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Post by percy on Feb 11, 2015 12:44:53 GMT 12
As aspect of the night 2 format has been on my mind since prior to the event so lets have a discussion on it.
The aspect of the format I'm referring to is the races for 3rd/4th and 5th/6th.
Currently the combatants for these races are decided via a rather arbitrary method, being lowest/highest point scorers from the semi-finals and 2nd tier semi's. In my mind a teams race should either be first across the line or points, not both. As it stands the semi-finals are first across the line for the winner and points for the loser.
Another aspect I don't like is that one of the semi-final losers does not have the opportunity to compete for seeding. Every year we get the situation where a group winner (based on a 12-team format) will not be seeded for the following year, yet a 2nd place group team will be seeded for the following year. How is that fair? At no stage during the format does the 2nd place group team prove it is better than the group winner.
My solution is fairly simple. Instead of having 3rd/4th and 5th/6th the two semi-final losers should each face a second tier semi winner for seeding. Translating that into this years format the Baypark vs Manawatu battle would have been for seeding #3 and the Auckland vs Hawkes Bay battle would have been for seeding #4. By the way, it doesn't matter who the 3rd seed is vs the 4th seed.
I believe my suggestion makes more sense than the existing format but I'm always open to other perspectives and ideas, so I'd like to hear what you the Macgors community thinks about my proposal.
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Post by Jeffery on Feb 11, 2015 14:24:11 GMT 12
I'm in agreement of this. I'd like to see the Loser of A v D or B v C face a different opponent than they did the night before though, however that could be worked out. ie eliminate Auckland facing the Hawkes Bay on both nights
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Post by steelpanther on Feb 11, 2015 14:42:05 GMT 12
Totally agree with your thoughts Percy...when it's "racing for a seed next season" it is adding more incentive.
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Post by MadPhil53a on Feb 11, 2015 15:47:18 GMT 12
Oh my gosh, a format of racing that Percy doesn't like! Wonders never cease
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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 11, 2015 17:13:53 GMT 12
What about a format Finals night so we get to see more teams racing. We go along to watch teams racing not Superstock flag racing. Why not have 12 vs 11. 10 vs 9 and so on. If there is a year where 13 teams enter then ur unlucky.
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 12, 2015 5:13:26 GMT 12
What about a format Finals night so we get to see more teams racing. We go along to watch teams racing not Superstock flag racing. Why not have 12 vs 11. 10 vs 9 and so on. If there is a year where 13 teams enter then ur unlucky. I agree with you that we go to watch teams racing but every year we get at least 1 team that has had some majors and cant front a team the last night so would make say the 11 v 12 run off a non event. Take Rotorua for example theres noway the would of been able to front a team after night one..Steiny & Lala badly hurt and im not to sure Vallance would of been up to another race that weekend after that king hit? I find the Superstock consolations very boring..i thought they used to put decent money up for these races? Now every year race 1 is so wet everyone ends up hitting the wall and its a boring slip n slide fest. Problem being theres no real incentive to race for 9 v 10 or 11 v 12?? |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 12, 2015 7:40:09 GMT 12
What about a format Finals night so we get to see more teams racing. We go along to watch teams racing not Superstock flag racing. Why not have 12 vs 11. 10 vs 9 and so on. If there is a year where 13 teams enter then ur unlucky. I agree with you that we go to watch teams racing but every year we get at least 1 team that has had some majors and cant front a team the last night so would make say the 11 v 12 run off a non event. Take Rotorua for example theres noway the would of been able to front a team after night one..Steiny & Lala badly hurt and im not to sure Vallance would of been up to another race that weekend after that king hit? I find the Superstock consolations very boring..i thought they used to put decent money up for these races? Now every year race 1 is so wet everyone ends up hitting the wall and its a boring slip n slide fest. Problem being theres no real incentive to race for 9 v 10 or 11 v 12?? Nick raced the consolations. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2015 7:45:42 GMT 12
I think the 12 teams races on Night 1 and 7 on Night 2 we have now is pretty good. If you think that's not enough you'd have hated it 20-odd years ago m8sr8z !!
Barry B
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Post by steelpanther on Feb 12, 2015 7:45:48 GMT 12
Are you sure Tank? I don't recall any Rotorua cars racing on Saturday night. Sorry but correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 12, 2015 9:41:17 GMT 12
Are you sure Tank? I don't recall any Rotorua cars racing on Saturday night. Sorry but correct me if I'm wrong. I also cant recall seeing any Rebels griding up for the Consultations but happy to be corrected? |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 12, 2015 12:20:58 GMT 12
Hmm, I'm sure I saw it on a video.
Looked on here but it wasn't, so must have been FB.
I think Nick started about grid 8 and Kev Roberts was in it as well.
Will try to track it down.
I may be wrong?
Wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by tony27 on Feb 12, 2015 12:29:39 GMT 12
More likely to have been the second glen eagles tank
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Post by numbum on Feb 12, 2015 20:16:18 GMT 12
I cannot understand why all teams do not race on night 2, the meeting could be split into 3 tiers for night 2 similar to the sevens this would also give all competing teams a seeding for the next year with a format agreed to give who is in which group doing away with contentious draws, it seems that no matter what the promotor does there are some who seem to think the draw is rigged. if a team drops out the teams below its seeding move up and if there is a new team it comes in as the 12th seed.
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Post by beachboy on Feb 12, 2015 22:46:13 GMT 12
As aspect of the night 2 format has been on my mind since prior to the event so lets have a discussion on it. The aspect of the format I'm referring to is the races for 3rd/4th and 5th/6th. Currently the combatants for these races are decided via a rather arbitrary method, being lowest/highest point scorers from the semi-finals and 2nd tier semi's. In my mind a teams race should either be first across the line or points, not both. As it stands the semi-finals are first across the line for the winner and points for the loser. Another aspect I don't like is that one of the semi-final losers does not have the opportunity to compete for seeding. Every year we get the situation where a group winner (based on a 12-team format) will not be seeded for the following year, yet a 2nd place group team will be seeded for the following year. How is that fair? At no stage during the format does the 2nd place group team prove it is better than the group winner. My solution is fairly simple. Instead of having 3rd/4th and 5th/6th the two semi-final losers should each face a second tier semi winner for seeding. Translating that into this years format the Baypark vs Manawatu battle would have been for seeding #3 and the Auckland vs Hawkes Bay battle would have been for seeding #4. By the way, it doesn't matter who the 3rd seed is vs the 4th seed. I believe my suggestion makes more sense than the existing format but I'm always open to other perspectives and ideas, so I'd like to hear what you the Macgors community thinks about my proposal. Yes they may well have beaten them on the first night. |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 13, 2015 7:00:16 GMT 12
I think that this & previous years format does give the best indication of who really came where especially when 1 group had 3 races that could have been the final any other year, if the best that the second placed team can do is 5th then what is to stop the loser of the first race saying we may as well pack up now & not damage our cars any more
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2015 9:25:14 GMT 12
.........then what is to stop the loser of the first race saying we may as well pack up now & not damage our cars any more Team pride Barry B |
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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 13, 2015 19:05:08 GMT 12
I think the 12 teams races on Night 1 and 7 on Night 2 we have now is pretty good. If you think that's not enough you'd have hated it 20-odd years ago m8sr8z !! Barry B Yes can't get better than Friday night teams race after teams race. It's not like I don't like it but do think after watching teams racing over the weekend the non teams races is abit boring. 4zfed does have a point with teams not being able to front a full team Saturday night ie Rotorua Yes it's pointless as of a result but if the teams are getting down the tail end I think more races/practice makes for better results. Maybe they bring in prizes for best stirrer or up the wall challage in constellation races. |
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Post by Superstock51p on Feb 14, 2015 14:14:03 GMT 12
Why can't they leave the top 4 to battle it out for the top 4 and make the second tier for the next 4 teams.. That way if your in the top 4 you stay there
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Post by tony27 on Feb 14, 2015 14:42:33 GMT 12
Often the team who finishes second to either of the finalists is a lot better team than at least 1 of the other pool winners, only 1 of the pool winners lose the chance of being seeded next year & they know that they need to win the first race of the second night to stay in
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