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Post by tank11 on Sept 25, 2014 23:28:39 GMT 12
Since when did Stockcar tracks have to provide over night parking for camper vans? Go park on the side of the road somewhere if you feel the club is doing you a disservice. It's a stockcar track not a camping ground. They don't have to at all , it's a valued added service aimed at accommodating regular speedway followers and encouraging increased patronage/revenue. It is only $100 for one person in the camper, so any others are free? |
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Post by chris13w on Sept 26, 2014 8:28:35 GMT 12
They don't have to at all , it's a valued added service aimed at accommodating regular speedway followers and encouraging increased patronage/revenue. It is only $100 for one person in the camper, so any others are free? Correct - the owner of the campervan needs to be an associate club member, that covers the whole van, we don't worry how many people are in the van. BTW - the cost of overnight security to the club is in the $400-500 sort of range, times 5 nights - it will take around 25 associate club memberships to even come close to covering the cost. Based on previous numbers we don't even have that many people staying over, so this is in NO WAY a money making excercise. And if I need to repeat again, we are NOT a camp ground. Looking forward to seeing you all in the New Year  |
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Post by BarryB on Sept 26, 2014 8:55:07 GMT 12
A lot of people certainly seemed to stay/camp overnight at the NZ Stockcar Champs in 2008/09, and it was a great atmosphere. Hopefully that can be recreated for the major events this summer. Circumstances mean I won't make either big meeting in 2015, but good luck to the club with both NZ titles. They've made a lot of positive progress in recent years, and will do both events justice.
Barry B
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Sept 26, 2014 11:24:17 GMT 12
... the cost of overnight security to the club is in the $400-500 sort of range, times 5 nights - it will take around 25 associate club memberships to even come close to covering the cost. Based on previous numbers we don't even have that many people staying over, so this is in NO WAY a money making exercise.
There's an easy answer - CANCEL your paid security. You don't need it.
At best, put a club member down there with a caravan and free access to the event.
I assume it's a knee jerk response to previous misfortune which you likely sought and got reimbursed.
I've never encountered such behaviour before and in stark contrast,
mostly it is considered that the over-nighters provide an excellent security service for the facility.
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Post by jj on Sept 26, 2014 13:26:09 GMT 12
My opinion is that speedway supporters are being penalized for the actions of the drivers who caused all the mayhem. Not only that what about all the people in the pits who watched these people vandalize the track and did nothing. It most certainly wasn't the speedway supporters who did it and yet they are the ones who are copping it. I am not prepared to pay $100.00 to stay there and in fact not even sure if I will even bother going to it.
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Post by beachboy on Sept 26, 2014 13:45:34 GMT 12
The privilege was abused so any frustration should be taken out on those that did the abusing not Wellington speedway. If a bussniess or property is damaged by someone for no real reason most owners would make steps to stop it from happening again, hence the security. A knee jerk reaction would be to stop any overnight staying at the track all together Wellington speedway hasn’t done that.
Also what is the issue with overnighting in a place where campervans normally overnight in Wellington instead of at the track?
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Post by Admin on Sept 26, 2014 14:14:49 GMT 12
The privilege was abused so any frustration should be taken out on those that did the abusing not Wellington speedway. If a bussniess or property is damaged by someone for no real reason most owners would make steps to stop it from happening again, hence the security. A knee jerk reaction would be to stop any overnight staying at the track all together Wellington speedway hasn’t done that. Also what is the issue with overnighting in a place where campervans normally overnight in Wellington instead of at the track? The privilege was abused by some from within the sport that were allowed to stay within the pits. The privilege was Not abused by those who support the sport and wish to overnight in the carpark. It's convenient to stay at the venue , saves some of the carpark crush leaving after a meeting and disturbing the peace at another location by arriving very late. It's also good to be parked up with like minded people , it's a social thing if nothing else and as Murray says we provide free security for the track. I don't think anyone has a problem with sending a few dollars the clubs way as we have done at Napier/Stratford/Rotorua and other tracks. Wellington's method of charging is the only thing that is an issue , not that they are charging. For myself if I did make it down there it would only be for the Superstock champs , I would be happy to part with $20 to park overnight and then do as I do usually and hit the road after night 2. For that one night I'm not prepared to pay $100 to park on a piece of grass. It's not a huge issue for me , I can drive a couple of km's and park for free. The only thing then is that Wellington doesn't get my $20. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 15:12:24 GMT 12
It seems the previous incident involving competitors still hits a raw nerve with some of the respondents in this thread and as Chris keeps saying they are not a camping round, but im with you on this MacGor, its for the atmosphere, the "birds of a feather flock together" thing...sitting round till the late hours (preferably in front of a small fire, or a well supplied gas bbq) shooting the breeze,cooking up the odd sossie and enjoying the people and the atmosphere...something it might be nice for the club to think about putting on in the future. Im pretty sure there would be few incidents if the whole scenario had some structure and the club were involved in organising it, instead of just leaving people to thier own devices. Ahh well maybe in the future. But one thing to add, its not the speedways responsibility to worry about the financial state of the motor camp up the road, they fly or die off thier own bat.. and the local stockcar club has the right to add as many money spinning opportunities as it can to entice the dollar bills out of the customers they attract for as long as they can hold the punters there, and you do that by keeping the punters on your property as long as possible before its all over. Its not what you got, it what you create! Ps its only my opinion...its not worth gettin all heated up over. Mike Jansen
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Post by pfloyd on Sept 26, 2014 15:23:53 GMT 12
as has been posted above by Chris 13w they are trying to ensure they are legally compliant. unfortunately this now also applies to security. by law if a person is providing property or crowd control security services they must be licensed. the ministry of justice is starting to get pretty tough on this these days and the fines are potentially very high
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 17:38:36 GMT 12
If I had the luxury of a campervan or motorhome, I'd be taking up the offer.
Wellington Speedway could have stopped all overnight stays following last years antics, but they have shown they are still willing to open up thier property and offer those who want to stay a great oppurtunity at a very reasonable price.
Hopefully the Wellington weather plays ball for the events, I hope to make the trek across from Nelson.
Good luck with the meets Chris, and well done for offering an extra service to punters that you dont have to.
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Post by Tapped on Sept 26, 2014 17:42:28 GMT 12
Not only what pfloyd says, but also the club will be aware the requirement of public liability insurance. The powers that be are very hot on the need for security to be trained and licensed.
Its a good thing that WSS is doing by opening up the grounds for campers, given the whaling and gnashing of teeth over the last incident - they could very well, just as easily, withdraw the option. Then I suspect we will have people lamenting, and throwing stones at WSS for not providing said option. They are a speedway club, and not a camp ground after all.
Good on them for the having the option, I am sure a few will take up the option. I would hope a few would load up the camper so as to spread the hundy over a few mates/matess' - that will save some hurt on the funds so close to chunakkah.
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Post by tank11 on Sept 27, 2014 8:40:37 GMT 12
With all due respect Gordon, but isn't the car park away from the track?
Would some of the over nighters walk the beat during the dark hours?
We all(most) know about the last incident(yes they stayed in the pits?), so taken into account I think the club is being reasonable.
As they say "to stay within the local bylaws", they are not a camp ground, therefore to stay at the track you need to be a club(associate) member.
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2014 9:52:28 GMT 12
With all due respect Gordon, but isn't the car park away from the track? Would some of the over nighters walk the beat during the dark hours? We all(most) know about the last incident(yes they stayed in the pits?), so taken into account I think the club is being reasonable. As they say "to stay within the local bylaws", they are not a camp ground, therefore to stay at the track you need to be a club(associate) member. The carpark is right beside the track as per most track set ups. There is no beat to walk. No beat up on the track either , just Wellington has decided to do something totally different and less accommodating that any other track that allows overnight parking. Good luck to them and their running of the championships. For a combination of reasons I now won't be there so really the overnighting issues no longer effect me. Mind you that applies to most comments in this thread I expect. |
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Post by petero on Sept 27, 2014 14:52:33 GMT 12
Personally I apprecaite that WSS has put an option up.
a little different price and method wise however can also see the logic to it.
They should know who is there over night, Rotora keep track of campers.
last years NZ Superstocks would have had 50 plus motorhomes and a great atmosphere.
as for the security, I suspect it may be more aimed at the after party activities within the grounds and a good bonus for the campers. The club still holds a liquor license and providing security for the big events makes sense.
The policy may turn some off however at least there is an option. The prefernce for many is to stay at the track.
those that want to save the money or not that fused on the social side of the event will alway stay elesewhere.
By pre-reggistering the club will also know in advacne how many vehicles to expect.
A few of us campers certainly appreciated being allowed to stay overnight for the NI Stockcars earlier this year, that being a start of th looking forward approach to this coming season and beyond.
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Post by beachboy on Sept 30, 2014 20:36:31 GMT 12
It seems the previous incident involving competitors still hits a raw nerve with some of the respondents in this thread and as Chris keeps saying they are not a camping round, but im with you on this MacGor, its for the atmosphere, the "birds of a feather flock together" thing... sitting round till the late hours (preferably in front of a small fire, or a well supplied gas bbq) shooting the breeze,cooking up the odd sossie and enjoying the people and the atmospheren Wasn't it the fire thing that caused all the problems? It seems most people want to do more than just park up and sleep for the night which is most likely the reason they don't want to go to a camping ground, most camping grounds and motels in the area will know there will be people arriving late at night during the big meetings so will expect some noise while people settle in for the night/s so the excuse of not wanting to disturb the peace doesn't wash I recon the Wellington club has the right to make sure it legally covers itself for letting people camp and light fires there, and have decided to pass some of the cost on to those that choose to. |
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Post by midway on Sept 30, 2014 20:56:38 GMT 12
It seems the previous incident involving competitors still hits a raw nerve with some of the respondents in this thread and as Chris keeps saying they are not a camping round, but im with you on this MacGor, its for the atmosphere, the "birds of a feather flock together" thing... sitting round till the late hours (preferably in front of a small fire, or a well supplied gas bbq) shooting the breeze,cooking up the odd sossie and enjoying the people and the atmospheren Wasn't it the fire thing that caused all the problems? It seems most people want to do more than just park up and sleep for the night which is most likely the reason the wellington club is having to pass on the costs to keep it all legal. Not as many problems as you have ,caused Beach Balls , one such nice gentleman on here has a full head of steam just about everytime you post ,but always keeps his tongue to the legal sense of words explained . |
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Post by tank11 on Oct 1, 2014 7:24:54 GMT 12
Problem is (and I just about choke on this), Beach boy is right. (oh I'm gunna be sick now)
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2014 9:29:46 GMT 12
Problem is (and I just about choke on this), Beach boy is right. (oh I'm gunna be sick now) No he's not . he's just trolling. The fire wasn't the problem it was the boozed up people in the pits that was the problem. Totally different breed to the overnighters in their motorhomes in the carpark. |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Oct 1, 2014 13:31:36 GMT 12
Stratford also has a no Camping Policy after some campers had a bonfire with tyres I believe.?
I assume this is still the case.
Where can a potential Camper find out the local rules as most seem to have nothing relating
to camping on the Club site?.[Rotorua has Camping Rules]
The NZMCA. have weekend rallies and don't require a Camping permit from a Council to stay at a School or Hall.?.
Could a discussion about this be added to a future speedway committee as this will not go away and as some
Motor Camps/Holiday Parks sponsor Clubs and quite correctly deserve patronage.
I thank Wellington for starting off this most needed discussion.
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Post by jj on Oct 1, 2014 16:41:58 GMT 12
Motorhomes and campervans were allowed to stay at Stratford for the New Zealand Saloon Car champs last season.
Lots of people who own motorhomes belong to NZMCA and there is a code of conduct within this organisation. I believe the public ie speedway supporters are being penalised for the drivers bad behaviour. I recall seeing an NZMCA rally being held at the Wellington Speedway Track earlier this year. Did all the people who attended that rally become associate members. I think not.
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