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Post by speedwayfan on Feb 5, 2017 9:26:50 GMT 12
Not according to the Promoter it's not. According to the programme it is.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2017 9:29:00 GMT 12
So even though the promoter phoned me and said it's 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd, and corrected a story (I think it was on stuff?) apparently the programme says it's A vs D and B vs C. Obviously there's been a communication breakdown in The Watu. Hopefully it can be sorted for next year so everybody is on the same page. I'll have sauce on my hotdogs and chips thanks m8 The error is that Bruce hasn't picked up that what goes in the programme is different to what he's saying it should be. You'll have to claim your hotdog and chips of the Palmerston North promotion haha Barry B
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2017 9:31:42 GMT 12
Not according to the Promoter it's not. According to the programme it is. Yes. See above. Barry B
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2017 9:35:12 GMT 12
So even though the promoter phoned me and said it's 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd, and corrected a story (I think it was on stuff?) apparently the programme says it's A vs D and B vs C. Obviously there's been a communication breakdown in The Watu. Hopefully it can be sorted for next year so everybody is on the same page. And would be nice to know exactly what is happening tonight. Also would be good to have some official explanation to some incidents last night. Eg: Stratford GB result reversal Some exact points breakdown on some of the races. Mostly due to poor announcer communication and viewing results on the big screen. i did notice on the stream dust kicked up by the lead Stratford car when diving inside a Team GB car entering turn 3 on the final lap and wondered then if there was something there that they would look at (camera angle didn't make it clear whether the car was over the pole line or not), but whether that was the infringement or not, I have no idea. Barry B
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2017 9:42:29 GMT 12
Those results show 591p as an exclusion from the final race, not a relegation. Strange. Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2017 9:43:00 GMT 12
And would be nice to know exactly what is happening tonight. Also would be good to have some official explanation to some incidents last night. Eg: Stratford GB result reversal Some exact points breakdown on some of the races. Mostly due to poor announcer communication and viewing results on the big screen. i did notice on the stream dust kicked up by the lead Stratford car when diving inside a Team GB car entering turn 3 on the final lap and wondered then if there was something there that they would look at (camera angle didn't make it clear whether the car was over the pole line or not), but whether that was the infringement or not, I have no idea. Barry B Exactly right Barry. Nearly all offences last night were to do with the pole line.
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Post by percy on Feb 5, 2017 10:17:44 GMT 12
One thing I will add to the discussion on night 1 is that the running of the event was a huge improvement on prior years.
Historically they've started late and the event has meandered on past 11:00pm. But not last night. First cars on track for hot laps at 7:01pm, urgency throughout the meeting on fence repairs and finishing just past 10:30pm, Great stuff.
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Post by Roxcyford on Feb 5, 2017 11:24:02 GMT 12
have to question the refs decision to eliminate the scrappers a chance to record their 6TH tems title with the gladiators victory included making them the 2nd winning team of all time what bugs me about this decision is 82s was relegated to 2nd for pole line infringement yet wayne hemi was excluded altogether for the same offence no consistency there wreaks of corrupt and bias in favour of the over seas team I only hope that the scrappers & mustangs appeal these decisions to get the consistency right
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Post by 888hsv on Feb 5, 2017 11:38:01 GMT 12
It was very hard to here in the grandstand coin tosses and who had won and couldn't here points being read out very often.....
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2017 11:45:40 GMT 12
have to question the refs decision to eliminate the scrappers a chance to record their 6TH tems title with the gladiators victory included making them the 2nd winning team of all time what bugs me about this decision is 82s was relegated to 2nd for pole line infringement yet wayne hemi was excluded altogether for the same offence no consistency there wreaks of corrupt and bias in favour of the over seas team I only hope that the scrappers & mustangs appeal these decisions to get the consistency right Each race and offence has to be considered in context. The last thing the ref wants to do is ruin a driver's or team's night. I forget the exact details with regards the Mustangs race but part of the consideration was the fact 591p was a lap up on the next placing cars and when the flag dropped on 591p the cars that were being held back by opposition cars were released.
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Post by 888hsv on Feb 5, 2017 12:08:44 GMT 12
My review of night 1 was that it felt very intense and fast.....the track was mint the races were just fast and some thing was happening in every part of the track in each race which made it hard to keep a track on who was where in procedings hence not always giving all the placings....
Tigers v Wildcats once Mooney was out that was the end of the race wildcats to strong. Busters v Giants this was a great tussle between 2 good teams but Giants looked in control at all times.
Scrappers v GB Lions I pick this to be an upset by the scrappers and it almost was good trams race with plenty of action..
Allstars v Hawkeyes Allstars were the underdogs and they held their own gave Hawkeyes a good run for there money ... the difference is seat time with experience and team consistency of the same team members..... Allstars get better..
Panthers v Tigers I really enjoyed this race as Tigers had nothing to lose and you could see that ... Panthers looked good but would need to improve
Rebels v Busters action packed race with lead changing a number of times with some brutal hits.... Rebels win
Gleneagles v Scrappers good tussle Gleneagles are improving scrappers win
Mustangs v Allstars this was a very close race with Allstars almost getting the upset of the night.... Mustangs had all drivers on the won car going for their victory lap.Allstars really put some brutal hits on with 23a rolling the 971p who at that stage had a 2 lap lead over 2nd place.... Allstars looked really good which bodes well for team's at WP in march.
Wildcats v Panthers good race but panthers to strong for the win
Giants v Rebels this was an awesome race and both had there chances but once again Giants to strong.
GB Lions v Gleneagles GB to strong with fwj going into blocking mode tying up 16c up the wall and 23c on the back straight in front of the grandstand
Hawkeyes v Mustangs what a last race action a plenty ... while 87b was leading made what I believe was a ultimately a fatal decision to run along the wall on the front to pass 971p who kindly despatched him onto his side and out. At that stage that was the end of the hawkeyes defending their title.... but as we now know they will now fight to defend it.... tonight is mouth watering can't wa it. ...
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2017 12:18:37 GMT 12
have to question the refs decision to eliminate the scrappers a chance to record their 6TH tems title with the gladiators victory included making them the 2nd winning team of all time what bugs me about this decision is 82s was relegated to 2nd for pole line infringement yet wayne hemi was excluded altogether for the same offence no consistency there wreaks of corrupt and bias in favour of the over seas team I only hope that the scrappers & mustangs appeal these decisions to get the consistency right Each race and offence has to be considered in context. The last thing the ref wants to do is ruin a driver's or team's night. I forget the exact details with regards the Mustangs race but part of the consideration was the fact 591p was a lap up on the next placing cars and when the flag dropped on 591p the cars that were being held back by opposition cars were released. That just seems wierd. In both cases an opposition car was second, a 1-spot relegation handing the win to the other team. Roxy is complaining about The Scrappers chances being harmed by a 1-spot relegation, but The Mustangs were hit harder. Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2017 12:31:05 GMT 12
Each race and offence has to be considered in context. The last thing the ref wants to do is ruin a driver's or team's night. I forget the exact details with regards the Mustangs race but part of the consideration was the fact 591p was a lap up on the next placing cars and when the flag dropped on 591p the cars that were being held back by opposition cars were released. That just seems wierd. In both cases an opposition car was second, handing the win to the other team. Roxy is complaining about The Scrappers chances being harmed by a 1-spot relegation, but The Mustangs were hit harder. Barry B like I said I don't recall the exact detail but it was along those lines with the fact the other cars were a lap down and no chance to finish their 10th lap under battle conditions.I guess it will come out clearer in the aftermath
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Post by midway on Feb 5, 2017 13:31:35 GMT 12
why dont they video each race from start to finish ?give the result as it finishes as provisional ,then a small team of refs watch the race for infringements ,then give out the final result .Safe guards all the speculation etc .Similar to horse racing ,then also it may reduce those blazing there Guns and just come out smelling the Roses ..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 13:53:22 GMT 12
why dont they video each race from start to finish ?give the result as it finishes as provisional ,then a small team of refs watch the race for infringements ,then give out the final result .Safe guards all the speculation etc .Similar to horse racing ,then also it may reduce those blazing there Guns and just come out smelling the Roses .. I think if you're going to forensically study every single car in every single race you would find everyone at some stage committing an offence that COULD result in exclusion or relegation. Offsetting penalties excluded, the final official result would almost always be a lot different to what we see on the track. The sport shouldn't be ref'd at 32 frames per second.
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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 5, 2017 14:03:48 GMT 12
Each race and offence has to be considered in context. The last thing the ref wants to do is ruin a driver's or team's night. I forget the exact details with regards the Mustangs race but part of the consideration was the fact 591p was a lap up on the next placing cars and when the flag dropped on 591p the cars that were being held back by opposition cars were released. That just seems wierd. In both cases an opposition car was second, a 1-spot relegation handing the win to the other team. Roxy is complaining about The Scrappers chances being harmed by a 1-spot relegation, but The Mustangs were hit harder. Barry B I thought it looked like the 82s car had 1 wheel over the pole line going into turn 3....but 591p had all 4 wheels on the grass when 16b pushed him on the grass in front of the grandstand and Hemi never bailed out of it ( there was another 2 cars involved )....Maybe its a different punishment for 1 wheel over to having 4 wheels over ?
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Post by midway on Feb 5, 2017 14:13:11 GMT 12
Rammers has woken Yes Squire i never gave it a thought for one minute that forensic examination would be considered ,and at 32 frames per second ,but there has to a better standard to insure each team has been given the right decision competing in that particular race ..your eyesight could be impaired ,and with the wrong decision made ,youre not racing for a feed at Mr Changs ,the stakes are much higher
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 5, 2017 16:30:20 GMT 12
Stratford didnt desevre to win. Really terrible race reading by block cars. I dont mind that resualt. The hawke eyes were a better team. But made way to many mistakes. And dont desevre to be at night two because of it. Mustrangs can feel very upset and hard done by. Yes wayne made a mistake but if they had of completely held 16b up and he recorded a dnf then they go through. Hope that gets over turned tonight!
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Post by beachboy on Feb 5, 2017 17:02:19 GMT 12
Maybe Mr Macgor can shed some light on who the Referees are? or where they are from. I'm sure there's lots of speedway fans who would like to know? Peter Rees will tell you who is really in charge at the end of the day.
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Post by jaguar on Feb 5, 2017 17:38:41 GMT 12
Maybe Mr Macgor can shed some light on who the Referees are? or where they are from. I'm sure there's lots of speedway fans who would like to know? Peter Rees will tell you who is really in charge at the end of the day. Are you after a signed T Shirt beachboy
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