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Post by mattblack on Jan 3, 2015 22:49:32 GMT 12
Just had a message from the track about Chad being cut out. Hopefully not too bad, very sad to hear after such a good meet for him. Hope he is ok and also hope someone who was there could confirm what turn the hit was in. It looked to me to be turn 2 , I had a text that said it was turn two. The commentators went on about the hit being illegal but the over aggressive rule only applies to turn 1 and 3. Am I missing some piece of vital info that would help me understand why they made those comments. I too was under the same impression as you and was surprised at Grahame Barrs comments in the interview at the end about a cheap shot and his apparent lack of concern for chads condition. however I then listened to paul hickeys interpretation of the new rule and it put it in a different light, simply put, you can't attack a car into the wall ( whether this happened in turn 1 or 2 is debatable ) and from his point of view if chad had connected properly it probably would have been Grahame on the infield. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 3, 2015 22:52:44 GMT 12
Hope he is ok and also hope someone who was there could confirm what turn the hit was in. It looked to me to be turn 2 , I had a text that said it was turn two. The commentators went on about the hit being illegal but the over aggressive rule only applies to turn 1 and 3. Am I missing some piece of vital info that would help me understand why they made those comments. I too was under the same impression as you and was surprised at Grahame Barrs comments in the interview at the end about a cheap shot and his apparent lack of concern for chads condition. however I then listened to paul hickeys interpretation of the new rule and it put it in a different light, simply put, you can't attack a car into the wall ( whether this happened in turn 1 or 2 is debatable ) and from his point of view if chad had connected properly it probably would have been Grahame on the infield. Paul Hickey may have said that but the rule reads : Over-aggressive attacking is not permitted in turns 1 and 3 |
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Post by mordecai on Jan 3, 2015 22:53:55 GMT 12
Hope he is ok and also hope someone who was there could confirm what turn the hit was in. It looked to me to be turn 2 , I had a text that said it was turn two. The commentators went on about the hit being illegal but the over aggressive rule only applies to turn 1 and 3. Am I missing some piece of vital info that would help me understand why they made those comments. I too was under the same impression as you and was surprised at Grahame Barrs comments in the interview at the end about a cheap shot and his apparent lack of concern for chads condition. however I then listened to paul hickeys interpretation of the new rule and it put it in a different light, simply put, you can't attack a car into the wall ( whether this happened in turn 1 or 2 is debatable ) and from his point of view if chad had connected properly it probably would have been Grahame on the infield. turn 1 cheap shot maybe turn 2 cheap shot prob not
but what are the rules re run offs
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Post by Admin on Jan 3, 2015 22:54:17 GMT 12
I have since watched a video and the hit was after the apex of the corner making it a turn 2 attack.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 3, 2015 22:56:38 GMT 12
Not the best nz champs been to by fair stretch, combination of things. Result was foregone conclusion palmy 123 after first heat. Old man, sister and I picked one car to win each before heat one, got 1,2,4. Kinda sad to win, almost impossible now if not contracted to palmy. Only good for one club in the country that outcome, not that its their fault I disagree with this. Palmy had 10 out of 26 cars in the final. If the drivers from the other clubs wanted to prevent a Palmy win they could easily do so. 11 out of 26 I think it was once Barr won his Repechage, which means 15 from all other tracks combined. It'd be a pretty big call to expect drivers from maybe 7 or 8 different tracks, and two different Islands, to pool their resources to provide all of the benefits to just one. And even then, with the skill and experience of the Panther team members, 15 may very well not beat 11 anyway. Politics aside, I still don't think they "could easily do so". Barry B |
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Post by mattd on Jan 3, 2015 22:56:56 GMT 12
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Jan 3, 2015 23:29:54 GMT 13 monkeyboy said:
Just had a message from the track about Chad being cut out. Hopefully not too bad, very sad to hear after such a good meet for him.
Hope he is ok and also hope someone who was there could confirm what turn the hit was in. It looked to me to be turn 2 , I had a text that said it was turn two.
The commentators went on about the hit being illegal but the over aggressive rule only applies to turn 1 and 3.
Am I missing some piece of vital info that would help me understand why they made those comments.
Was pretty borderline turn 1 and 2, but he did line him up from well back. 2 Fire engines, couple of ambos and a lot of police cars heading past us on our way back to Wellington. I hope the (presumed) cutting him out of the car is just a precautionary to avoid too much movement for a potential back/neck injury or something. Don't want to speculate too much though, as much as we go there to see the big hits it is never nice to see someone badly hurt.
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Post by supastoka on Jan 3, 2015 22:57:58 GMT 12
Watching the video is definitely after the entry into turn 2 , so that would be a legal hit wouldn't it ?
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Post by BarryB on Jan 3, 2015 23:01:12 GMT 12
I have since watched a video and the hit was after the apex of the corner making it a turn 2 attack. I can see the yellow paint coming back out, this time to mark the apex of T1/2 and T3/4 on the walls. Barry B |
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Post by Admin on Jan 3, 2015 23:07:37 GMT 12
I have since watched a video and the hit was after the apex of the corner making it a turn 2 attack. I can see the yellow paint coming back out, this time to mark the apex of T1/2 and T3/4 on the walls. Barry B Exactly, A question I have been asking recently. where does a turn start and end? I would prefer that using a front bumper to slam someone in the wall was illegal , but that's not the rule at the moment. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 3, 2015 23:10:14 GMT 12
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Post by mcfly on Jan 3, 2015 23:16:52 GMT 12
Watching the video is definitely after the entry into turn 2 , so that would be a legal hit wouldn't it ? I would say definitely turn 2 and a perfectly legal hit. Back to the drawing board for the new rule. It could be debated whether this injury would have been sustained if the rule was not in place. Wont be long before superstocks are running to streetstock rules and the wall will be a total no go zone. I hope Chad is ok and the other emergency vehicles seen heading toward the track are not for him and keep going past. |
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Post by percy on Jan 3, 2015 23:17:04 GMT 12
4p goes straight ahead at the end of the straight to execute a hit on 3nz. That for mine is a straightline and that is exactly the type of hit that they are trying to ban. Not only for the safety of the driver being hit but for the safety of the driver executing the hit.
In my mind there is no doubt that this hit falls under the definition of over-aggressive attacking in turn 1.
I believe it is a deliberate ploy by the board not to define where turn 1 starts and ends so technicalities don't get in the way of obtaining a conviction on a hit that is intended to fall under the intention of the rule.
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Post by mcfly on Jan 3, 2015 23:20:00 GMT 12
I would prefer that using a front bumper to slam someone in the wall was illegal , but that's not the rule at the moment. This would be called super saloons would it not Gordon? |
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Post by boner87 on Jan 3, 2015 23:25:02 GMT 12
If you were looking really closely at the footage on the live stream 4P hits 3nz before they contact the wall. 4p then "broadsides" or hits with the side rail flush against the wall which from a little experience seem to hurts a lot more than a head on hit. To me it's a racing incident and in the heat of battle 4p has done anything to win.
In my opinion probably not the wisest way of going about it rules aside
Plus I do hope he is okay and can get back on the track cause that car is certainly fast
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Post by m8sr8z on Jan 3, 2015 23:27:44 GMT 12
Has some footage been uploaded already of tonight's racing? |
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Post by Admin on Jan 3, 2015 23:31:26 GMT 12
I spotted a short one on facebook
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Post by supastoka on Jan 3, 2015 23:31:57 GMT 12
If it is in turn 1 then in the screen shots Barr is exiting turn 2 at the point of contact either that or he is driving himself head first into turn 1
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Post by Kirkie Jnr on Jan 3, 2015 23:33:24 GMT 12
If the rule was 100% concerning driver safety I would have thought there would have been no exception for teams racing.
But seeing there is an exception for teams racing (unless I'm mistaken?) Then absolutely should be an exception for run offs.
Seems a bit a low blow to call it a cheap shot especially if the call itself is this marginal....As soon as the 3nz got out of shape exiting T4 Of course your gunna have lunge!
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Post by madnessgirl on Jan 3, 2015 23:43:30 GMT 12
I truly hope chad is OK.
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Post by Shai-tan on Jan 3, 2015 23:50:30 GMT 12
SOUR GRAPES Shai Tan .. Once again Palmy show why they finish at the top , not just 1nz , but 2 , 3 and 4 . A deserved win for Peter Rees , and a great group of club mates behind him.. No sour grapes, just seems to happen every time he wins a championship. Well deserved. |
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