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Post by Pirate Racing NZ on Jan 29, 2016 19:36:02 GMT 12
Please excuse my ignorance, it is my first season. As of the latest speedway update, I will need to replace front and rear bumpers that I only made a year ago.
The rule change does not say immediately so when do I have to replace my near new bumpers?
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Post by handbag on Jan 29, 2016 20:13:27 GMT 12
Excuse my ignorance ..... bumpers for what?
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Post by Tapped on Jan 29, 2016 21:04:48 GMT 12
A saloon methinks.
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Post by busboy on Jan 29, 2016 21:07:19 GMT 12
saloon
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Post by Pirate Racing NZ on Jan 30, 2016 6:46:03 GMT 12
Yes a saloon but why should class matter to how long you have to make the changes?
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Post by hath on Jan 30, 2016 7:21:00 GMT 12
This is happening more and more, my opinion is all rule changes should happen at the end of the season unless it is an important safety rule change. Otherwise all it does it pi$%es everyone off and creates the need to spend more time and $$ changing something that doesn't really make naff all difference in the grand scheme of things. my 2c anyway.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 30, 2016 12:19:56 GMT 12
This is happening more and more, my opinion is all rule changes should happen at the end of the season unless it is an important safety rule change. Otherwise all it does it pi$%es everyone off and creates the need to spend more time and $$ changing something that doesn't really make naff all difference in the grand scheme of things. my 2c anyway. There's pro-active and re-active, which one would you rather they be? |
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Post by percy on Jan 30, 2016 13:27:18 GMT 12
Please excuse my ignorance, it is my first season. As of the latest speedway update, I will need to replace front and rear bumpers that I only made a year ago. The rule change does not say immediately so when do I have to replace my near new bumpers? Did you receive correspondence from Speedway New Zealand prior to the rule change and did you make a submission? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 17:57:56 GMT 12
Please excuse my ignorance, it is my first season. As of the latest speedway update, I will need to replace front and rear bumpers that I only made a year ago. The rule change does not say immediately so when do I have to replace my near new bumpers? The entertaining part is on a single page they use nominal bore for one bumper size, then overall diameter for other pipes. RHS specified by two dimensions? (Are they meaning SHS?) That gives me oh soooo much confidence in the thought process and clarity before finalising changes. |
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Post by mcfly on Jan 30, 2016 19:04:13 GMT 12
Please excuse my ignorance, it is my first season. As of the latest speedway update, I will need to replace front and rear bumpers that I only made a year ago. The rule change does not say immediately so when do I have to replace my near new bumpers? The entertaining part is on a single page they use nominal bore for one bumper size, then overall diameter for other pipes. RHS specified by two dimensions? (Are they meaning SHS?) That gives me oh soooo much confidence in the thought process and clarity before finalising changes. Does the RH of RHS not stand for rectangular hollow? If so then 2 dimensions are required, 3 if you include the gauge. |
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Post by Pirate Racing NZ on Jan 30, 2016 20:30:15 GMT 12
Please excuse my ignorance, it is my first season. As of the latest speedway update, I will need to replace front and rear bumpers that I only made a year ago. The rule change does not say immediately so when do I have to replace my near new bumpers? Did you receive correspondence from Speedway New Zealand prior to the rule change and did you make a submission? Sure did get it, why would I vote to change something I took three years to build all by myself with no sponsor, then why would I complain if I voted to change? As I asked at the beginning, when will I have to get this done? |
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Post by japsuper on Jan 30, 2016 21:04:33 GMT 12
Welcome to the world of speedway nz.
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Post by Yard on Jan 31, 2016 19:00:49 GMT 12
Did you receive correspondence from Speedway New Zealand prior to the rule change and did you make a submission? Sure did get it, why would I vote to change something I took three years to build all by myself with no sponsor, then why would I complain if I voted to change? As I asked at the beginning, when will I have to get this done? Jag man-- pick up the phone and ring your HVC at your track. He is the one who will tell you |
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Post by Pirate Racing NZ on Jan 31, 2016 21:07:00 GMT 12
Rodger wilco and thanks.
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 2, 2016 22:56:17 GMT 12
looking at the snz update i would ask,,what brought this on? does it make a difference?
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Post by Yard on Feb 3, 2016 18:13:59 GMT 12
looking at the snz update i would ask,,what brought this on? does it make a difference? It is not new---it comes about after a clarification was asked. Last season saloons and super saloons run under a dispensation for front bumpers etc. ( mounting points etc ) this season it is the words maximum /minimum that is in question. As for a difference--- depends who you speak too. "My thoughts"--- The lighter the less possibly some drivers would use them. (less damage- less cost) |
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 4, 2016 1:17:35 GMT 12
I saw the pictures of the mounting points for front bumpers and wondered wtf? it seems a very fickle little thing...who comes up with these finniky little rules...this saloon i brought is falling more foul of the rules each time someone asks a question and causes another change... set my mind at ease will ya? it wasnt some dude who drives a huge budget super trying to get one back on another dude who spends bucket loads of dosh too ...was it? Either way SNZ should remember the Saloon class is supposed to be the budget class and understand each time a change is made it costs owners more resources... in fact in the B grade which is what the Saloon class is...there should be room for a little lea way here and there on finiky silly nutse thats keep cars off tracks or costs resources ...all that really silly crap like the rear bumper mounting and the 50 ml rule..I gotta ask WTF why bother what difference does it make...why not have all those tight as rules for the real competitive racers up there in the A grade and relax a bit on the guys who have 10 grand out on the track...the money being put into this so called budget class, ( the B grade in everything other than name,) by some teams is way past the intention of the class and some victories must surely feel hollow, compete in the B grade with B grade resources and a B grade attitude or step up and race in the top flight with the resources and attitude needed there...im not pointing at any one and I know people who strongly disagree with my opinion and say the Saloon division is a division in its own right with its own characteristics... but that seperation arguement doesnt click in my noggin...to me Saloons and Supers are the same class, just A grade and B grade, lets try to enjoy the B grade with out all the A grade headaches over finniky nutse like this...I still dont know why snz are on this
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 6:21:14 GMT 12
I saw the pictures of the mounting points for front bumpers and wondered wtf? it seems a very fickle little thing...who comes up with these finniky little rules...this saloon i brought is falling more foul of the rules each time someone asks a question and causes another change... set my mind at ease will ya? it wasnt some dude who drives a huge budget super trying to get one back on another dude who spends bucket loads of dosh too ...was it? Either way SNZ should remember the Saloon class is supposed to be the budget class and understand each time a change is made it costs owners more resources... in fact in the B grade which is what the Saloon class is...there should be room for a little lea way here and there on finiky silly nutse thats keep cars off tracks or costs resources ...all that really silly crap like the rear bumper mounting and the 50 ml rule..I gotta ask WTF why bother what difference does it make...why not have all those tight as rules for the real competitive racers up there in the A grade and relax a bit on the guys who have 10 grand out on the track...the money being put into this so called budget class, ( the B grade in everything other than name,) by some teams is way past the intention of the class and some victories must surely feel hollow, compete in the B grade with B grade resources and a B grade attitude or step up and race in the top flight with the resources and attitude needed there...im not pointing at any one and I know people who strongly disagree with my opinion and say the Saloon division is a division in its own right with its own characteristics... but that seperation arguement doesnt click in my noggin...to me Saloons and Supers are the same class, just A grade and B grade, lets try to enjoy the B grade with out all the A grade headaches over finniky nutse like this...I still dont know why snz are on this Totally agree here - it costs more to run a top saloon than to run the average super sometimes too... mainly because if your driving a top saloon youre a target for certain a-holes who shouldnt even be in the class with the amount they spend week to week and thier "were stock cars" driving styles... usual suspects again... all the finicky rule do is push up the costs and force more people out or onto the sidelines - snz seem to have forgotten that thier job is to make the class affordable - theres no hiding behind "the drivers vote the rules in" when they are the ones who have final say anyway. isnt that what the tech committee is for? |
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Post by Yard on Feb 5, 2016 14:16:43 GMT 12
I saw the pictures of the mounting points for front bumpers and wondered wtf? it seems a very fickle little thing...who comes up with these finniky little rules...this saloon i brought is falling more foul of the rules each time someone asks a question and causes another change... set my mind at ease will ya? it wasnt some dude who drives a huge budget super trying to get one back on another dude who spends bucket loads of dosh too ...was it? Either way SNZ should remember the Saloon class is supposed to be the budget class and understand each time a change is made it costs owners more resources... in fact in the B grade which is what the Saloon class is...there should be room for a little lea way here and there on finiky silly nutse thats keep cars off tracks or costs resources ...all that really silly crap like the rear bumper mounting and the 50 ml rule..I gotta ask WTF why bother what difference does it make...why not have all those tight as rules for the real competitive racers up there in the A grade and relax a bit on the guys who have 10 grand out on the track...the money being put into this so called budget class, ( the B grade in everything other than name,) by some teams is way past the intention of the class and some victories must surely feel hollow, compete in the B grade with B grade resources and a B grade attitude or step up and race in the top flight with the resources and attitude needed there...im not pointing at any one and I know people who strongly disagree with my opinion and say the Saloon division is a division in its own right with its own characteristics... but that seperation arguement doesnt click in my noggin...to me Saloons and Supers are the same class, just A grade and B grade, lets try to enjoy the B grade with out all the A grade headaches over finniky nutse like this...I still dont know why snz are on this Totally agree here - it costs more to run a top saloon than to run the average super sometimes too... mainly because if your driving a top saloon youre a target for certain a-holes who shouldnt even be in the class with the amount they spend week to week and thier "were stock cars" driving styles... usual suspects again... all the finicky rule do is push up the costs and force more people out or onto the sidelines - snz seem to have forgotten that thier job is to make the class affordable - theres no hiding behind "the drivers vote the rules in" when they are the ones who have final say anyway. isnt that what the tech committee is for? Found this and it looks like the Tech Committee did have a say. (On SNZ site ). " The Saloon Technical Committee have had a look at these and their recommendation was to change the rules back to the original words and specifications as per the 2013 rule book. The current rules below therefore, have been changed to reflect the original words and dimensions in the 2013 rule book. The same changes will also need to be made in the Super Saloon Bumper section T11-1-31 as they have the same wording in both classes. Also The Saloon Technical Committee have submitted a rule to clarify the seating position of the driver in a Saloon Car. Saloon Competitors only need to comment on this rule addition. If approved, the rule changes will be effective immediately, and will be updated in the online rule book. It is therefore important that all competitors and tracks express their views, whether they be good, bad or indifferent to the proposed changes. There is a two-week window for feedback." Also looked to see who is on these committees. Interesting at best. It May explain how some of the costs come in to it. As for the knowledge it would be hard to beat. but that's my View only. |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Feb 6, 2016 21:36:17 GMT 12
Totally agree here - it costs more to run a top saloon than to run the average super sometimes too... mainly because if your driving a top saloon youre a target for certain a-holes who shouldnt even be in the class with the amount they spend week to week and thier "were stock cars" driving styles... usual suspects again... all the finicky rule do is push up the costs and force more people out or onto the sidelines - snz seem to have forgotten that thier job is to make the class affordable - theres no hiding behind "the drivers vote the rules in" when they are the ones who have final say anyway. isnt that what the tech committee is for? Also looked to see who is on these committees. Interesting at best. It May explain how some of the costs come in to it. As for the knowledge it would be hard to beat. but that's my View only. Where can we see the names of the committee members.  |
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