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Post by Stevo on Feb 27, 2016 10:16:38 GMT 12
I have it on good authority from someone who is close to the action (I'm not there) that a V driver protested a P driver, apparently over an issue with the inlet manifold. It has now also flowed on to one of his own team mates though, with the same manifold, as well as a W driver. These manifolds were all run at Huntly without any issues so not sure what has changed. Stewards are looking into it but at this stage the P car and W car won't front tonight, no news what the V car is doing (manifold swap maybe?).
Like all good reporters, I'm protecting my source, so don't ask, and at this stage I won't name particular drivers.
Let's wait and see what happens over this.
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Feb 27, 2016 10:28:42 GMT 12
Always that area of the country too!
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Post by bumper on Feb 27, 2016 10:29:48 GMT 12
they were talking about it on trackside on sky sport.
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Post by brute2 on Feb 27, 2016 10:51:11 GMT 12
Well if that's prove and those cars raced should not the team s involved ,have all points removed , .....??
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Post by Stevo on Feb 27, 2016 10:58:26 GMT 12
I guess the difficulty for the stewards is that the manifolds were ok at the NZ's in Huntly, and now they are not?
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Post by nottosure on Feb 27, 2016 10:59:27 GMT 12
Have heard the same thing but only regarding the P car, didn't realise it affected the Wanganui and Wellington cars aswell. Out of curiosity does the fact that each of V, P and W raced each other cancel the indiscretions out or do all teams get disqualified from the meeting or do the offending drivers only get penalised meaning race results/points change and the whole top 8, semi match ups etc. becomes different. Or does a penalty resulting in the offending drivers not taking further participation in the weekends racing suffice? After only hearing that the Puma driver was originally affected and maybe getting excluded from the results last night I had a look on Live Laps and excluding this driver changes the top 8 dramatically putting Wellington in the top 8 aswell as Wanganui and the Pumas but drops Auckland out. Disqualifying the Pumas also puts Wellington in the top 8 if they get the full 195 point for winning but doing the same for the Vulcans means they now end up on a total of 330 points. Or do the current race results stand? I know if I was a member of either the Stratford, Blenheim or Meeanee team and had to watch 2 teams in the top 8 who carry on with chances of winning the title knowing they benefitted from getting to that stage with illegal cars wouldn't sit right. Remember this is a highly coveted title and the winning club benefits hugely from it and will be interesting how SNZ decide penalties fairly for everyone.
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Post by Stevo on Feb 27, 2016 11:05:16 GMT 12
Excluding P might put W and V up, but now you have to exclude W and V as well. I go back to my earlier post - how come they were legal at the NZ's but not now?
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Post by brute2 on Feb 27, 2016 11:16:38 GMT 12
If found to be true They must be disqualified the teams .. That's y it's called a teams race All for One , One for all ,,,,,,,,Come on SNZ rules are rules .
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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2016 11:21:42 GMT 12
If found to be true They must be disqualified the teams .. That's y it's called a teams race All for One , One for all ,,,,,,,,Come on SNZ rules are rules . What's the basis for your opinion? 8g weighed overweight at last years Stockcar Teams Champs and there was no penalty sanctioned to the team, the penalty was sanctioned against the individual. Please quote from the SNZ rule book to provide evidence to back up your post. |
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Post by nottosure on Feb 27, 2016 11:25:16 GMT 12
I guess it's easy to say they were legal at the NZ's but who knows what on a car/engine has been changed between then and now. Another thing to think about is from being involved in teams racing in the past all drivers generally sign each others scrutineering card in case driver swaps need to occur during the meeting because of injury etc. If this occurs doesn't that mean all those who signed that cars card were prepared to 'cheat' whether they knew it or not so as a team they should be excluded as they were all prepared to drive that car(s). It seems illogical to eliminate a driver only when they are competing in a teams event and the team as a whole have benefitted from the illegal car. SNZ need to grow something and make an example of this if there is in fact an indiscretion all 3 caught teams raced each other so the most obvious penalty is to cancel each of them out of further participation. Maybe some teams need to employ lawyers now.
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Post by mcfly on Feb 27, 2016 11:32:31 GMT 12
If found to be true They must be disqualified the teams .. That's y it's called a teams race All for One , One for all ,,,,,,,,Come on SNZ rules are rules . What's the basis for your opinion? 8g weighed overweight at last years Stockcar Teams Champs and there was no penalty sanctioned to the team, the penalty was sanctioned against the individual. Please quote from the SNZ rule book to provide evidence to back up your post. Was the 8g found to be heavy prior to racing, had he taken part in any racing first, had he had any bearing at all on race results? |
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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2016 11:42:51 GMT 12
Was after a race he had competed in.
Driver received a 30-day stand down. Race result was upheld and Gisborne went on to win the whole thing.
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Post by brute2 on Feb 27, 2016 11:53:11 GMT 12
Why have rules then  ?? If found to be cheating the whole team is out , ,, 69 other cars got it right ? They came as a team they go out as a Team ,.That why it's called NZ STOCKCAR ( TEAMS ) CHAMPS ....Is that to hard to follow ..if I am wrong why are 2 cars not racing and 1 changing manafold ..Come on SNZ RULES are rules |
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Post by dm on Feb 27, 2016 11:57:09 GMT 12
Controversy you say.....anybody see that pole line.
Nope, i dont think the drivers did either
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Post by beachboy on Feb 27, 2016 12:04:55 GMT 12
Can’t disqualified the team, as pointed out Gisborne used an illegal car last season but were allowed to continue on and win the event.
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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2016 12:24:26 GMT 12
Why have rules then ?? If found to be cheating the whole team is out , ,, 69 other cars got it right ? They came as a team they go out as a Team ,.That why it's called NZ STOCKCAR ( TEAMS ) CHAMPS ....Is that to hard to follow ..if I am wrong why are 2 cars not racing and 1 changing manafold ..Come on SNZ RULES are rules Would you suggest an entire team should be excluded if one car has incorrect bumper height? Would you suggest an entire team should be excluded if one car has an incorrect wheel? Thankfully the SNZ Officials have a range of penalties they can apply when rules are broken. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 27, 2016 12:33:53 GMT 12
Why have rules then ?? If found to be cheating the whole team is out , ,, 69 other cars got it right ? They came as a team they go out as a Team ,.That why it's called NZ STOCKCAR ( TEAMS ) CHAMPS ....Is that to hard to follow ..if I am wrong why are 2 cars not racing and 1 changing manafold ..Come on SNZ RULES are rules Why do other team sports refs have yellow and red cards. It's team sports so the whole team should be sent off using your way of thinking. |
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Post by nottosure on Feb 27, 2016 12:49:14 GMT 12
If found to be true They must be disqualified the teams .. That's y it's called a teams race All for One , One for all ,,,,,,,,Come on SNZ rules are rules . What's the basis for your opinion? 8g weighed overweight at last years Stockcar Teams Champs and there was no penalty sanctioned to the team, the penalty was sanctioned against the individual. Please quote from the SNZ rule book to provide evidence to back up your post. M7-4 SPECIFIC TECHNICAL OFFENCES M7-4-3 NON COMPLIANT ENGINE if a vehicle is found to have a non-compliant engine the Competitor will be:- (i) Excluded from the meeting by the Steward, and (ii) Suspended for 22 days, commencing from the date of the offence, and (iii) Reported within 7 days of the date of the offence to the Board for possible further penalty. Reading this means that any offending drivers are excluded meaning the race results that Wellington, Wanganui and Palmerston North (who all raced each other only) all change thus affecting points gained, final placings and thus most probably the final 8 make up and draw. The illegal car can be modified back to be legal but the driver can't drive it due to being on a 22 day stand down immediately. BUT what about those other drivers who also presumably signed the offending cars scrutineering card thus signing a document stating they intended to drive the illegal car. Should they not be liable for a 22 day stand down meaning in all likelihood the whole team is scrubbed out? |
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Post by brute2 on Feb 27, 2016 12:49:55 GMT 12
Please explain to everyone how you see this .they have been court cheating THIS IS A NZ TITLE ...?? Like I said 69 cars got it right 3 tried it on an got caught .this is to a not a practice meeting .everyone know the rules ..If the teams concern are not disqualified , SNZ rule book will become a joke . THEY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT CHEATING OPEN UN SHUT CASE !!OVER ,,,!!!!!L
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Post by anonp on Feb 27, 2016 13:00:18 GMT 12
Please explain to everyone how you see this .they have been court cheating THIS IS A NZ TITLE ...?? Like I said 69 cars got it right 3 tried it on an got caught .this is to a not a practice meeting .everyone know the rules ..If the teams concern are not disqualified , SNZ rule book will become a joke . THEY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT CHEATING OPEN UN SHUT CASE !!OVER ,,,!!!!!L and how do you know 69 other cars got it right? 69 other cars didn't get checked |
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?? If found to be cheating the whole team is out , ,, 69 other cars got it right ? They came as a team they go out as a Team ,.That why it's called NZ STOCKCAR ( TEAMS ) CHAMPS ....Is that to hard to follow ..if I am wrong why are 2 cars not racing and 1 changing manafold ..Come on SNZ RULES are rules 
