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Post by 4zfed on Feb 10, 2018 16:08:33 GMT 12
That selection policy is a joke. Palmy have no balls. If a guy being selected for a rugby team said it’s both of us instead of one I’m sure they’d say sweet see ya later then. The sport will always be full of back scratchers until refs selectors and promoters grow some balls and make some tough calls. It also happened when 1NZ got pushed onto the grass then seen vickery coming who was lead car at time and drove straight off middle of turn and had a go at him in mid turn 1 and 2. I have also seen 591 with a go pro in for teams weekend. I bet you my life that footage would of vanished into thin air. Wayne Hemi won this years Manawatu Superstock Champs and came 3rd at the World 240's this year. His car has been fast and reliable. Who would you have selected in his place? bearing in mind that Chev and Gavin may have wanted to race together. Scott or Adam Joblin . Both streets ahead of Hemi..[/quote] The selectors chose what they thought was the best combination and banked the win, well done them. [/quote] Well said Mr Macgor. Scott Joblin has not been in great form Teams racing the last couple of seasons. Selectors had the right 5 guys on form & experience. That Mustangs team promised so much on paper & didnt deliver. None of them did enough to warrant Hemi's spot over the weekend. Anyway this is going round in circles-are next years tickets on sale yet? |
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Post by percy on Feb 10, 2018 16:18:17 GMT 12
Those advocating a team disqualification need to think about the wider implication of such a penalty. Teams racing would turn into a mockery. A hit off the grass on lap 2 and the red flag would come out and the race over. Team disqualified!! Team disqualifications are the ultimate penalty and should only be applied when an illegal act materially affects the outcome of a teams race. A good example would be a hit off the grass on the race leader with two laps to go. In this instance the race, as a contest, was over. The Brits were done and dusted, destined for the consolation play-offs. Hemi's disciplinary record is totally irrelevant to the penalty applied. All that matters are the facts of the incident. Hemi's disciplinary record is a matter for the team selectors. With Hemi you get an experienced driver who has enjoyed massive success in teams racing. You also get the odd moment of "why did he do that?". A team disqualification would have been an over-reaction. I believe the officials got this one right. so taking out a pom car not in the running you think is ok I disagree that car never moved again denying him of any chance og getting a few points that could have got the poms in the 3rd 4th place race also denied him anychance of taking out the lead car of the panthers so to me that had a huge impact on the race result and in my own opinion I felt this was worse than last year
No I don't think it's ok. I agree with the punishment handed down to the driver which was not insignificant. |
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Post by zoom on Feb 10, 2018 17:33:26 GMT 12
for the last few years i do not rate joblins as teams races they only flag racers but they do not block they don't deserve to be in the panthers and chev does not want to be in the same team was will i know that for a fact so my future team for the Panthers 1NZ 3NZ 88P 591p 971p that will be the unbeatable team and my pic for the mustangs 2nz 71p 75p 175p 661p
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Post by go29 on Feb 10, 2018 19:33:52 GMT 12
for the last few years i do not rate joblins as teams races they only flag racers but they do not block they don't deserve to be in the panthers and chev does not want to be in the same team was will i know that for a fact so my future team for the Panthers 1NZ 3NZ 88P 591p 971p that will be the unbeatable team and my pic for the mustangs 2nz 71p 75p 175p 661p 661p is getting out of the sport at the end of this season. |
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Post by The Observer on Feb 10, 2018 20:03:15 GMT 12
The sport needs the good guys and the bad guys
Gives us plenty to talk about, and nothing like a bit of controversy
And what's teams racing without the red mist
I reckon red waka would have got a pass if he' d stayed contracted to Wellington
Let's also not forget he won a heap of titles before this with the panthers so has been here done that.
Full credit too him for turning up with 3 cars.
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Post by greenhornet on Feb 11, 2018 8:12:28 GMT 12
Hi everyone
Just some facts- Chev and myself do not come as a pair, yes we are stoked to be in the same team, but we do not demand anything from the selectors. We go where we are told. Chev was more than happy to race with William.
Gavin Taniwha
Taniwha Motorsport
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Post by tank11 on Feb 11, 2018 8:54:02 GMT 12
Hi everyone
Just some facts- Chev and myself do not come as a pair, yes we are stoked to be in the same team, but we do not demand anything from the selectors. We go where we are told. Chev was more than happy to race with William.
Gavin Taniwha
Taniwha Motorsport
But you are a pair Gav, a great pair. Anyone would be happy to have you , either as a pair or singularly. Just lovely to watch. |
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Feb 11, 2018 10:32:41 GMT 12
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Post by spdwayorthehway on Feb 11, 2018 10:32:41 GMT 12
I'm in two minds. Yes wasn't the LEAD car, true. BUT he could have taken out the Palmy lead car later, IF this hadn't happened(?) Yea I reckon he took a fall for the team securing their win and handing the final to the reserve. Atleast this answers a question before the meeting, "can a reserve be used other than an injury". |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2018 12:01:00 GMT 12
I'm in two minds. Yes wasn't the LEAD car, true. BUT he could have taken out the Palmy lead car later, IF this hadn't happened(?) Yea I reckon he took a fall for the team securing their win and handing the final to the reserve. Atleast this answers a question before the meeting, "can a reserve be used other than an injury". Their reserve (6th) driver still didn't race though. He only drove the 591p out and onto the infield. Was that just for show? Barry B |
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Post by southsuperstock on Feb 11, 2018 13:53:00 GMT 12
Yea I reckon he took a fall for the team securing their win and handing the final to the reserve. Atleast this answers a question before the meeting, "can a reserve be used other than an injury". Their reserve (6th) driver still didn't race though. He only drove the 591p out and onto the infield. Was that just for show? Barry B The 6th driver can only be used in the event of one of the starting lineup competitors being injured, or at risk to continue, as determined by the Team Manager or Steward. The injured driver is out of the title In this case, the 6th driver shouldn't have even been alowed to drive out the gate, as Wayne wasnt injured. |
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Feb 11, 2018 13:58:10 GMT 12
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Post by keith655 on Feb 11, 2018 13:58:10 GMT 12
Well Wayne Hemi managed to do this last Teams champs
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2018 14:15:13 GMT 12
Well Wayne Hemi managed to do this last Teams champs I'm not sure Wayne Hemi managed to do anything really, other than have Jason Long turn in front of him. Then he just kept his right foot buried...which leads us right back to the main topic of this thread. |
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Post by Go Slideways on Feb 11, 2018 14:39:41 GMT 12
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2018 14:43:47 GMT 12
Their reserve (6th) driver still didn't race though. He only drove the 591p out and onto the infield. Was that just for show? Barry B The 6th driver can only be used in the event of one of the starting lineup competitors being injured, or at risk to continue, as determined by the Team Manager or Steward. The injured driver is out of the title In this case, the 6th driver shouldn't have even been alowed to drive out the gate, as Wayne wasnt injured. To play devil's advocate here, and given my criticism of Hemi's actions here, WHY should the 6th driver have not been allowed to drive out the gate? He wasn't used, and neither was the car if I'm correct. |
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Feb 11, 2018 15:07:00 GMT 12
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Post by spdwayorthehway on Feb 11, 2018 15:07:00 GMT 12
Qualifying Good shot of the hit and the green lights |
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Post by southsuperstock on Feb 11, 2018 15:27:32 GMT 12
The 6th driver can only be used in the event of one of the starting lineup competitors being injured, or at risk to continue, as determined by the Team Manager or Steward. The injured driver is out of the title In this case, the 6th driver shouldn't have even been alowed to drive out the gate, as Wayne wasnt injured. To play devil's advocate here, and given my criticism of Hemi's actions here, WHY should the 6th driver have not been allowed to drive out the gate? He wasn't used, and neither was the car if I'm correct. Thats correct, car wasnt used, neither was the driver, according to the rules, (as no driver was injured) he shouldnt have been out there, so if one of the Panthers cars broke down in the warm up laps, they should've had to race with 3, not 4. This is why the penailty on Wayne is really not valid, as his car is still able to race, and the 6 driver can still drive it, |
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Post by penman on Feb 11, 2018 16:07:17 GMT 12
To play devil's advocate here, and given my criticism of Hemi's actions here, WHY should the 6th driver have not been allowed to drive out the gate? He wasn't used, and neither was the car if I'm correct. Thats correct, car wasnt used, neither was the driver, according to the rules, (as no driver was injured) he shouldnt have been out there, so if one of the Panthers cars broke down in the warm up laps, they should've had to race with 3, not 4. This is why the penailty on Wayne is really not valid, as his car is still able to race, and the 6 driver can still drive it, Your stance on this issue makes no sense. The car and driver were not used, none of the Panthers broke down on warm-up laps and they raced with the four cars originally planned for the race without going near Hemi's car (with the sixth driver aboard). Do the rules state anywhere that it shouldn't have been on the infield? And the penalty on Hemi was that he was prevented from racing because of the hit in the GB race....which (in the context of this particular argument) IS valid. |
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Feb 11, 2018 16:17:48 GMT 12
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Post by tony27 on Feb 11, 2018 16:17:48 GMT 12
My take is that a driver getting excluded from the race is that the punishment covers the driver but not the car meaning it was okay for it to enter the track. Whether Brynn would have raced it if there had been a problem with 1 of the other cars is something we'll never know
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Post by flatty888 on Feb 11, 2018 16:24:12 GMT 12
A few years back at the NZ stockcar teams champs a car from Gisborne was disqualified from the meeting (trailered) and the car wasn't allowed back out on track and the driver wasn't able to take part in the trophy presentation when his team won the Final. Why was this different from the Wayne Hemi punishment? It did seem odd in a sporting contest that a competitor who had been disqualified from the event was then able to go and celebrate the winning and talk on the microphone to the crowd, I don't know any other sports that this would happen in.
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Post by The other guy on Feb 11, 2018 16:55:07 GMT 12
So true Flatty but thats because the other events are not in Palmy.
He and the car should of been excluded. every one outside of Palmerston know that.
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