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Post by speedracer on Feb 25, 2015 18:04:12 GMT 12
I know it been spoken about before but is it time stockcars and super stocks should have to have full face helmets, I understand han's compliant helmets are legal but come on with the focus on safety shouldn't the open face be banned???
Happy to hear your thoughts
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Post by Go Slideways on Feb 25, 2015 18:09:53 GMT 12
If full face helmets protect the driver better than open faced ones, then I think it's simple really.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 25, 2015 18:20:35 GMT 12
If full face helmets protect the driver better than open faced ones, then I think it's simple really. How do they "protect" you any better than a open face helmet? |
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Post by jimmyj on Feb 25, 2015 18:32:45 GMT 12
Really Tank .I thought you were more up to it ,Ask Jamie MacDonald about the lump of clay that broke the chin piece on his helmet .
Just as well he always wears the best of racing equipment you can buy because he may not of had a chin now if it was not for the full face helmet //
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Post by bikeboy on Feb 25, 2015 18:37:42 GMT 12
the issue is there is no seperate saftey standard for open face helmets, they have the same stickers and standards as the full face helmets, they banned the motorcycle helmets buy banning the saftey standards that they were made to,
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Post by tank11 on Feb 25, 2015 20:50:47 GMT 12
the issue is there is no seperate saftey standard for open face helmets, they have the same stickers and standards as the full face helmets, they banned the motorcycle helmets buy banning the saftey standards that they were made to, Due to their FIRE rating. Most bike riders fall away from the bike, therefore if it catches fire, they are no where near it. We on the other hand are IN the car and have a helmet melting to our head. (worst case scenario) |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 25, 2015 20:55:36 GMT 12
Really Tank .I thought you were more up to it ,Ask Jamie MacDonald about the lump of clay that broke the chin piece on his helmet . Just as well he always wears the best of racing equipment you can buy because he may not of had a chin now if it was not for the full face helmet // Can happen Jimmy, maybe more so in those big fat tyre cars with huge horse power. Never had a problem in stocks, saloons etc yet. How many of these full face helmets have met a similar fate? Was told by Rex Neild years ago, why have all that extra weight on your neck? The only part of you that is not strapped to the seat, since then neck restraints have come in. |
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Post by bikeboy on Feb 25, 2015 21:18:40 GMT 12
the issue is there is no seperate saftey standard for open face helmets, they have the same stickers and standards as the full face helmets, they banned the motorcycle helmets buy banning the saftey standards that they were made to, Due to their FIRE rating. Most bike riders fall away from the bike, therefore if it catches fire, they are no where near it. We on the other hand are IN the car and have a helmet melting to our head. (worst case scenario) there is more than fire rating difference between motorcycle helmets and car helmets, car helmets tend to be heavier as thier test requires amultipule hit test (rolling and hitting seats/roll cages), where as motorcycle helmets have a one hit test, rider head to ground, |
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Post by boner87 on Feb 25, 2015 22:51:48 GMT 12
You could always run an open face helmet and bolt a mouth peak on like some competitors have. Full face only protects face more so up to personal preference. Hand devices can still be attached to open faces
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Post by Racerman on Feb 26, 2015 6:24:25 GMT 12
You could always run an open face helmet and bolt a mouth peak on like some competitors have. Full face only protects face more so up to personal preference. Hand devices can still be attached to open faces If you bolt a mouth guard to a Snell or SFI standards approved helmet, you then make the safety standard of that helmet null and void |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 26, 2015 6:30:27 GMT 12
Due to their FIRE rating. Most bike riders fall away from the bike, therefore if it catches fire, they are no where near it. We on the other hand are IN the car and have a helmet melting to our head. (worst case scenario) there is more than fire rating difference between motorcycle helmets and car helmets, car helmets tend to be heavier as thier test requires amultipule hit test (rolling and hitting seats/roll cages), where as motorcycle helmets have a one hit test, rider head to ground, Well aware of those too. Just pointing out a main factor. |
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Post by boner87 on Feb 26, 2015 8:43:15 GMT 12
You could always run an open face helmet and bolt a mouth peak on like some competitors have. Full face only protects face more so up to personal preference. Hand devices can still be attached to open faces If you bolt a mouth guard to a Snell or SFI standards approved helmet, you then make the safety standard of that helmet null and void Sorry I meant bolt a motocross style peak onto an open face. So then you have a full face(ish) but can run googles with rip and rolls |
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Post by jimmyj on Feb 26, 2015 17:01:33 GMT 12
So guys racing stock cars do they not have to wear a hans device or similar ??
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Post by tank11 on Feb 26, 2015 17:41:13 GMT 12
So guys racing stock cars do they not have to wear a hans device or similar ?? Some still use the old horse shoe(I think). I and my sons use Leatt Moto-R.(these are a car neck brace, NOt the motorcycle ones, they have seat belt holders) |
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Post by tripod1 on Feb 27, 2015 20:47:30 GMT 12
So guys racing stock cars do they not have to wear a hans device or similar ?? No, they don't. |
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Post by jimmyj on Feb 28, 2015 9:06:21 GMT 12
crazy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 9:37:31 GMT 12
Unfortunatly my friend it not that crazy, lots of it comes to personal preference, and cost also, And before everyone goes on about you cant put a price on safety etc etc,it is still a huge cost, problem can be how do you find out if a device is right or comfortable for you, you can race with it before you buy.yes you could borrow one but not that easy . one thing is while all these devices are good there is still nothing out there truly designed for our unique class of full contact stockcars and all the different angles of impact you can get . would be intrested to know how many of the injuries over the past few years have been wearing devices or just neck braces, I wear a horse shoe that my belts run through and a donut brace.i would like to maybe get one, or try one but still not sure what to try and cant really afford it. not a rant just my thoughts on it all |
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Post by bernie on Feb 28, 2015 12:56:55 GMT 12
I love full face helmets , I hate compulsory anything, because one size does not fit all.
I don't like hanz devices in stock-cars.Hanz devices were designed to protect against one type of injury, specific to very high speed non contact race cars that only turn left. But I believe in freedom of choice. You must do what you think is best for "you" in these matters.
I believe that on impact we need to slow the head down at a rate that doesn't bounce the brain of the inside of the skull. I believe that a well fitted full face helmet does the best job of this.The full base ring of the full face helmet sitting on a firm/hard neck brace I believe is the way to go. The head and helmet are allowed to move forward with the rate and distance of travel dictated by a good quality well fitted neck brace.
While open face helmets with well fitted neck braces are still better than hanz devices, personally I would go full face.
Any way, all that dust in your face, its not good for your skin.
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Post by mrt on Sept 17, 2015 21:47:19 GMT 12
Hi, so can someone please clarify that for a production saloon you can't use an ECE approved helmet anymore. Where's the best place to purchase helmets?
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