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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2017 8:33:54 GMT 12
more uninformed dribble. Many drivers are warned about pole line errors or have a penalty applied. Not every pole line incursion is cheating or worthy of severe punishment. We don't hear about every official action either. I wasnt saying it was cheating or worthy of penalty , just stating that it happens everywhere .. but you were accusing officials of bias when it suits. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 8:36:48 GMT 12
I wasnt saying it was cheating or worthy of penalty , just stating that it happens everywhere .. but you were accusing officials of bias when it suits. I wouldnt be the first one lol.. |
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Post by Tony on Feb 6, 2017 9:11:26 GMT 12
127g ran over the 3 minutes but allowed to still race. Hmm... Set your watch at most meetings when drivers ask for 3 min bell. Im willing to bet that most go well past it . Not only at Palmy but at most tracks.. Another one is pole line cutting , you can go to most tracks and see cars cutting the pole line on a regular basis but nothing is said by officials but they seem to keep that rule up their sleeves for a bias call when it suits. In this case, on the big screen you could clearly see the official at the pit gate make a "time's up" signal before 127G's bonnet had been replaced. That was around 30 seconds after the infield commentator said there were 20 seconds left to go on the watch. It certainly seemed odd that 127G was then allwed to race, because from the video screen there was some pretty convincing evidence that his car was not race-ready (i.e. bonnet securely in place) at the expiry of the three minutes. As it was, it had no bearing on the final outcome. Hawkes Bay and the GB Lions were absolutely brilliant in their respective semi-finals in what were two of the best teams races I have ever seen (and I go back to a point well before the first Teams Champs  ) |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 6, 2017 10:43:34 GMT 12
Set your watch at most meetings when drivers ask for 3 min bell. Im willing to bet that most go well past it . Not only at Palmy but at most tracks.. Another one is pole line cutting , you can go to most tracks and see cars cutting the pole line on a regular basis but nothing is said by officials but they seem to keep that rule up their sleeves for a bias call when it suits. more uninformed dribble. Many drivers are warned about pole line errors or have a penalty applied. Not every pole line incursion is cheating or worthy of severe punishment. We don't hear about every official action either. There as also an interview/rules explanation segment filmed at the Square with Ross Thurston on Saturday that was played before racing started on Sunday where he said that they won't ping every infringement, but would instead only punish when an advantage was gained, for example making a pass on the grass |
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Post by penman on Feb 6, 2017 11:00:58 GMT 12
Set your watch at most meetings when drivers ask for 3 min bell. Im willing to bet that most go well past it . Not only at Palmy but at most tracks.. Another one is pole line cutting , you can go to most tracks and see cars cutting the pole line on a regular basis but nothing is said by officials but they seem to keep that rule up their sleeves for a bias call when it suits. more uninformed dribble. Many drivers are warned about pole line errors or have a penalty applied. Not every pole line incursion is cheating or worthy of severe punishment. We don't hear about every official action either. Agreed Gordon. It's almost a case of yellow card/red card depending on the severity of the infraction. Some may only get a refs warning - like any other sort I suspect. One wheel v four wheels over the pole line - there's a huge difference. Passing a car under the pole v running in clear track v getting a car back under control - again, huge differences. Cutting a corner to take another competitor out v running side-by-side and battling through a corner - the same again. It's not bias (in most cases); it's referee discretion - and it happens in every sport. |
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Post by Roxcyford on Feb 6, 2017 11:37:29 GMT 12
so with Waitangi day on Tuesday next year we revert back to Friday/Saturday correct  |
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Post by meeaneemic on Feb 6, 2017 11:39:01 GMT 12
Set your watch at most meetings when drivers ask for 3 min bell. Im willing to bet that most go well past it . Not only at Palmy but at most tracks.. Another one is pole line cutting , you can go to most tracks and see cars cutting the pole line on a regular basis but nothing is said by officials but they seem to keep that rule up their sleeves for a bias call when it suits. In this case, on the big screen you could clearly see the official at the pit gate make a "time's up" signal before 127G's bonnet had been replaced. That was around 30 seconds after the infield commentator said there were 20 seconds left to go on the watch. It certainly seemed odd that 127G was then allwed to race, because from the video screen there was some pretty convincing evidence that his car was not race-ready (i.e. bonnet securely in place) at the expiry of the three minutes. As it was, it had no bearing on the final outcome. Hawkes Bay and the GB Lions were absolutely brilliant in their respective semi-finals in what were two of the best teams races I have ever seen (and I go back to a point well before the first Teams Champs ) 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year I would like to see a 3 min countdown clock on the big screen if it can be calibrated to the officials stopwatch. From what both Malcolm and I saw the 127 was timed out no question. |
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Post by Tony on Feb 6, 2017 11:44:00 GMT 12
In this case, on the big screen you could clearly see the official at the pit gate make a "time's up" signal before 127G's bonnet had been replaced. That was around 30 seconds after the infield commentator said there were 20 seconds left to go on the watch. It certainly seemed odd that 127G was then allwed to race, because from the video screen there was some pretty convincing evidence that his car was not race-ready (i.e. bonnet securely in place) at the expiry of the three minutes. As it was, it had no bearing on the final outcome. Hawkes Bay and the GB Lions were absolutely brilliant in their respective semi-finals in what were two of the best teams races I have ever seen (and I go back to a point well before the first Teams Champs ) 2016 SNZ Commentator of the year I would like to see a 3 min countdown clock on the big screen if it can be calibrated to the officials stopwatch. From what both Malcolm and I saw the 127 was timed out no question. That tallies with what almost every spectator in the house saw and heard Mike. Even when the cars were gridding up, it seemed that there was going to be an attempt made to remove 127G from the track, but one can only conclude that a Higher Power with the Midas SNZ touch ruled that he could race. It made no difference, of course, as the GB Lions smashed the G |
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Post by kevin888 on Feb 6, 2017 11:44:38 GMT 12
first time I have seen it before start of a teams race that a car be towed by the tow truck to pit gate to get a 3 minute
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Post by mordecai on Feb 6, 2017 11:49:37 GMT 12
so with Waitangi day on Tuesday next year we revert back to Friday/Saturday correct no incorrect next year is sat 3rd sun 4th feb that's what was in the teams programme |
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Post by wildside on Feb 6, 2017 11:51:18 GMT 12
Great idea... In championships the timer usually starts when crew lands on track surface ie. jump over the pit gate ... One car pulls up easy to do ,but if multipule cars pull up like at teams , it becomes a lil bit more difficult to police ... Unless each team just gets 3 mins regardless of car numbers , an starts when first crew member touches the clay  It is a great dynamic that adds to the hype for the crowd |
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Post by kevin888 on Feb 6, 2017 11:56:46 GMT 12
Great idea... In championships the timer usually starts when crew lands on track surface ie. jump over the pit gate ... One car pulls up easy to do ,but if multipule cars pull up like at teams , it becomes a lil bit more difficult to police ... Unless each team just gets 3 mins regardless of car numbers , an starts when first crew member touches the clay It is a great dynamic that adds to the hype for the crowd should that have included when the tow truck hook the car up and towed it length of the track to get to pit gate? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 12:03:26 GMT 12
Great idea... In championships the timer usually starts when crew lands on track surface ie. jump over the pit gate ... One car pulls up easy to do ,but if multipule cars pull up like at teams , it becomes a lil bit more difficult to police ... Unless each team just gets 3 mins regardless of car numbers , an starts when first crew member touches the clay It is a great dynamic that adds to the hype for the crowd There is 1 three min bell per race, not per car. If a car arrives at the gate at minute 2 he gets 1 minute. They normally hold the Crews back to let everyone get to the gate. Then start the watch when the crews get the go ahead. |
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Post by Roxcyford on Feb 6, 2017 12:07:04 GMT 12
so with Waitangi day on Tuesday next year we revert back to Friday/Saturday correct no incorrect next year is sat 3rd sun 4th feb that's what was in the teams programme thanks mordecai wasn,t there so didn,t have a programme but big call with Monday being a work day will be lots of sicky,s thrown that day  |
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Post by pfloyd on Feb 6, 2017 12:12:14 GMT 12
2016 SNZ Commentator of the year I would like to see a 3 min countdown clock on the big screen if it can be calibrated to the officials stopwatch. From what both Malcolm and I saw the 127 was timed out no question. That tallies with what almost every spectator in the house saw and heard Mike. Even when the cars were gridding up, it seemed that there was going to be an attempt made to remove 127G from the track, but one can only conclude that a Higher Power with the Midas SNZ touch ruled that he could race. It made no difference, of course, as the GB Lions smashed the G I am quite surprised at the silence on this issue from a number of critics of the palmy promotion. Rees was at the far end of the track when he was crippled and was only ever going to get to the pit gate with tow truck assistance(outside assistance must not start until the green flag drops ?). Add that to the plainly obvious over time to correct the problem and you have fertile ground for those who indulge in conspiricy theories on this forum. This thread would be up to about page 10 by now if he had a p after his number. Awesome nights racing with the bay's win over the panthers one of the best. |
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Post by wildside on Feb 6, 2017 12:16:56 GMT 12
Great idea... In championships the timer usually starts when crew lands on track surface ie. jump over the pit gate ... One car pulls up easy to do ,but if multipule cars pull up like at teams , it becomes a lil bit more difficult to police ... Unless each team just gets 3 mins regardless of car numbers , an starts when first crew member touches the clay It is a great dynamic that adds to the hype for the crowd should that have included when the tow truck hook the car up and towed it length of the track to get to pit gate? in my eyes you should have to make the track under your own power, I agree with you .. Also using tow truck to change tyre or springs rates is outside assistance too which is a grey area |
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Post by wildside on Feb 6, 2017 12:19:13 GMT 12
Great idea... In championships the timer usually starts when crew lands on track surface ie. jump over the pit gate ... One car pulls up easy to do ,but if multipule cars pull up like at teams , it becomes a lil bit more difficult to police ... Unless each team just gets 3 mins regardless of car numbers , an starts when first crew member touches the clay It is a great dynamic that adds to the hype for the crowd There is 1 three min bell per race, not per car. If a car arrives at the gate at minute 2 he gets 1 minute. They normally hold the Crews back to let everyone get to the gate. Then start the watch when the crews get the go ahead. thanks for clarification , then some cars probably should have been excluded in that case? |
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Post by mrsbrown on Feb 6, 2017 12:22:45 GMT 12
That tallies with what almost every spectator in the house saw and heard Mike. Even when the cars were gridding up, it seemed that there was going to be an attempt made to remove 127G from the track, but one can only conclude that a Higher Power with the Midas SNZ touch ruled that he could race. It made no difference, of course, as the GB Lions smashed the G I am quite surprised at the silence on this issue from a number of critics of the palmy promotion. Rees was at the far end of the track when he was crippled and was only ever going to get to the pit gate with tow truck assistance(outside assistance must not start until the green flag drops ?). Add that to the plainly obvious over time to correct the problem and you have fertile ground for those who indulge in conspiricy theories on this forum. This thread would be up to about page 10 by now if he had a p after his number. Awesome nights racing with the bay's win over the panthers one of the best. Correct pfloyd they were only doing warm up laps & don't come under Jurisdiction of the referee's until the track is handed over to them from the Clerk of the Course |
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Post by splinta67 on Feb 6, 2017 12:29:34 GMT 12
Great idea... In championships the timer usually starts when crew lands on track surface ie. jump over the pit gate ... One car pulls up easy to do ,but if multipule cars pull up like at teams , it becomes a lil bit more difficult to police ... Unless each team just gets 3 mins regardless of car numbers , an starts when first crew member touches the clay It is a great dynamic that adds to the hype for the crowd There is 1 three min bell per race, not per car. If a car arrives at the gate at minute 2 he gets 1 minute. They normally hold the Crews back to let everyone get to the gate. Then start the watch when the crews get the go ahead. Can you quote a rule number for this? As I cant find it |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 12:34:48 GMT 12
thanks for clarification , then some cars probably should have been excluded in that case? Its an interesting one, knowing what I know, which is no more than what your average fan in the stands saw & heard, Rees Jr wouldn't have started if I was in charge. A couple of others of note, the tow truck ride wasn't a problem in my eyes. outside assistance is by implication allowed before the drop off the green. A car just needs to make the track under its own power to get the time. Which obviously he did. The most interesting one was on night 1 with Hemi travelling to the pit gates under reds. If he was given the go ahead by an infield official, then no problem. Here is where it gets tricky tho and the fact he didn't start makes it a moot point but.... The race hasn't started so there is no race infringement to deal with, the ref was in charge of the track cause the gates were closed, but I beleive yellows should have been thrown. Again that's hypothetical cause they weren't, it went red. I beleive a fine would have been appropriate in this case, again if he (hemi) wasn't instructed to move by an official. |
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