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Post by percy on Feb 26, 2017 12:28:09 GMT 12
That was without a doubt the worst stream i've ever seen. I hope they dont get the rights next year! If they had a previous bad history of providing a sub standard stream, I am not sure why the Gisborne club would give them the rights to stream when Video Hub also quoted to do the Streaming. Maybe they offered the Gisborne Club a bigger carrot? I hope it was an up front fee for the rights to Stream because there won't be much left to split up once they pay out all the refunds! Don't get me wrong, Video Hub can also make stuff ups but do have a history of producing a reasonable stream. Video Hub has been contracted to do next weekends Auckland Teams Champs Nationals for those who can't make it to the track. Last year they produced a reasonable stream. It wasn't up to Pits TV or Videohub standard but they charged $20 and produced a value for money stream. Advance a year, up goes the price and they produce something that couldn't be called a stream, fail to communicate and when they finally communicate produce excuses and outright lies. The people I feel sorry for are Videohub and Pits TV. I wonder how many people burned this weekend are going to stream from Waikaraka Park next weekend? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 12:36:35 GMT 12
it used to be that the satellite that was booked did an extra loop round the sun and we missed it..or got taken out by aliens, or that the dish was sabotaged or the wind was blowing the wrong for the signal to make it to the mast where it would be fired off into outter space, now its because its the wrong copper in the lines,, your suposed to be using copper from the Chino open-pit copper mine in New Mexico, and they thought they had that, they must have accidentally got some copper line from Chalcopyrite in Peru..yep that would explain it. some dirty bugga must have know what they wanted it for and did the ol switcheroo...just to frick us all up..."oh jeez out of our control" the streamers can claim in all certainty...funny thing you know but anything else i download or watch coming down the copper lines runs sweet as...the copper industry has a lot to answer for..
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 26, 2017 12:50:48 GMT 12
Streaming on copper line is perfect As long as that copper pair they r using is testing good And its not big distance from the adsl feed fron xch or cabinet out on the road Gisbourne speedway surely would have checked their connect rates to the router streaming the event? prior ?And the wire from the chourus demarc into the building is good etc But who knows It was rubbish stream
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Post by sonic33 on Feb 26, 2017 18:58:00 GMT 12
well regardless of which mics were working or not the early commentary was horrendous and childish. Even if not a great option, Mal and Ramjam should have been on the working mics, even if it took away the roving option, that was not really an option |
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Post by Tapped on Feb 26, 2017 23:02:46 GMT 12
Just got an email, saying i'll be getting a full refund. That'll help with the teams natinals.
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Post by Tapped on Feb 26, 2017 23:06:11 GMT 12
If they had a previous bad history of providing a sub standard stream, I am not sure why the Gisborne club would give them the rights to stream when Video Hub also quoted to do the Streaming. Maybe they offered the Gisborne Club a bigger carrot? I hope it was an up front fee for the rights to Stream because there won't be much left to split up once they pay out all the refunds! Don't get me wrong, Video Hub can also make stuff ups but do have a history of producing a reasonable stream. Video Hub has been contracted to do next weekends Auckland Teams Champs Nationals for those who can't make it to the track. Last year they produced a reasonable stream. It wasn't up to Pits TV or Videohub standard but they charged $20 and produced a value for money stream. Advance a year, up goes the price and they produce something that couldn't be called a stream, fail to communicate and when they finally communicate produce excuses and outright lies. The people I feel sorry for are Videohub and Pits TV. I wonder how many people burned this weekend are going to stream from Waikaraka Park next weekend? If the promised refund appears i'll more than likely get the teams nationals........if the promised refund appears...... |
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Post by Dirtinmybeer on Feb 27, 2017 6:34:48 GMT 12
Credit where credit is due. Just got an email from PayPal saying I would be getting a refund. While absolutely worthy of a refund, I think it is worth acknowledging that they have actually come through with it which at least shows some integrity on their behalf. Like many, I have had a lot of dodgy livestreams (none quite as bad as this though) and never got a refund so full respect to these guys. STM could learn something from these guys TBH
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Post by Jase2 on Feb 27, 2017 9:09:49 GMT 12
Streaming on copper line is perfect As long as that copper pair they r using is testing good And its not big distance from the adsl feed fron xch or cabinet out on the road Gisbourne speedway surely would have checked their connect rates to the router streaming the event? prior ?And the wire from the chourus demarc into the building is good etc But who knows It was rubbish stream are you serious??? |
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Post by Jase2 on Feb 27, 2017 9:29:43 GMT 12
Streaming on copper line is perfect As long as that copper pair they r using is testing good And its not big distance from the adsl feed fron xch or cabinet out on the road Gisbourne speedway surely would have checked their connect rates to the router streaming the event? prior ?And the wire from the chourus demarc into the building is good etc But who knows It was rubbish stream are you serious??? Streaming over a copper line through ADSL can only get a maximum upload speedway of 1mbs and adsl in this country very rarely sees a 1mbs upload. The only way to get a good speed off copper is to have VDSL and once again that is dependant on many factors .. Less than 900 metres from cabinet etc.. This speed varies and in some cases can be no better than an adsl connection. Heres fact for you: Streaming requires a minimum of 1.6mbs to sustain a good 720p at 25fps HD stream which can have no drops. That means 1.6mps constant. The Pits TV when using the Sat system can only get a maximum upload speedway of 1.8mps and have mastered the art of sustaining high quality streams with this speed. They do not have the luxury of fibre speeds or even adsl at any tracks with the exception of Nelson. Whats also notable on this is that streaming off a satellite in the South Island is way harder as the North is far closer to the Satellite we use. Videohub have fibre in most places they go and I cannot speak for what it is they do. The Pits TV use local NZ servers which means a stream doesnt have to go overseas first to a server there and then come back to New Zealand like most steaming companies do. This eliminates potential issues with to many places to go before you get to watch it. Cleeng is a company that look after the money side of streaming. Its a gateway to link you into the servers we use after you pay. Its way easier to get these guys to look after that side as they are also good at looking for morons that try to steal our product. Sadly, this is still happening. The science of streaming is quite technical, so trying to keep it basic is not so easy. At Gisborne they had a 26mbs upload speed and I know exactly what happened, but its not for me to say. Streaming is a challenge and when we first started streaming... it was a f..up .. but no expense has been spared to get it right. I have a huge infrastructure in place to insure we can deliver the very best we can.. but it doesnt always go 100% right. Just today we are implementing a back up system to the one we use in a what if scenario ... |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 27, 2017 10:29:55 GMT 12
Does not the promoter regulate the upload speed for the livestream from their tracks.
After all , its all about bums on seats.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 27, 2017 11:36:10 GMT 12
Does not the promoter regulate the upload speed for the livestream from their tracks. After all , its all about bums on seats. Coin in the coffers is better. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 12:53:14 GMT 12
At Gisborne they had a 26mbs upload speed and I know exactly what happened, but its not for me to say. Go on! tell us, lets put this to bed.
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Post by Jase2 on Feb 27, 2017 13:39:09 GMT 12
Does not the promoter regulate the upload speed for the livestream from their tracks. After all , its all about bums on seats. Coin in the coffers is better. Uninformed information I see If done correctly, live streaming can be beneficial to the club and to the paying public. I can tell you now the only people that live stream speedway are actually speedway people. And true speedway people,would rather be at an event than not because you cannot replicate the taste, the smell of the atmosphere of speedway on a live stream. In particular, The pits TV are very careful what they stream as we do not want to saturate the market with average streams. It has to be big NZ titles and big promotional events... This year we have done 3 major nz titles and at all the places we were at, the places were full to capacity, but also, the clubs were able to cater for people that couldn't genuinely make it by being able to sit back and watch a quality live stream of the event. They were also able to make some good money to put back into their clubs. The pits tv paid out just under 10k to just a couple of clubs in the month of January ...I'm sure that will help their coffers :-) We have filmed just on 30 shows this year and have streamed just 4 meetings... i can assure you that all of these clubs are happy with what happened on track as well,as what happened off it . Jase |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 13:44:41 GMT 12
so you are pits tv? and not the folks involved with this last weekends stream? why are you answering on behalf of the the stream crowd from the weekend? why are you getting involved at all...or is the pits tv the same crowd who streamed this weekend?
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Post by Jase2 on Feb 27, 2017 13:50:26 GMT 12
so you are pits tv? and not the folks involved with this last weekends stream? why are you answering on behalf of the the stream crowd from the weekend? why are you getting involved at all...or is the pits tv the same crowd who streamed this weekend? Yes I am the pits tv .. no we didn't stream from Gisborne .... no I am not associated with the crowd that streamed in the weekend... however, they do have links to our streams on their web site... and am giving a little insight into how streaming works from a supplier point of view ... and to try and clear up any confusion in relation to some comments that have been made .... seeing that this is a message board that allows opinions ..I'm just having mine |
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Post by Admin on Feb 27, 2017 14:16:34 GMT 12
so you are pits tv? and not the folks involved with this last weekends stream? why are you answering on behalf of the the stream crowd from the weekend? why are you getting involved at all...or is the pits tv the same crowd who streamed this weekend? Less aggression and more comprehension may mean your membership on here will stay active longer this time round. |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 27, 2017 17:11:31 GMT 12
Coin in the coffers is better. Uninformed information I see If done correctly, live streaming can be beneficial to the club and to the paying public. I can tell you now the only people that live stream speedway are actually speedway people. And true speedway people,would rather be at an event than not because you cannot replicate the taste, the smell of the atmosphere of speedway on a live stream. In particular, The pits TV are very careful what they stream as we do not want to saturate the market with average streams. It has to be big NZ titles and big promotional events... This year we have done 3 major nz titles and at all the places we were at, the places were full to capacity, but also, the clubs were able to cater for people that couldn't genuinely make it by being able to sit back and watch a quality live stream of the event. They were also able to make some good money to put back into their clubs. The pits tv paid out just under 10k to just a couple of clubs in the month of January ...I'm sure that will help their coffers :-) We have filmed just on 30 shows this year and have streamed just 4 meetings... i can assure you that all of these clubs are happy with what happened on track as well,as what happened off it . Jase You may have picked up the stick by the wrong end Jase. You've taken my point back to front. Bums on seats is what a lot of people think is the bees knee, but having a stream that turns over(for example) the same amount is just as beneficial. Palmy Teams is a classic example. Gisborne is only going to get a certain person coming, pick up the others on stream. This is extra income (coin in the coffers) Saturday was as full as I've seen that place in a while. Superstocks may have been bigger, stocks next year will be standing room only. |
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Post by Jase2 on Feb 27, 2017 17:38:46 GMT 12
Uninformed information I see If done correctly, live streaming can be beneficial to the club and to the paying public. I can tell you now the only people that live stream speedway are actually speedway people. And true speedway people,would rather be at an event than not because you cannot replicate the taste, the smell of the atmosphere of speedway on a live stream. In particular, The pits TV are very careful what they stream as we do not want to saturate the market with average streams. It has to be big NZ titles and big promotional events... This year we have done 3 major nz titles and at all the places we were at, the places were full to capacity, but also, the clubs were able to cater for people that couldn't genuinely make it by being able to sit back and watch a quality live stream of the event. They were also able to make some good money to put back into their clubs. The pits tv paid out just under 10k to just a couple of clubs in the month of January ...I'm sure that will help their coffers :-) We have filmed just on 30 shows this year and have streamed just 4 meetings... i can assure you that all of these clubs are happy with what happened on track as well,as what happened off it . Jase You may have picked up the stick by the wrong end Jase. You've taken my point back to front. Bums on seats is what a lot of people think is the bees knee, but having a stream that turns over(for example) the same amount is just as beneficial. Palmy Teams is a classic example. Gisborne is only going to get a certain person coming, pick up the others on stream. This is extra income (coin in the coffers) Saturday was as full as I've seen that place in a while. Superstocks may have been bigger, stocks next year will be standing room only. My apologise ... |
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Post by percy on Feb 27, 2017 20:16:19 GMT 12
Thanks for your expertise Jase
Speedway Live got to the right result in the end with a full refund and hopefully learned a thing or two in the PR department along the way
I do hope punters aren't scared off by this experience and continue to support streaming
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 17:24:12 GMT 12
havent seen a refund for friday nights debacle yet.
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