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Post by tiroto on Jan 31, 2019 6:25:16 GMT 12
Thanks for posting Barry.
I noticed that the distribution of various club cars are uneven. For example there's 10 R's in group three but only five in group five!
There's nine R's in group two but only five in group one.
There are no W's in group one and three yet four in group five! Wondering what the process was here in placing cars in groups?
Is there a general policy to even the distribute cars in their various groups?
Is it possible to say place 23 M's in one group?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 14:16:14 GMT 12
Thanks for posting Barry. I noticed that the distribution of various club cars are uneven. For example there's 10 R's in group three but only five in group five! There's nine R's in group two but only five in group one. There are no W's in group one and three yet four in group five! Wondering what the process was here in placing cars in groups? Is there a general policy to even the distribute cars in their various groups? Is it possible to say place 23 M's in one group? there is no set process for setting qualifying groups. There used to be a sham of a rule that was broken by nearly every single champs meet in every class that said no seeding, but that rule had gone. It is unusual to have 2 brothers in one group tho. I guess so many cars into so few groups there is always going to be imbalance between tracks, family, team mates etc. |
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Post by hbhornets on Jan 31, 2019 14:27:02 GMT 12
Thanks for posting Barry. I noticed that the distribution of various club cars are uneven. For example there's 10 R's in group three but only five in group five! There's nine R's in group two but only five in group one. There are no W's in group one and three yet four in group five! Wondering what the process was here in placing cars in groups? Is there a general policy to even the distribute cars in their various groups? Is it possible to say place 23 M's in one group? its enither gonna be even or uneven. not both. otherwise you end up with odd groups. its like a counter balance |
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Post by nwracing on Jan 31, 2019 15:50:36 GMT 12
very little south island cars??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 15:53:09 GMT 12
very little south island cars?? They might be ministocks? Or are they even more little than that? |
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Post by Driftwood on Jan 31, 2019 16:17:41 GMT 12
Haha
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Post by holden on Jan 31, 2019 18:42:06 GMT 12
very little south island cars?? Can guarantee a SI car will never wear 1NZ.... |
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Post by The Observer on Jan 31, 2019 19:46:34 GMT 12
very little south island cars?? Can guarantee a SI car will never wear 1NZ.... This is also what they said in superstocks |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Jan 31, 2019 20:24:55 GMT 12
Should't they be listed in numeric(then alphabetic for same number) then slotted into groups? or does that make too much sense?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 21:01:55 GMT 12
Should't they be listed in numeric(then alphabetic for same number) then slotted into groups? or does that make too much sense? Na you work out your groups as evenly as poss. Normally go thru rating as many drivers as poss, it's obviously easier in a 60 car entry list. Spread each rating of thru all groups, check for family or other connections, then list them in numeric order so as not to reveal the rankings. Normally you would get half a dozen ppl to cast their eyes over to make sure there is no overly strong or weak group. |
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Post by roxcyford on Jan 31, 2019 21:27:23 GMT 12
what,s parking space like  |
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Post by Helios on Jan 31, 2019 21:45:56 GMT 12
Bags of room on site..
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 1, 2019 8:11:04 GMT 12
Ain't got bags of time though
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Post by The Observer on Feb 1, 2019 19:50:38 GMT 12
Thanks for posting Barry. I noticed that the distribution of various club cars are uneven. For example there's 10 R's in group three but only five in group five! There's nine R's in group two but only five in group one. There are no W's in group one and three yet four in group five! Wondering what the process was here in placing cars in groups? Is there a general policy to even the distribute cars in their various groups? Is it possible to say place 23 M's in one group? there is no set process for setting qualifying groups. There used to be a sham of a rule that was broken by nearly every single champs meet in every class that said no seeding, but that rule had gone. It is unusual to have 2 brothers in one group tho. I guess so many cars into so few groups there is always going to be imbalance between tracks, family, team mates etc. It’s an interesting question Those promoters who had some interest in “fairness” used to split tracks up to try offer a degree of “fairness” to those entering. Often some unofficial seeding would occur as a result, then you get the group of death discussions, which were hard to pick. Some promoters/clubs with a lack of affinity (read interest) in the class took “the fatmans track” and divided the drivers as the entered into groups - first 30 one group, next 30 next group etc. Hence groups of drivers entering at the same time end up in the same group. Now what often happens with unofficial seeding is the fastest cars get through from each track, and you miss any sort of “numbers” and versus mates. And often ends in flag races for three races. In the second option where there is no seeding you might see some “club racing” in qualifying - so to tiroto s point, with 10 r cars in one group you could see 5 Rotorua cars qualify from one group. Imagine one R car from the other groups on top of this - suddenly 10 R cars qualify, and we get a war in heat 3 as 10 is the magic number for a garunteed R title. Unless of course we get the Pritchard axtens pass on the last lap to loose the title when we all flag race - but unlikely, Anyway, it’s possible the promoters lack of interest in the class could lead to a better spectacle in the end. Sometimes pays to not overthink it, right?! |
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 1, 2019 20:34:14 GMT 12
there is no set process for setting qualifying groups. There used to be a sham of a rule that was broken by nearly every single champs meet in every class that said no seeding, but that rule had gone. It is unusual to have 2 brothers in one group tho. I guess so many cars into so few groups there is always going to be imbalance between tracks, family, team mates etc. It’s an interesting question Those promoters who had some interest in “fairness” used to split tracks up to try offer a degree of “fairness” to those entering. Often some unofficial seeding would occur as a result, then you get the group of death discussions, which were hard to pick. Some promoters/clubs with a lack of affinity (read interest) in the class took “the fatmans track” and divided the drivers as the entered into groups - first 30 one group, next 30 next group etc. Hence groups of drivers entering at the same time end up in the same group. Now what often happens with unofficial seeding is the fastest cars get through from each track, and you miss any sort of “numbers” and versus mates. And often ends in flag races for three races. In the second option where there is no seeding you might see some “club racing” in qualifying - so to tiroto s point, with 10 r cars in one group you could see 5 Rotorua cars qualify from one group. Imagine one R car from the other groups on top of this - suddenly 10 R cars qualify, and we get a war in heat 3 as 10 is the magic number for a garunteed R title. Unless of course we get the Pritchard axtens pass on the last lap to loose the title when we all flag race - but unlikely, Anyway, it’s possible the promoters lack of interest in the class could lead to a better spectacle in the end. Sometimes pays to not overthink it, right?! interesting read. what made huntly so brutal? what was the recipe there? |
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Post by downey on Feb 5, 2019 8:59:42 GMT 12
So who are people picking to take out the title?
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2019 13:29:41 GMT 12
So who are people picking to take out the title? Either the person with the highest score or the last chequered flag. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2019 20:08:01 GMT 12
So who are people picking to take out the title? I wouldn't even want to pick when the 199 entries have been whittled down to 36 finalists. I'll have to read the entry form again, but I think there's a repechage(s). So that must be 6 to qualify from each of the five 40 car groups, plus 6 from the last chance race(s). So each group, 6 qualify, 34 don't. Somebody could pass 26 cars, the normal maximum field size, and still not make the top 10 during the qualifying heats. Barry B |
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Post by downey on Feb 7, 2019 8:53:52 GMT 12
So who are people picking to take out the title? I wouldn't even want to pick when the 199 entries have been whittled down to 36 finalists. I'll have to read the entry form again, but I think there's a repechage(s). So that must be 6 to qualify from each of the five 40 car groups, plus 6 from the last chance race(s). So each group, 6 qualify, 34 don't. Somebody could pass 26 cars, the normal maximum field size, and still not make the top 10 during the qualifying heats. Barry B Is it purely a time/curfew thing that prevented them from running 6 groups of 33 cars? (1 group of 34). 18 races wouldn't be viable? But yea, imagine starting 40th and passing 26 cars and not making the top 10. Crazy. Any idea of the points scoring? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2019 11:57:09 GMT 12
Yes. If everybody turns up points will be from 40 down to 1.
The curfew is a problem, yes, but the ability to run 40 car fields greatly assists. There's a much better chance of getting in 15 races than 18 by anybodies maths. I think the decision was made along time ago to run 5 groups. The thinking was 180 maximum cars, 5 groups of 36. The entry list of 199 has surprisedeverybody I think.
Barry B
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