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Post by lukemiers on Feb 4, 2019 16:06:31 GMT 12
Just a small video I put together.
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Post by jayt6 on Feb 4, 2019 16:36:25 GMT 12
Awesome forgot how much hits went on bring on next year
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Post by hercules on Feb 4, 2019 18:19:59 GMT 12
Not too flash hot by 66b towards end of video, just wondering had he managed to connect with 126c while attacking against flow of traffic and disabled 126, would have that been a team exclusion ?
Some good hits on that video, needless to say that video above caught much more than the video hub mob did 😀
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 4, 2019 19:14:20 GMT 12
Interesting to see Tarrant the Long both hitting Ethan when reds were on..Longs shot was very clear on Reds.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 4, 2019 20:18:32 GMT 12
Interesting to see Tarrant the Long both hitting Ethan when reds were on..Longs shot was very clear on Reds. Said that yesterday, and Ethan got pulled oh the restart. |
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Post by maninstand on Feb 4, 2019 21:32:16 GMT 12
Awesome vid
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 4, 2019 22:37:02 GMT 12
Not too flash hot by 66b towards end of video, just wondering had he managed to connect with 126c while attacking against flow of traffic and disabled 126, would have that been a team exclusion ? Some good hits on that video, needless to say that video above caught much more than the video hub mob did 😀 if it was illegal take out of a race leader yea it would have been. thats the rules we have used in the past. |
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Post by theothermikeyb on Feb 4, 2019 22:37:12 GMT 12
Very disappointed to learn Gisborne lost the 127g to the hits on the red. A pity refs can’t see everything so don’t blame them. Time to allow video footage?
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Post by Ugmo on Feb 4, 2019 22:51:09 GMT 12
But after the reds he reversed the car back to where the marshal told him to go to, then went to fire the car up after it shut off and it wouldn't start. Not condoning contact under the red light but the car was still able to be moved so maybe the contact wasn't the cause of his DNF.
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Post by my2cents on Feb 4, 2019 22:57:17 GMT 12
How much time elapsed between the red and the hit. Was Long looking at where he was aiming or the lights. Did 19c order a glass of milk at the pub afterwards
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 23:20:29 GMT 12
Not too flash hot by 66b towards end of video, just wondering had he managed to connect with 126c while attacking against flow of traffic and disabled 126, would have that been a team exclusion ? Some good hits on that video, needless to say that video above caught much more than the video hub mob did 😀 if it was illegal take out of a race leader yea it would have been. thats the rules we have used in the past. He went against the flow of traffic which is illegal. Then reversed legally to do it again. Given he didn't have any steering control he should have sat just off the pole line then pulled out in reverse if he wanted to pull out in front of the lead car instead of reversing to the wall to pull out forwards but in the wrong direction. If he had stood at the pole line he would have been fair game to be hit. Moving out to the wall meant he was in a non attacking position, so not able to be hit by an opponent and by the same token not able to pull out into another car like he did. Good work by the ref to stop the race and remove him. |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2019 6:59:11 GMT 12
Very disappointed to learn Gisborne lost the 127g to the hits on the red. A pity refs can’t see everything so don’t blame them. Time to allow video footage? Honestly, how did they not see it? Did their eyes stop at the roll over? The reds came on just after he hit the track, the hits were 20-30 mtrs later. Especially the second one from long. |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2019 7:01:21 GMT 12
How much time elapsed between the red and the hit. Was Long looking at where he was aiming or the lights. Did 19c order a glass of milk at the pub afterwards how many drivers would NOT know the reds were going to come on AFTER a rollover? Even if it landed on its wheels, the reds would still come on, safety check. |
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Post by graemeh on Feb 5, 2019 7:17:19 GMT 12
Personally I don't think drivers are looking for red lights and most become aware of a red light because of other cars slowing. The drivers who first notice a red light aren't going to come to a halt immediately because of the possibility of being rear-ended. In the heat of battle, given a driver may see a car rolling, a couple of seconds to register and change a predetermined plan is asking a bit much, IMO.
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Post by hercules on Feb 5, 2019 13:08:39 GMT 12
if it was illegal take out of a race leader yea it would have been. thats the rules we have used in the past. He went against the flow of traffic which is illegal. Then reversed legally to do it again. Given he didn't have any steering control he should have sat just off the pole line then pulled out in reverse if he wanted to pull out in front of the lead car instead of reversing to the wall to pull out forwards but in the wrong direction. If he had stood at the pole line he would have been fair game to be hit. Moving out to the wall meant he was in a non attacking position, so not able to be hit by an opponent and by the same token not able to pull out into another car like he did. Good work by the ref to stop the race and remove him. Thanks for clearing it up, I guess they determine the penalty severity by the impact it has on the race? Like last year 591lawnmower took out a block car so wasn’t team exclusion? Had it been the leader he took out it might have been team exclusion? Sorry for questions I am just a huge fan and not too flash hot on the rulings |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2019 13:41:58 GMT 12
Personally I don't think drivers are looking for red lights and most become aware of a red light because of other cars slowing. The drivers who first notice a red light aren't going to come to a halt immediately because of the possibility of being rear-ended. In the heat of battle, given a driver may see a car rolling, a couple of seconds to register and change a predetermined plan is asking a bit much, IMO. No, can't be predetermined in this case. The car stands on its end, was only ever going to red lights straight away. Long traveled 30 odd metres to get the second shot. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 14:59:28 GMT 12
Thanks for clearing it up, I guess they determine the penalty severity by the impact it has on the race? Like last year 591lawnmower took out a block car so wasn’t team exclusion? Had it been the leader he took out it might have been team exclusion? Sorry for questions I am just a huge fan and not too flash hot on the rulings All good. A team exclusion is a really big call that sometimes needs to be made, but yr right impact on the race result due to an illegal move is a factor in deciding any penalty, as in team VS individual. It might seem harsh that it happens but I for one am glad they now remove cars that are going to disqualified from race results. This means a car who is no longer part of the race can have no further influence the final result. Yr point about Hemi last year is correct. From my POV I thought the standard of both racing to the rules and the upholding of those rules was top notch this year. I wonder if old2nz can add anything to this? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:09:56 GMT 12
I'm not going to judge what Jason Long could or couldn't see, and I can't remember where he was in the track when the smash happened but remember with the Hans device it's impossible to look sideways, so a roll right next to you might not register to another driver.
I've never thought of Long as a dirty driver who would infringe deliberately. Not that a non deliberate infringement that can change the race should go unpunished
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 5, 2019 16:04:47 GMT 12
Thanks for clearing it up, I guess they determine the penalty severity by the impact it has on the race? Like last year 591lawnmower took out a block car so wasn’t team exclusion? Had it been the leader he took out it might have been team exclusion? Sorry for questions I am just a huge fan and not too flash hot on the rulings All good. A team exclusion is a really big call that sometimes needs to be made, but yr right impact on the race result due to an illegal move is a factor in deciding any penalty, as in team VS individual. It might seem harsh that it happens but I for one am glad they now remove cars that are going to disqualified from race results. This means a car who is no longer part of the race can have no further influence the final result. Yr point about Hemi last year is correct. From my POV I thought the standard of both racing to the rules and the upholding of those rules was top notch this year. I wonder if old2nz can add anything to this? way less hitting stationary vehicles. in fact i didnt see one at full speed. just Tarrant after a restart. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 16:11:06 GMT 12
way less hitting stationary vehicles. in fact i didnt see one at full speed. just Tarrant after a restart. Remember tho just cause a car is stationary, doesn't mean it can't be hit. Same as you can be stopped on the track for laps on end and still be part of the race, unlike in normal racing. |
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