZF Box- Quick Change Diff
Coil Overs All Round
Reliable Competitive Car
Some Spares
$11500 ono
| Standard Stock 55w,
Rover V8, coil overs all round,
Tony Mac design only 2 years old.
Proven strong reliable and competitive.
$9000 ono
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Ex Lee Drummond Scrapper Block Car Pipe Chassis, Holden V8,
Denco Pistons, Roller Rockers, CSL Cam, Torker Manifold,
Totally Rebuilt by Taranaki Motor Reconditioners (Larry Taylor)
Dyno Tuned by Dobson Autos, Holly Carb,etc etc,
Skinny Colson Auto, New Torque Tube, MSD Ignition,
Speedway Engineering Quick Change with spare ratios,
2 Spare Bodies, Spare Wing, Spare Bonnet,
Spare complete Motor (less Heads), spare stubs, hubs,
wheel guards etc etc , torsion front, coils rear,
Carrera Shocks, usual spares and crap
This Car has done aprox ½ season since complete rebuild and is only for
sale because of increasing work load
NO Dreamers need apply,
$12000.00 ono
| Standard Stock 23H
Holden V8
Strong and reliable car
Ready to race complete with spares and
FULLY COVERED IN TRAILER
$14,OOO.OO
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| Ltd Saloon
| Speedway Super Saloon
Only 10 meetings since total rebuild.
Pontiac with 383 engine Hillborne Injection etc
Mid mounted Auto speedway engineering quick change diff. Trick Brakes
Coil over front torsion bars rear. 5th Coil with spring rod Power Steering.
Complete with spares 10 wheels Tyres on Trailer.
Very competitive race car, winner of many races
$20,000 the lot.
| Ltd Saloon Ford Sierra.
Rebuilt 351 windsor,new paddle clutch,5.7 commercial,new radiator
3 speed HQ gearbox,new holley pump, new 5 point harness belts.
Too many spares to list.Tandam trailer with brakes.
$12000.00 ono
| CORVETTE SUPER SALOON 6S
Ex Grant Flinn Car
Ready to race
$8,500
| Limited Saloon:
Corvette , 355 Kuriger chassis , 9 inch diff
Phone for more details
$7500 ono complete
$5500 rolling chassis ono
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Post by tony27 on Apr 21, 2014 16:49:01 GMT 12
Going on your prices of the 2 sets of A grade stockcars & standard stocks above the cost difference between the 2 classes has never been anywhere near as great as people think it should be
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Apr 21, 2014 17:50:24 GMT 12
I went superstocks as it was going to cost me more to up grade my stockcar to the latest specs and that was all just to go faster about 10k, so seen a superstock for sale and it was a good car and we went and watched it and picked it up 3 weeks later. Haven't spent nearly as much on it this season as I did my stockcar last season and are loving it.
Yes I might not be a top runner and get 1nz in it but hey I never thought I would get 3nz in my stockcar but lady luck was on our side that weekend.
The money I put into my Stockcar I would never get back, sold it for less than half it cost to build originally.
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Post by spdwayorthehway on Apr 21, 2014 18:28:16 GMT 12
I see a pattern forming here and think its similar to most things.
Half of what it cost you, hanging onto it wont change anything either.
Correct me if I'm wrong but are there a lot of cars sitting in sheds not being used.
Seems to be a number for sale for quite some time,,,,,,, can only be price.
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Post by superstock on Apr 21, 2014 18:39:01 GMT 12
little bird told me of a stockcar in porirua which had been for sale for ages
recently sold for way less than half the asking price. buyer got a bargain
but obviously the seller met the market and was realistic finally
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Post by craige on Apr 21, 2014 19:30:24 GMT 12
little bird told me of a stockcar in porirua which had been for sale for ages recently sold for way less than half the asking price. buyer got a bargain but obviously the seller met the market and was realistic finally y alil birdie would be correct.......dave marshells old kuriger copy that he spent thousands on.recently sold to young mr clifton .son of rod clifton saloon car driver |
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Post by superstock on Apr 21, 2014 19:48:48 GMT 12
Yep. That's the one. Grandson of rod. Rods nearly 70
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Post by cookster on Apr 22, 2014 18:12:12 GMT 12
Come on know Highrevs don't be shy. Lets see some pics of the car
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 19:57:45 GMT 12
It will be on Macgors for sale pages in a day or so. Gotta go through the right channels ..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 20:38:35 GMT 12
Hey Cookster , the pics of my car are now up on the for sale pages [ black ex Warner car with chev in it ] , Cheers
And it don't look anything like the piece of sh.t 36c that I regretfully bought 2 years ago .
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