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Post by 00crewchief00 on Feb 18, 2016 6:25:14 GMT 12
Maybe mini stocks should be run like a go kart track.
Clubs have the cars, kids just bring ya number panels.
That way the cars should be able to be roughly the same spec.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 7:42:11 GMT 12
18th Season as Meeanee Track Announcer In a Senior class the buck usually stops with the competitor but as said above when it comes down to Adults/Parents being responsible for the car prep etc then the Kids shouldn't be punished with stand down periods should they?. Any Car found to be illegal before or after an event must still be disqualified from the results just like any senior grade. I don't agree that banning Kids for any length of time is healthy for the growth of our Sport unless it is for serious misconduct. Is there anyway Engine builders can be held more accountable by signing an SNZ form stating the motor has been built within rule specs and also have the SNZ seal on the engine. This is a way to keep tabs on who is doing what and if the same builders keep appearing on the radar then SNZ could add them to a list of banned tuners?. I'm sure there are holes in my theory that Macgorians will find. It is a thorny problem for sure but needs stamping out NOW as it seems to me that Ministock numbers have dwindled somewhat the last 5 years as the cost of running up front has rocketed, Limited standown time and a hefty fine to hit dad in the pocket .. |
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Post by Yard on Feb 18, 2016 12:20:15 GMT 12
What checks are there on the cars after the stand down has been served, does the competitor have to prove the motor is now legal or do they just turn up & hope to get away with it as they have previously? The Engine Will need to be checked over by a Tech Steward along with the rest of the car. E2-2-4(b)(X) Punishment. It would be harsh to punish the child But some kind of deterrent is needed. Perhaps maybe, 1. 4 to 6 month stand-down. 2. 6 month of starting 100 m behind the last car. 3. Probation for the adult(s) 12 full mths. looking forward to your comments. |
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Post by nottosure on Feb 18, 2016 13:52:56 GMT 12
Cheating only occurs to gain an advantage/win so those cars & drivers that get caught should be punished with not being eligible for any race wins, entry into championships, season points, club trophies, anything that awards winning. This may prevent parents from teaching their children that cheating is acceptable.
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Feb 18, 2016 14:39:52 GMT 12
That's easy take there transponder off them.
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Post by Willess on Feb 18, 2016 15:12:12 GMT 12
Taking 6 or 7 hours for scrutineering on Friday is rather unacceptable. Were the scrutineers registered to Rotorua Speedway or just roped in from another track?
The kids were subjected to long checks without parental support as they were kept behind roped off area. For the little ones (12yo juniors etc) this could be quite intimidating. Some were in tears or close to it. Remember they were excited to be there, possibly slept in their overalls the night before and then some had travelled long and far for a great meeting that is enjoyed by all involved.
I thought that if something was amiss at scrutineering (not safety etc) that it was logged in book and had to be fixed before next time? Specifically taking about lots of motors being 10 20 or 30 millimetres to far forward or back. Or is it different for Ministocks?
It is just that for the last couple of years being interested in this meeting, this has never occurred before.
In past years there generally is a couple of vehicles that have pushed boundaries regarding motors etc and this year is no exception.
Still, the family had a great time as usual even though a little stressful at times.
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Post by mudman on Feb 18, 2016 17:31:34 GMT 12
A stand down is not an unreasonable punishment for turning up to a meeting half way through the season with an illegal engine. If a child of any age turned up to a rugby/soccer/netball tournament who was to old for the age division they would be removed and the team excluded. ive been there ive seen it and those are the rules, push the rules and the rule makers push back.
people say 'their only kids if we treat them badly now we will drive them away' punishing them for rule breaking is not treating them badly, turning a blind eye to it is mistreatment of the honest who will walk away from our sport saying its corrupt. Yes its the parents that fund and maintain these cars but ask any parent the biggest joy they get is watching their kid race around and get out smiling. if they see others getting stung with a year stand down for a major rule violation they will think twice about bolting on the race shocks or drilling out the restrictor plate or getting a lumpier cam because the last thing they want is their child sidelined dubbed a cheater and having a car they struggle to sell because its not snz legal, not to mention the waste of money they invested.
If snz start really coming down and make a point that the rules are not to be tested you will find more legal cars then ever before. if they continue turning a blind eye to minor enhancements it will drive out the honest who struggle to succeed because their getting shown up by cheaters and it will continue to drive the car price even further then what is currently considered exessive.
Punish them properly once and they will never cheat again.
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Post by meeaneemic on Feb 18, 2016 18:18:04 GMT 12
A stand down is not an unreasonable punishment for turning up to a meeting half way through the season with an illegal engine. If a child of any age turned up to a rugby/soccer/netball tournament who was to old for the age division they would be removed and the team excluded. ive been there ive seen it and those are the rules, push the rules and the rule makers push back. people say 'their only kids if we treat them badly now we will drive them away' punishing them for rule breaking is not treating them badly, turning a blind eye to it is mistreatment of the honest who will walk away from our sport saying its corrupt. Yes its the parents that fund and maintain these cars but ask any parent the biggest joy they get is watching their kid race around and get out smiling. if they see others getting stung with a year stand down for a major rule violation they will think twice about bolting on the race shocks or drilling out the restrictor plate or getting a lumpier cam because the last thing they want is their child sidelined dubbed a cheater and having a car they struggle to sell because its not snz legal, not to mention the waste of money they invested. If snz start really coming down and make a point that the rules are not to be tested you will find more legal cars then ever before. if they continue turning a blind eye to minor enhancements it will drive out the honest who struggle to succeed because their getting shown up by cheaters and it will continue to drive the car price even further then what is currently considered exessive. Punish them properly once and they will never cheat again. 18th Season as Meeanee Track Announcer A Kid who is overage for Ball sports KNOWS HE IS OVERAGE. How many Ministock Kids would even have a clue the engine is not legal?. Do you think the parents or builder would tell them! I don't reckon they would. Offset motors and non compliant suspension parts should be easier for a driver to see and perhaps this could be added to the mentoring programme somehow. |
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Post by mrsbrown on Feb 18, 2016 18:26:41 GMT 12
Well you have to start looking at the home tracks of these cars and the scrutineers there. How many had to move there motors and what about the car that had to put legal struts on there car before they could race ??. Why isn't it been picked up at the track as they come through Scrutineering. And how many are going to change them back once there go back to there home tracks. Maybe snz needs to start looking at these cars a bit harder and not wait till MIP.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 18, 2016 18:34:08 GMT 12
Well you have to start looking at the home tracks of these cars and the scrutineers there. How many had to move there motors and what about the car that had to put legal struts on there car before they could race ??. Why isn't it been picked up at the track as they come through Scrutineering. And how many are going to change them back once there go back to there home tracks. Maybe snz needs to start looking at these cars a bit harder and not wait till MIP. THIS |
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Post by rev2red on Feb 18, 2016 20:12:12 GMT 12
As i am aware there are several types of datsun heads with different numbers on them and now all of a sudden snz have a list of these heads and only two of the numbers are deemed to be legal ,even though all the port sizes etc are exactly the same size in all the difffernt numbered heads. Out of the 7 heads that we have sitting in our shed only 1 has the number that snz deems to be legal.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 18, 2016 21:06:16 GMT 12
As i am aware there are several types of datsun heads with different numbers on them and now all of a sudden snz have a list of these heads and only two of the numbers are deemed to be legal ,even though all the port sizes etc are exactly the same size in all the difffernt numbered heads. Out of the 7 heads that we have sitting in our shed only 1 has the number that snz deems to be legal. Simple, use that and put a remit to the board to expand the numbers. |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 18, 2016 21:41:42 GMT 12
It will all serve as a message for those in future years that "if you want to cheat don't come to MIP". The driver of any class needs to stand down and be the one punished for illegal engines, it is up to them then to choose who they trust in supplying there motors in the future this would automatically hurt any parents or engine builder directly.
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