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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 12:57:30 GMT 12
What a crock of kaka this has turned out to be.
This is what u need to know
The promoter puts on an event.
He makes an offer to the team's who compete in the event. How much he offers those competitors is between those two parties and NO ONE ELSE. The competitors can either accept or decline the ones who turned up obviously struck a deal which was acceptable to both parties.
The promoter then sells tickets to the event at a price set. If the punters think they will get value for their $$$ they will buy them. There was bloody near a full house of ppl who considered it was value.
The promoter gets an outfit on board to live stream it. The tie up and commercial arrangement between these two parties is between the AND NO ONE ELSE.
The stream gets priced and offered for sale. Much like the tickets the punters have to decide on the value if they think it's value.... Game on, if they don't then *forearms crossed* NO DEAL
that's where the punters involvement stops. What the heck makes you think your entitled to know commercially sensitive indication or the ins and outs of what their turn over was and where the coin went to ? Do you believe your entitled to know the same Info from other outfits you have dealings with ?
Do you go to McDonalds and ask for all their financial details for you to mull over whilst chowing down on your chicken nuggets?
It matters not 1 iota b if they sold 6 streams or 6 million, as long as they delivered a product worthy of your hard earned. If not then you have recourse.
Why you think your entitled to know more than what is in the public domain baffles me.
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 11, 2016 13:27:53 GMT 12
relax Ram Jam, youll give yourself a heart attack. getting all indignant and the like...ill simply ask you...why not? You tell me why i shouldnt know the things I want to know.. why cant I know how many have signed up? im one of them, I refer you gently back to my first post in this thread to read my queries there.
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2016 13:35:56 GMT 12
I was having a bit of fun Barry thats all...but I was well aware of the mathematical anomyly I posted. I wanted to hear more on the subject, to see what came of it, Glad you picked up on the Mulder and Scully bit because here I go again (paul McCarney and Wings) You carried on to say that you didnt believe 6000 sales was correct and said 6000 viewers maybe, or words to that effect, but how could anyone guess at such a figure, well sir no one guessed at that figure, it was told to the commentator (who Macgor believes knows nothing) that 6000 was the number, by a technician who was part of the team and had access to info and equipment, |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 14:01:25 GMT 12
relax Ram Jam, youll give yourself a heart attack. getting all indignant and the like...ill simply ask you...why not? You tell me why i shouldnt know the things I want to know.. why cant I know how many have signed up? im one of them, I refer you gently back to my first post in this thread to read my queries there. So your a customer, I don't know why you think the privileged information of shareholders should be given to customers. I don't know of many other bizz's that who run like that. |
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 11, 2016 14:11:18 GMT 12
thanks Macgor though im not sure what your trying to say, either that one person says the figure was incorrect or to show that RamJam has a lot of experience in streaming from past meetings, either way it doesnt mean we as patrons shouldnt know how many other patrons have signed up. In fact Palmy are at pains to make sure we know that 15 to 18k people turn up every year, the point is that My 50 dollars on its own wont cure any problems and it wont buy much quality or even a decent commentary, but my 50 bucks and lots of other peoples 50 bucks can fix a lot of problems, it can increase quality of viewing and it can buy decent commentary, that is how we judge value RamJam, thats why its important to know how many sign ups there are...if we have silly things going on like electricity outages we might expect that with a 300k turn over that possibility would be negated, or the number of cameras used, with 200 sign ups we may put up with fewer camera angles but with 2000 or 3000 sign ups we probably have the right to expect better...so now someone who isnt enraged with indignity please explain to me the concept of value for money, and why I shoudnt know how many people sign up to the stream! ..what started as a bit of tongue in cheek and an information gathering exercise not to mention a gentle conversation gets turned upside down by a shallow thinker..and to tell you the truth Ram Jam, Quite frankly I dont give a darn ( gone with the wind)
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2016 14:19:20 GMT 12
thanks Macgor though im not sure what your trying to say, The post linked to is by someone who was involved in distributing the stream thus the 6,000 figure is false. You can rave all you like about the other stuff but you might soon get lonely. |
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 11, 2016 15:06:14 GMT 12
I beg your pardon, a threat?..how disappointing, the man you mention above is involved with Post production Macgor, as he says in another thread he has nothing to do with the feed... one person says the figure is correct and another person says its not, they are both involved with the stream, one before and during as techy, the other post production.. all i want is to know how many others paid 50 bucks so I can judge if I believe the stream was worth it or not, then after ram jams attack I want to know why I shouldnt ask, I dont think thats raving...I'll check my dictionary. you people are making this a mountain out of a mole hill....
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2016 15:26:33 GMT 12
Not sure if it's a mountain, a mole hill or just a mobile chicane.
Maybe it's you that has the issue? Just an alternate thought...........
Surely you can judge it on the quality, or otherwise, of the product, as the only ones that need to judge it by the amount of customers said stream attracted are those with a vested financial interest in providing such streams? And then they will decide on where to go in future years? Or am I looking at this wrong?
Barry B
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 15:28:50 GMT 12
I beg your pardon, a threat?..how disappointing, the man you mention above is involved with Post production Macgor, as he says in another thread he has nothing to do with the feed... one person says the figure is correct and another person says its not, they are both involved with the stream, one before and during as techy, the other post production.. all i want is to know how many others paid 50 bucks so I can judge if I believe the stream was worth it or not, then after ram jams attack I want to know why I shouldnt ask, I dont think thats raving...I'll check my dictionary. you people are making this a mountain out of a mole hill.... As are you mobilechicane. |
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 11, 2016 15:53:33 GMT 12
thanks for joining in Rhodesta....really made that mountain just go away...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 16:37:39 GMT 12
thanks for joining in Rhodesta....really made that mountain just go away... You're welcome!  Seriously though dude - I saw more posts from you than from anyone else, all to do with the one issue that really just doesnt matter anymore. sure they made a mountain of the molehill... but you did to - and you did it first. |
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 11, 2016 17:04:56 GMT 12
it does matter how many people sign up, and it also matters that the things the commentators tell us are correct, and if someone else deems it necessary to counter what the commentator says we have the right to ask why, and surely people have the right to ask without having some nut case flip out at them or to have threats made at them.
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Post by cameraman on Feb 11, 2016 17:31:48 GMT 12
it does matter how many people sign up, and it also matters that the things the commentators tell us are correct, and if someone else deems it necessary to counter what the commentator says we have the right to ask why, and surely people have the right to ask without having some nut case flip out at them or to have threats made at them. It is people like yourself that my company decided to stay away from livestreaming of speedway events and stick to mainstream TV. Firstly the information you are wanting is VERY commercially sensitive as if me as a production company knew all the numbers and figures I could approach pn promotions and offer different packages using this information. I will say now it was not 6000 subscribers, maybe viewers though. Secondly you can make up your mind from the quality of your stream as to weather it was value for money. You shouldn't value the quality of a product on the profit made from the product. The only way this can work is if due to profit this year the product is inhanced next year. Kind of how business works. Make money on a product now..in time invest profits back into product to make better and so on. I have seen a lot of the work produced by the guys in pn and for the gear they use and experience of staff it produces a pretty nice package. Value for money = I believe from what I have been reading here and what I saw live on the big screen the fee was value for money each year they are doing a nicer job of the quality and accuracy of camera operators. As for the commentary team. People arnt perfect and if someone from the video team through out 6000 as a number he was just exaggerating to make the stream sound great. Cody MulticamLive |
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Post by mobilechicane on Feb 11, 2016 18:13:50 GMT 12
here we go getting personal again, people like me
people like me make the whole streaming thing possible because we pay for it. what is it have I said that you object to? specificaly
yes commercially sensitive information, thats why I picked up on it, and the denial that has come since it, competition always makes things better!
why do people keep saying it wasnt 6000 sales maybe 6000 viewers though? i
Value for money and investment into the service is what I was talking about, glad you picked up on it, its know as accountability, its our sport, the whole of NZ, its not just a money making honey pot for the few. speedway works from bottom to top, the race vehicle owners and fans put all the money into the sport, tens upon tens of thousands of dollars, the drivers put their health on the line, the club members work for free and of course the volunteers but theres only ever one or two who take the profit of the sport, they have free labour, free advertising they dont need to own race vehicles...if people like me dont keep people like you honest we will be asked for 100 bucks for two nights of single camera views, poor quality audio and not very knowledgeable commentary... so there it is laid out bare...I dont trust people like you to make a buck and do the best for our sport...I want to see competition in the market place, I want to see people selling streams on quality not simply because theres no other choice.... at present I dont see 100 bucks value there, but theres no other game in town yet...commercially sensitive..your making me laugh, jeez people like you hey
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Post by mcfly on Feb 11, 2016 18:20:52 GMT 12
it does matter how many people sign up, and it also matters that the things the commentators tell us are correct, and if someone else deems it necessary to counter what the commentator says we have the right to ask why, and surely people have the right to ask without having some nut case flip out at them or to have threats made at them. I tend to agree with you mobilechicane, but even though this is called a discussion board, you will soon find out that if your thoughts and discussion direction/opinion differs from some of the well known posters on this site you will be attacked and shot down. Quite often you are better off to just read their arrogant replies, shake your head, laugh and move on.... |
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Post by splinta67 on Feb 11, 2016 19:28:51 GMT 12
it does matter how many people sign up, and it also matters that the things the commentators tell us are correct, and if someone else deems it necessary to counter what the commentator says we have the right to ask why, and surely people have the right to ask without having some nut case flip out at them or to have threats made at them. I tend to agree with you mobilechicane, but even though this is called a discussion board, you will soon find out that if your thoughts and discussion direction/opinion differs from some of the well known posters on this site you will be attacked and shot down. Quite often you are better off to just read their arrogant replies, shake your head, laugh and move on.... Well said Mcfly |
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2016 20:02:40 GMT 12
Just let me know when you've finished guys and I will lock this up. Mind you, if this place so badly run I'm really surprised you're still here anyway.
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