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Post by meeaneemic on Feb 2, 2017 11:25:42 GMT 12
Great idea but start with just two teams and emerge from that. If you pull that off then the following season include 3 and so on. I can't see it working without a few big corporate sponsors. 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Sponsorship is vital but why would you start with only 2 teams!!! 2 teams would kill it before it even got off the ground running { might as well just have Nth vs Sth then } Todays World is about branding which is one of the reasons Palmy's team champs have become so successful ''Region of Origin'' could become it's own brand when done correctly |
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Post by mudman on Feb 2, 2017 12:11:16 GMT 12
Lets this about this locially for a minute. Another teams champs, great I cant get enough of it-spectator. Another teams champs, nuts how am I going to afford that-competitor.
Palmy teams champs is sometimes the only teams racing drivers will do in a season they will endure the costs that come with it because its such an iconic event and theres no other sporting event in nz that rivals it for atmosphere and entertainment.
Then we look at the teams nationals in Auckland, arguably the official national title. Struggles to pull the crowd and the drivers often used it as the minor event to blood in new talent.
Introducing a third title where drivers have to leave their current club to win something for another club could be a problem in itself. Teams will struggle to recruit drivers and in turn promotion will struggle to have teams enter.
Vaguely guessing what it might cost to host a teams champs isn't necessarily a cost clubs are able to handle and big time sponsors may not like their names being used in a different location every year with no guarantee of 12 top teams fronting.
I like the idea its different and could be fun but as of today I struggle to see it as anything more then a good idea. Maybe a better organised version of the Rees shield could be on offer where holders must race for it every 6 weeks failing to do so gets it handed over to the challenger.
Just my thoughts from another faceless internet profile.
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Post by NZ Sauber on Feb 2, 2017 12:18:41 GMT 12
Here is a scenario by region rather than track. As there are only 5 Superstock drivers available the South Island is now a singular region  Auckland-Northland: 57A, 63A, 71A, 99A, 351R Waikato: 11K, 65R, 71H, 85H, 96H Bay of Plenty: 19M, 87R, 98M, 118R, 555R Taranaki 1: 26S, 52S, 66S, 75S, 82S Taranaki 2: 1NZP, 3NZP, 36P, 41S, 52P East Coast 1: 16B, 41B, 52B, 84B, 87B East Coast 2: 9B, 31P, 71P, 86B, 136B Manawatu-Whanganui 1: 58P, 74P, 88P, 94P, 971P Manawatu-Whanganui 2: 10G, 75G, 127G, 581P, 599V Wellington: 5W, 22W, 52W, 89W, 321W South Island: 5C, 10C, 16N, 29C, 99N Overseas: 591P, 84G, 217GB, 515GB, 888C/S Not sure of others, but didn't Bryce Steiner start his racing at Huntly? that would make him Waikato Did a region they reside in rather than the first track they registered to. |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Feb 2, 2017 12:51:09 GMT 12
How about 3 regions with 2 teams from each?
Taupo north- region1
Taupo south- region2
South island- region3
Or maybe South is. Upper north lower north then east and west coast
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Post by midway on Feb 2, 2017 12:54:42 GMT 12
Great idea but start with just two teams and emerge from that. If you pull that off then the following season include 3 and so on. I can't see it working without a few big corporate sponsors. 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Sponsorship is vital but why would you start with only 2 teams!!! 2 teams would kill it before it even got off the ground running { might as well just have Nth vs Sth then } Todays World is about branding which is one of the reasons Palmy's team champs have become so successful ''Region of Origin'' could become it's own brand when done correctly Lets hope you are not trying to persecute individuals that love the sport ,teams race,and travel to which ever club ,they desire ,for reason,s they choose not to disclose (freedom of choice ) . There are many clubs throughout the regions that have low numbers of superstocks ,or even stockcars ,,. Region of Origin doesnt work in the sport of rugby ,and i honestly cant see it working in teams racing . Best of Luck .. |
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Post by totspete on Feb 2, 2017 14:02:45 GMT 12
Of course it won't work because it doesn't have the history, culture and provincial aspect that teams champs does, it's a forced and fake alliance. It barely works in Super Rugby and only then because it's a pathway tournament to the All Blacks and amply rewarded. Hey, I've got an idea ... why don't we take superstock teams to Australia, we could get supporters tours and .... oh, right.
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Post by gazman on Feb 2, 2017 15:26:55 GMT 12
How about a North V South situation...? I am sure we could come up with a suitable handicap for the North cars to try to make it a remote possibility for the Southerners.....  |
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Post by penman on Feb 2, 2017 16:12:01 GMT 12
It also raises the question - why?
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Post by meeaneemic on Feb 2, 2017 17:46:01 GMT 12
Lets this about this locially for a minute. Another teams champs, great I cant get enough of it-spectator. Another teams champs, nuts how am I going to afford that-competitor. Palmy teams champs is sometimes the only teams racing drivers will do in a season they will endure the costs that come with it because its such an iconic event and theres no other sporting event in nz that rivals it for atmosphere and entertainment. Then we look at the teams nationals in Auckland, arguably the official national title. Struggles to pull the crowd and the drivers often used it as the minor event to blood in new talent. Introducing a third title where drivers have to leave their current club to win something for another club could be a problem in itself. Teams will struggle to recruit drivers and in turn promotion will struggle to have teams enter. Vaguely guessing what it might cost to host a teams champs isn't necessarily a cost clubs are able to handle and big time sponsors may not like their names being used in a different location every year with no guarantee of 12 top teams fronting. I like the idea its different and could be fun but as of today I struggle to see it as anything more then a good idea. Maybe a better organised version of the Rees shield could be on offer where holders must race for it every 6 weeks failing to do so gets it handed over to the challenger. Just my thoughts from another faceless internet profile. 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Thanks for your input Mudman. I started the thread out of curiosity and appreciate the pro and cons associated with running such an event. Perhaps some enterprizing future Promoter reading this forum will store the idea away in their brain box for another time |
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Post by meeaneemic on Feb 2, 2017 17:52:56 GMT 12
2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Sponsorship is vital but why would you start with only 2 teams!!! 2 teams would kill it before it even got off the ground running { might as well just have Nth vs Sth then } Todays World is about branding which is one of the reasons Palmy's team champs have become so successful ''Region of Origin'' could become it's own brand when done correctly Lets hope you are not trying to persecute individuals that love the sport ,teams race,and travel to which ever club ,they desire ,for reason,s they choose not to disclose (freedom of choice ) . There are many clubs throughout the regions that have low numbers of superstocks ,or even stockcars ,,. Region of Origin doesnt work in the sport of rugby ,and i honestly cant see it working in teams racing . Best of Luck .. 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Just thinking outside the square Midway. How you got to the possible conclusion of wondering if I am trying to "persecute" anyone is beyond me. I actually thought it would be a fun subject to discuss. Seeyou all at the Teams Champs where I promise to never mention the word Region again lol. Go the mighty Hawkeyes. |
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Post by Stumo on Feb 2, 2017 19:04:28 GMT 12
Well if we going off current residence...
Horowhenua...
2nzp Jordan Dare
10g Peter Rees
31g Gary Davis
126g Asher Rees
127g Ethan Rees
599v Ron Tye
Ace!
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Post by busterbell on Feb 2, 2017 23:18:40 GMT 12
Great idea but start with just two teams and emerge from that. If you pull that off then the following season include 3 and so on. I can't see it working without a few big corporate sponsors. 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Sponsorship is vital but why would you start with only 2 teams!!! 2 teams would kill it before it even got off the ground running { might as well just have Nth vs Sth then } Todays World is about branding which is one of the reasons Palmy's team champs have become so successful ''Region of Origin'' could become it's own brand when done correctly not poo pooing the idea, but who is going to stump up the cash to make it attractive and where is it going to come from?? Nelson tried to get a teams event going but it fell over due to lack of teams interest, availabilty, finance, and desire. While many others might like to get carried away with an idea some thought has to be put into the logistics to make it viable. |
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Post by meeaneemic on Feb 3, 2017 8:11:22 GMT 12
2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Sponsorship is vital but why would you start with only 2 teams!!! 2 teams would kill it before it even got off the ground running { might as well just have Nth vs Sth then } Todays World is about branding which is one of the reasons Palmy's team champs have become so successful ''Region of Origin'' could become it's own brand when done correctly not poo pooing the idea, but who is going to stump up the cash to make it attractive and where is it going to come from?? Nelson tried to get a teams event going but it fell over due to lack of teams interest, availabilty, finance, and desire. While many others might like to get carried away with an idea some thought has to be put into the logistics to make it viable. 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year Agreed, which is why forum's like this can be useful tools as they bring issues to the table that could be often over looked. |
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Post by midway on Feb 3, 2017 11:50:57 GMT 12
Just ask the promoters and promotion how hard it is to get teams to race in the Team Nationals ,held in Auckland at Waikaraka Park .
Often a few years back was a North Island select team ,to make up the numbers
You just could not thank Nelson tigers enough for there great effort over many years turning up ..
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