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Post by Stevo on Feb 29, 2016 13:52:22 GMT 12
I know I am probably pushing ..it uphill here, but spare a thought for the rest of the Palmy drivers, crews and supporters who travelled a long way at great cost to compete at this event, only to be let down by one amongst them. They have all copped a lot of a flak and abuse for something that they have not had anything to do with, or knowledge of, and were badly let down by one individual.
This whole event has been marred by the actions of one person and he deserves everything he gets (and some), but please feel for all those who have been affected by it (and I don't just mean the Palmy crew).
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 29, 2016 14:04:13 GMT 12
why is there such abuse in the sport? that in my eyes that is the only thing speedway new zealand should be tring to snuff out.
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Feb 29, 2016 15:22:01 GMT 12
Teams Racing is a Team sport.
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Post by Tapped on Feb 29, 2016 15:52:33 GMT 12
Indeed stevo, wouldn't want to him when the team gets s hold of him - no more teams racing for, and will always have that label on him. A life time of greif for one bad decision.
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Post by Stevo on Feb 29, 2016 16:11:09 GMT 12
Teams Racing is a Team sport. Rugby is a team sport, you don't see the whole team walk off if one player gets carded. |
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Post by penman on Feb 29, 2016 16:20:45 GMT 12
I know I am probably pushing ..it uphill here, but spare a thought for the rest of the Palmy drivers, crews and supporters who travelled a long way at great cost to compete at this event, only to be let down by one cheat amongst them. They have all copped a lot of a flak and abuse for something that they have not had anything to do with, or knowledge of, and were badly let down by one individual. This whole event has been marred by the actions of one person and he deserves everything he gets (and some), but please feel for all those who have been affected by it (and I don't just mean the Palmy crew). Talk about a kangaroo court....wow! Named and shamed on here - and pretty publicly too. Surprised the mods haven't cracked down on this. There is the case of the manifold that was deemed to be illegal, and that appears to be a legitimate issue....but to take that a step further as this post has is a little precarious to say the least. Is there a possibility it could be an engine builder or similar that was at fault? Is there a possibility the manifold was purchased and fitted without the driver being aware it was illegal? Is there a possibility that everyone is actually taking this fella to task for something he may have, in fact, been completely unaware of until it was checked? |
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Post by petrolhead 17 on Feb 29, 2016 16:22:08 GMT 12
Hang on guys we don't even know if the driver involved knew that there was an illegal part in his engine.
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Post by Stevo on Feb 29, 2016 16:29:53 GMT 12
Sorry guys, my mistake, I have removed the offending word from my original post. It hasn't been proven who was at fault. However, that doesn't lessen the effect it has had on all parties
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Post by scooterman on Feb 29, 2016 16:40:58 GMT 12
after all this chat it was answered by petrolhead saying it WAS his engine so it is all his responseibilty to make sure HIS car is LEGAL.
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Post by stu24p on Feb 29, 2016 17:46:18 GMT 12
after all this chat it was answered by petrolhead saying it WAS his engine so it is all his responseibilty to make sure HIS car is LEGAL. I wouldn't know if my engine is illegal or not. And wouldn't know how to tell. I'm not a mechanic or an engine builder. |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 29, 2016 18:23:08 GMT 12
I know I am probably pushing ..it uphill here, but spare a thought for the rest of the Palmy drivers, crews and supporters who travelled a long way at great cost to compete at this event, only to be let down by one cheat amongst them. They have all copped a lot of a flak and abuse for something that they have not had anything to do with, or knowledge of, and were badly let down by one individual. This whole event has been marred by the actions of one person and he deserves everything he gets (and some), but please feel for all those who have been affected by it (and I don't just mean the Palmy crew). Talk about a kangaroo court....wow! Named and shamed on here - and pretty publicly too. Surprised the mods haven't cracked down on this. There is the case of the manifold that was deemed to be illegal, and that appears to be a legitimate issue....but to take that a step further as this post has is a little precarious to say the least. Is there a possibility it could be an engine builder or similar that was at fault? Is there a possibility the manifold was purchased and fitted without the driver being aware it was illegal? Is there a possibility that everyone is actually taking this fella to task for something he may have, in fact, been completely unaware of until it was checked? Don't want to weigh into this too much but just to say there's no secret on who the car and driver are..he was named and parked on the trailer on Saturday night in front of probably 4000+ Stockcar fans |
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Post by penman on Feb 29, 2016 18:25:20 GMT 12
after all this chat it was answered by petrolhead saying it WAS his engine so it is all his responseibilty to make sure HIS car is LEGAL. That's a very, very simplistic view of things. And it doesn't actually highlight a solution at all....it just exacerbates the problem... |
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Post by brendanlucas on Feb 29, 2016 18:25:32 GMT 12
Have to wonder about the timing of such protests. It would seem if the protestor had prior knowledge of a problem, why he/she would wait till such a time that it would cause maximum problems, very suspicious conduct. Just as pi55 poor as anyone deliberately cheating in my view. I would appoligise if the problem had been found a short time before the protest, but my suspition is very poor sportsmanship.
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Post by penman on Feb 29, 2016 18:28:21 GMT 12
Talk about a kangaroo court....wow! Named and shamed on here - and pretty publicly too. Surprised the mods haven't cracked down on this. There is the case of the manifold that was deemed to be illegal, and that appears to be a legitimate issue....but to take that a step further as this post has is a little precarious to say the least. Is there a possibility it could be an engine builder or similar that was at fault? Is there a possibility the manifold was purchased and fitted without the driver being aware it was illegal? Is there a possibility that everyone is actually taking this fella to task for something he may have, in fact, been completely unaware of until it was checked? Don't want to weigh into this too much but just to say there's no secret on who the car and driver are..he was named and parked on the trailer on Saturday night in front of probably 4000+ Stockcar fans Yep, I said he was named and shamed publicly. But the post that opened this thread was unnecessarily blunt, derogatory and potentially slanderous with the language it used. If the car was illegal, then I have no issue with it being put on the trailer, but for someone to come on here and suggest those things about a driver who may, in fact, have been an unknowing party is just totally uncalled for until the facts are known. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 18:35:45 GMT 12
Don't want to weigh into this too much but just to say there's no secret on who the car and driver are..he was named and parked on the trailer on Saturday night in front of probably 4000+ Stockcar fans Yep, I said he was named and shamed publicly. But the post that opened this thread was unnecessarily blunt, derogatory and potentially slanderous with the language it used. If the car was illegal, then I have no issue with it being put on the trailer, but for someone to come on here and suggest those things about a driver who may, in fact, have been an unknowing party is just totally uncalled for until the facts are known. Well this is Macgors afterall , the place where the critics/experts actually know more than the drivers themselves.. |
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Post by bikeboy on Feb 29, 2016 19:57:37 GMT 12
after all this chat it was answered by petrolhead saying it WAS his engine so it is all his responseibilty to make sure HIS car is LEGAL. I wouldn't know if my engine is illegal or not. And wouldn't know how to tell. I'm not a mechanic or an engine builder. so should you not have to stick to the rules since you dont know where to look? the driver signs the sheet at the start of the night, they are responsible for what is in the car, the buck stops with them, now if he had brought the car and raced it with out knowing what was in it, I would have some sympathy for his plight, but if he paid an engine builder, and did not know what went into it, then not so much, but I think the engine builder should be named and shamed as much as the driver is as well, |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 29, 2016 21:12:00 GMT 12
Have to wonder about the timing of such protests. It would seem if the protestor had prior knowledge of a problem, why he/she would wait till such a time that it would cause maximum problems, very suspicious conduct. Just as pi55 poor as anyone deliberately cheating in my view. I would appoligise if the problem had been found a short time before the protest, but my suspition is very poor sportsmanship. BL Not much use protesting before it has raced, as it hasn't raced, it hasn't cheated/ been illegal. Part could be changed and nothing done. Most effectual at the end of the night, sorry, but that works. |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 29, 2016 21:57:03 GMT 12
Have to wonder about the timing of such protests. It would seem if the protestor had prior knowledge of a problem, why he/she would wait till such a time that it would cause maximum problems, very suspicious conduct. Just as pi55 poor as anyone deliberately cheating in my view. I would appoligise if the problem had been found a short time before the protest, but my suspition is very poor sportsmanship. BL Not much use protesting before it has raced, as it hasn't raced, it hasn't cheated/ been illegal. Part could be changed and nothing done. Most effectual at the end of the night, sorry, but that works. The rulebook also says there is no protecting in teams racing, yet it seems to keep happening, whether it's through actual formal protesting or "hey you need to go check out that car because I think it's illegal" type "suggestions" to officials. And as far as i can tell, the actual nature of the issue hasn't been disclosed beyond it being an illegal manifold, which to me means there is a possibility that it has been damaged/repaired and is no longer legal. I think we need to stop instantly jumping to "he was deliberately trying to cheat and we should run him out of town" every time someone infringes on the rules. Oh no wait, people only do that if it's a Palmy driver/team that is pinged for something and then get pissy when the same treatment is applied to others. I'm glad Palmy didn't win the superstock teams this year because it meant that half the posts on here weren't about how one of them cut the pole line or something and they only won because of that. Sadly we lost again this weekend and still got to hear the "Palmy are all a bunch of cheats" bullnuts |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 29, 2016 22:03:01 GMT 12
Not much use protesting before it has raced, as it hasn't raced, it hasn't cheated/ been illegal. Part could be changed and nothing done. Most effectual at the end of the night, sorry, but that works. The rulebook also says there is no protecting in teams racing, yet it seems to keep happening, whether it's through actual formal protesting or "hey you need to go check out that car because I think it's illegal" type "suggestions" to officials. And as far as i can tell, the actual nature of the issue hasn't been disclosed beyond it being an illegal manifold, which to me means there is a possibility that it has been damaged/repaired and is no longer legal. I think we need to stop instantly jumping to "he was deliberately trying to cheat and we should run him out of town" every time someone infringes on the rules. Oh no wait, people only do that if it's a Palmy driver/team that is pinged for something and then get pissy when the same treatment is applied to others. I'm glad Palmy didn't win the superstock teams this year because it meant that half the posts on here weren't about how one of them cut the pole line or something and they only won because of that. Sadly we lost again this weekend and still got to hear the "Palmy are all a bunch of cheats" bullnuts The way I understand it there was no protest about the teams race, the protest was about a vehicle rule infringement, two totally different things |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 29, 2016 22:15:26 GMT 12
I wouldn't know if my engine is illegal or not. And wouldn't know how to tell. I'm not a mechanic or an engine builder. so should you not have to stick to the rules since you dont know where to look? the driver signs the sheet at the start of the night, they are responsible for what is in the car, the buck stops with them, now if he had brought the car and raced it with out knowing what was in it, I would have some sympathy for his plight, but if he paid an engine builder, and did not know what went into it, then not so much, but I think the engine builder should be named and shamed as much as the driver is as well, So effectively what you are saying is that anybody who races must be a mechanic? I would be surprised if there was even 50% of competitors who build their own engines, at best most would either use engine builders recommended by others within the sport and/or give the specs to a builder and expect to get a compliant engine back. Until it is known exactly what the fault was with this engine it is incredibly unfair to label the driver a cheat. |
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