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Post by percy on Nov 25, 2018 13:11:09 GMT 12
The post above from AP57 might just be the #1 post of the year.
I'll point out that going to 20 meetings doesn't necessarily mean all classes would race 20 times. Springs could host a full meeting with 3 out of current 4 classes. 20 meetings a year would also open the possibility of inviting more classes for a night. We already invite Super Saloons for Rolling Thunder. Modifieds & Saloons could also feature for a meeting which means a 20-meeting season could be run with each Springs class running 14 times.
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Post by magilla on Nov 25, 2018 13:36:55 GMT 12
so we have to put up with the lesser classes from across town?
Super Saloons not too bad but anything else is backwards step
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Post by hienekenno1 on Nov 25, 2018 14:13:23 GMT 12
You need to be put into a stockcar Magilla and smashed into the wall hard lol.
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Post by John W. on Nov 25, 2018 14:44:45 GMT 12
so we have to put up with the lesser classes from across town? Super Saloons not too bad but anything else is backwards step Magilla, Sprintcars may be the F1 class on dirt...but no F1 driver got there without climbing through other classes and all drivers started in grass roots (with many starting in Karts). Grass roots racing is the lifeblood of all motor-sport. Without these so called "lesser classes" you will have no motor-sport. How about showing them the credit and respect they deserve. John "Lesser Classes" rep and darn proud of it... |
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Post by orapiuwharf on Nov 25, 2018 15:03:59 GMT 12
Super saloons are the premier class of speedway in NZ. The difference in speed of a modified from a sprintcar is very little. There are probably more stockcars in NZ than all other classes put together.
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Post by graemeh on Nov 25, 2018 16:25:47 GMT 12
The post above from AP57 might just be the #1 post of the year. I'll point out that going to 20 meetings doesn't necessarily mean all classes would race 20 times. Springs could host a full meeting with 3 out of current 4 classes. 20 meetings a year would also open the possibility of inviting more classes for a night. We already invite Super Saloons for Rolling Thunder. Modifieds & Saloons could also feature for a meeting which means a 20-meeting season could be run with each Springs class running 14 times. I thought one of the arguments in favour of moving to CD was to enable more meetings, but now it seems that 14 meetings maybe an ideal number. Oh wait on we (the No.1 speedway in the world) can just go and grab some other classes when needed from a track we dont really give a nuts about and run their classes that we look down our noses at and everyone will bend over etc. In reality the proposed move to a bigger track will make all but the sprintcars and midgets look good, the others well who really cares. All for the good of speedway, unfortunately those that benefit are a minority on the national level and outside of Auckland barely rate. Sprintcar numbers are on the improve in some areas but what a waste of effort for them having to race on a 1/4 mile track when, if we are to believe what is being said, they have already outgrown their local track. I'm confused by the obvious conflicts that are being used by Western Springs to think that CD is the solution to problems that don't exist, sounds like a lot of BS to me. |
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Post by woodart on Nov 25, 2018 16:50:15 GMT 12
The post above from AP57 might just be the #1 post of the year. In reality the proposed move to a bigger track will make all but the sprintcars and midgets look good, the others well who really cares I'm confused by the obvious conflicts that are being used by Western Springs to think that CD is the solution to problems that don't exist, sounds like a lot of BS to me. yes, many seem keen for a track that definitley wont suit tq's and kidsmidgets. so, they will straightaway kill off their two feeder grades. will have to go,cap in hand to waikaraka, for classes and drivers to pad out their programme. not a good business model. |
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Post by orapiuwharf on Nov 25, 2018 19:53:17 GMT 12
Six shooters can go to colin dale park please. They do not belong at Waikaraka.
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Post by midway on Nov 25, 2018 21:16:00 GMT 12
Six shooters can go to colin dale park please. They do not belong at Waikaraka. You wont have much left then ,just historic stockcars ,and a grandstand full of empty seats ... |
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Post by percy on Nov 25, 2018 21:25:21 GMT 12
The track at Colin Dale will have an inner track for Quarter Midgets and potentially Sidecars.
Not sure how the TQ's would go on the Colin Dale track. I thought Baypark would be too big for them but they were decent when they raced their 2-3 years ago and on the rare occasion they've raced at Waikaraka they've put on a good showing.
As for 14 meetings per class not being enough at the end of last season I posted statistics on Midgets and Sprintcars who competed at all Springs meetings last season. It was well under 10 competitors for each class. Given the majority aren't completing the full Springs season it would seem ambitious to vastly increase the number of meetings.
In any case the initial plan for Colin Dale was to go to 16 meetings and then assess from there with a view to increasing. All up in the air now funding has become a council football.
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Post by John W. on Nov 26, 2018 6:16:04 GMT 12
Six shooters can go to colin dale park please. They do not belong at Waikaraka. You wont have much left then ,just historic stockcars ,and a grandstand full of empty seats ... Midway, I think you forgot the following Saloons Super Saloons Stockcars Super Stocks Street Stocks Mini Stocks MiniSprints and Modifieds Demo Derby should also be in that list... Why do you have such hatred for Waikaraka Park? It appears you would rather see Waikaraka suffer than for all Speedway in Auckland to grow. I guess you are the sort of person that would cut off your leg whenever you get an ingrown toenail? John |
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Post by midway on Nov 26, 2018 7:49:00 GMT 12
I like fishing and go often ,it seems ive caught a bigger prize than the ninety mile fishing contest offers  |
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Post by epmurc on Nov 26, 2018 9:28:48 GMT 12
.............In any case the initial plan for Colin Dale was to go to 16 meetings and then assess from there with a view to increasing. All up in the air now funding has become a council football. Just out of curiosity, is Buckley Springs intended to be anything else than a Speedway venue? The sketches I've seen don't seem to show anything in the way of a sports field, conference rooms or anything else that would make it multi-use. Based on the quoted numbers of $36 000 000 to build and 16 meetings per year for 30 years, that works out to a build cost of $75 000 per meeting. And of course if it is Speedway specific, it's going to be sitting idle for nearly 350 days per year.............and people moan about how under-utilised Eden Park is |
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Post by number1gopher on Nov 26, 2018 10:48:39 GMT 12
and also our minisprints it would certainly help the class up at northern end of the north island
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 12:34:25 GMT 12
Six shooters can go to colin dale park please. They do not belong at Waikaraka. You wont have much left then ,just historic stockcars ,and a grandstand full of empty seats ... Why don't they belong at Waikaraka? And no point bagging Waikaraka, at least they can confirm a calendar for the following years racing  |
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Post by magilla on Nov 26, 2018 16:42:23 GMT 12
Super saloons are the premier class of speedway in NZ. The difference in speed of a modified from a sprintcar is very little. There are probably more stockcars in NZ than all other classes put together. modifieds 2-3 seconds a lap slower than a sprintcar, they are even slower than a midget. Supersaloons and stockcars have their own tracks and fan base. Great for those people but the fan base for the sprintcars and midgets is very different with only a small percentage of crossover. I know those who support the stockcars etc are very passionate about their sport and good on them, but it really is very different. Council should fix up Waikaraka Park. It is long overdue and they deserve it. But keep the two halves of speedway separate which will keep the majority of the fans of each half happy. |
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Post by magilla on Nov 26, 2018 16:45:33 GMT 12
The track at Colin Dale will have an inner track for Quarter Midgets and potentially Sidecars. Not sure how the TQ's would go on the Colin Dale track. I thought Baypark would be too big for them but they were decent when they raced their 2-3 years ago and on the rare occasion they've raced at Waikaraka they've put on a good showing. TQs used to run on the 1/3 mile tracks at Ferndene and Meremere with no problem. It is just a matter of gearing. In fact one of the last midget features at Meremere was won by a TQ. |
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Post by John W. on Nov 26, 2018 16:57:39 GMT 12
I like fishing and go often ,it seems ive caught a bigger prize than the ninety mile fishing contest offers Not sure what prize you think you have caught...but you have spilt any respect you had while going up the steps to claim your so called prize...check again...it might be the booby prize you have... |
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Post by John W. on Nov 26, 2018 17:02:06 GMT 12
The track at Colin Dale will have an inner track for Quarter Midgets and potentially Sidecars. Not sure how the TQ's would go on the Colin Dale track. I thought Baypark would be too big for them but they were decent when they raced their 2-3 years ago and on the rare occasion they've raced at Waikaraka they've put on a good showing. TQs used to run on the 1/3 mile tracks at Ferndene and Meremere with no problem. It is just a matter of gearing. In fact one of the last midget features at Meremere was won by a TQ. I would suggest the quality of the track is much more important than the size. Admittedly, if 2 tracks were of similar quality, then size would help the faster classes put on a better show. In saying that however, you do not want a track to large. You need it to be small enough to encourage close racing, but large enough for cars to run beside each other safely. |
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Post by woodart on Nov 26, 2018 17:22:30 GMT 12
[quote author=" magilla" timestamp="1543207533" I would suggest the quality of the track is much more important than the size. Admittedly, if 2 tracks were of similar quality, then size would help the faster classes put on a better show. In saying that however, you do not want a track to large. You need it to be small enough to encourage close racing, but large enough for cars to run beside each other safely.[/quote] short and wide, maybe a D shape like stratford and cromwell. |
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