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Post by Tony on Feb 5, 2019 8:04:18 GMT 12
Or if Nelson organised a team this year but got turned away... And speaking of Nelson there was three Nelson cars there on the 2nd night consolation races. Whats with that? would have thought 2 ring-ins would have been possible. Who's to say any of them would have been available for teams racing? |
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Post by smashthep on Feb 5, 2019 10:15:28 GMT 12
It was brought up in the managers meeting about going back to first over the line and only 12 teams, bloody great idea Sweet, we'll be sure it's the Hawkeyes who put their hand up to step down from the event so we stay at 12. Oh, and Nelson, by the way they just decided you can't come next year either. Or is it different when it's somebody elses team who doesn't get to enter? It's all good and well living in fantasy land saying 12 teams is better but we need to look at the consequences of doing that. The more teams, the more fans from different regions get to engage, add to the atmosphere and the more paying customers get value for money with more races. Start stopping teams from entering now, when they want to enter, they won't bother planning to organise a team when Palmy promotion need them later down the line when other teams can't scramble a team together. In a perfect world, 12 is the number for an easy to follow competition,I don't think anybody would argue that, but we don't live in a perfect world, and the negatives of dropping teams, alienating loyal fans of teams denied entry, I feel outweigh the benefits of having a 12 team competition. |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 5, 2019 10:23:30 GMT 12
It was brought up in the managers meeting about going back to first over the line and only 12 teams, bloody great idea Sweet, we'll be sure it's the Hawkeyes who put their hand up to step down from the event so we stay at 12. Oh, and Nelson, by the way they just decided you can't come next year either. Or is it different when it's somebody elses team who doesn't get to enter? It's all good and well living in fantasy land saying 12 teams is better but we need to look at the consequences of doing that. The more teams, the more fans from different regions get to engage, add to the atmosphere and the more paying customers get value for money with more races. Start stopping teams from entering now, when they want to enter, they won't bother planning to organise a team when Palmy promotion need them later down the line when other teams can't scramble a team together. In a perfect world, 12 is the number for an easy to follow competition,I don't think anybody would argue that, but we don't live in a perfect world, and the negatives of dropping teams, alienating loyal fans of teams denied entry, I feel outweigh the benefits of having a 12 team competition. Well said & i totally agree. Some teams/tracks go through rebuilding phases with numbers (even palmy are) they need time to build a team of drivers prepared to put it all on the line. Look at Glen Eagles a couple of years ago they had ring ins now they are the Champions. Things can change in a very short time & turning any team away could be detrimental further down the track. |
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Post by mal on Feb 5, 2019 11:09:29 GMT 12
First past the post can still be used with 13 teams if the ties are separated by points awarded for rollovers and stopping opponents cars etc. This format is what makes teams champs exciting & when it was used, the first night often outshone the finals night for action.
I’m all for the format changing but teams can’t be turned away without the risk of them not coming back.
Maybe some ‘outside the square’ thinking can give us the best of both worlds.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Feb 5, 2019 11:18:09 GMT 12
Sweet, we'll be sure it's the Hawkeyes who put their hand up to step down from the event so we stay at 12. Oh, and Nelson, by the way they just decided you can't come next year either. Or is it different when it's somebody elses team who doesn't get to enter? It's all good and well living in fantasy land saying 12 teams is better but we need to look at the consequences of doing that. The more teams, the more fans from different regions get to engage, add to the atmosphere and the more paying customers get value for money with more races. Start stopping teams from entering now, when they want to enter, they won't bother planning to organise a team when Palmy promotion need them later down the line when other teams can't scramble a team together. In a perfect world, 12 is the number for an easy to follow competition,I don't think anybody would argue that, but we don't live in a perfect world, and the negatives of dropping teams, alienating loyal fans of teams denied entry, I feel outweigh the benefits of having a 12 team competition. Well said & i totally agree. Some teams/tracks go through rebuilding phases with numbers (even palmy are) they need time to build a team of drivers prepared to put it all on the line. Look at Glen Eagles a couple of years ago they had ring ins now they are the Champions. Things can change in a very short time & turning any team away could be detrimental further down the track. Yep totaly agree with what both of you are saying but you go back to last week and the amount of people saying the format doesnt work with 13. You look at the people that are saying teams is getting boring as teams are running just for points. What you as the crowd have to remember it's yous that arent happy. At the drivers brefing not one team said they were unhappy how it runs. One manager brought it up at our meeting about the draw and format as the spectators are starting to moan about it.Thats where the 12 teams got mentioned. Now lets just say next year there is 15 teams it will still come down to points. When we make game plans we talk about not wrecking your car so you can finish and collect points. What do the public want cars just blocking and running for points or cars wrecking each other?? |
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Post by conrod on Feb 5, 2019 11:27:15 GMT 12
Or 8 teams which i guess is why some people like the Auckland event better , i like palmy but it needs tweaking imho. Also if the super saloons series are a part off night 2 drop the general super stocks races so they get a fair go I completely disagree. We sold sponsorship packages for our team based on two nights of racing. If our guys hadn't been able to go out and race on Night Two, then sponsors would have every right to complain. Frankly, what needs to change is the Grand Parade. Team cars and drivers only, plus one tow car. It's a shambles now, with hangers-on (like me!), trucks etc etc, especially on Night Two, when they know they will run into time issues. Racing was supposed to start at 6.30pm on Sunday night, but it was 7pm before the first race came out. The BK Super Saloons are a fantastic spectacle, but as the commentators said on Sunday night, the track prep was done with teams racing in mind. The dust they kicked up was pretty substantial on Sunday night (I was watching from Turn 3, row C) and really detracted from the overall experience of the night, especially for those who aren't hardcore speedway fans. The format is what it is. Would people rather have thirteen teams, and thirteen races on the first night, or have a team miss out so that the field can be divided into four groups? My point with the BK series is you have a guy from the states and the others from one end off the country to the other they get two 8 lap races and that's it ,agree on the dust it was cronic I watch people get up and leave. I have never seen it so bad |
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 5, 2019 12:07:02 GMT 12
Well said & i totally agree. Some teams/tracks go through rebuilding phases with numbers (even palmy are) they need time to build a team of drivers prepared to put it all on the line. Look at Glen Eagles a couple of years ago they had ring ins now they are the Champions. Things can change in a very short time & turning any team away could be detrimental further down the track. Yep totaly agree with what both of you are saying but you go back to last week and the amount of people saying the format doesnt work with 13. You look at the people that are saying teams is getting boring as teams are running just for points. What you as the crowd have to remember it's yous that arent happy. At the drivers brefing not one team said they were unhappy how it runs. One manager brought it up at our meeting about the draw and format as the spectators are starting to moan about it.Thats where the 12 teams got mentioned. Now lets just say next year there is 15 teams it will still come down to points. When we make game plans we talk about not wrecking your car so you can finish and collect points. What do the public want cars just blocking and running for points or cars wrecking each other?? you cant please everybody. and the fans are turning up more each year. so while a few moan. i wouldnt listen to them. as it is a success with more people each year getting exposure to it. and thats gotta be a plus. |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2019 13:39:41 GMT 12
Well said & i totally agree. Some teams/tracks go through rebuilding phases with numbers (even palmy are) they need time to build a team of drivers prepared to put it all on the line. Look at Glen Eagles a couple of years ago they had ring ins now they are the Champions. Things can change in a very short time & turning any team away could be detrimental further down the track. Yep totaly agree with what both of you are saying but you go back to last week and the amount of people saying the format doesnt work with 13. You look at the people that are saying teams is getting boring as teams are running just for points. What you as the crowd have to remember it's yous that arent happy. At the drivers brefing not one team said they were unhappy how it runs. One manager brought it up at our meeting about the draw and format as the spectators are starting to moan about it.Thats where the 12 teams got mentioned. Now lets just say next year there is 15 teams it will still come down to points. When we make game plans we talk about not wrecking your car so you can finish and collect points. What do the public want cars just blocking and running for points or cars wrecking each other?? Start listening when there are some seats left to sell............... |
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Post by mal on Feb 5, 2019 15:32:25 GMT 12
Can’t judge by bums on seats as potentially 90% of fans buy their tickets months before teams are entered and format is confirmed.
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 5, 2019 16:09:40 GMT 12
Can’t judge by bums on seats as potentially 90% of fans buy their tickets months before teams are entered and format is confirmed. you can. people wouldn't buy tickets if it wasnt worth going. which is what the whole no groups no action statement is about. i used to buy my tickets the day before team champs. had mean seats. now i get them in august. more interest more live streams brought. the event is getting bigger. limit it to 12 teams is a massive step backs. should be aiming for 16. |
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Post by mal on Feb 5, 2019 17:50:08 GMT 12
Have a look at my previous post & you’ll see I’m against limiting teams. In fact it’s just the points system that needs changing.
I’d probably go anyway, but if I knew for a fact they would be flag racing on the first night, I’d consider streaming. I can see live flag racing most Saturday nights but I haven’t got a choice, I buy in August too before the format is set.
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Post by conrod on Feb 5, 2019 18:03:23 GMT 12
Can’t judge by bums on seats as potentially 90% of fans buy their tickets months before teams are entered and format is confirmed. you can. people wouldn't buy tickets if it wasnt worth going. which is what the whole no groups no action statement is about. i used to buy my tickets the day before team champs. had mean seats. now i get them in august. more interest more live streams brought. the event is getting bigger. limit it to 12 teams is a massive step backs. should be aiming for 16. Will never happen they are struggling now to make teams and have for a few years now its only a matter of time and more will retire P rees , mooney , bingston the hemi / dare factor ,a couple from stratford ,remnant ,Fjw , steiner, 3 from auckland, ngatai really there's quite a list off drivers that must be close to giving it away im pretty sure it will be going the other way not up |
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Post by mordecai on Feb 5, 2019 18:10:19 GMT 12
you can. people wouldn't buy tickets if it wasnt worth going. which is what the whole no groups no action statement is about. i used to buy my tickets the day before team champs. had mean seats. now i get them in august. more interest more live streams brought. the event is getting bigger. limit it to 12 teams is a massive step backs. should be aiming for 16. Will never happen they are struggling now to make teams and have for a few years now its only a matter of time and more will retire P rees , mooney , bingston the hemi / dare factor ,a couple from stratford ,remnant ,Fjw , steiner, 3 from auckland, ngatai really there's quite a list off drivers that must be close to giving it away im pretty sure it will be going the other way not up ye enjoy what we have while we have it |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 5, 2019 18:22:01 GMT 12
you can. people wouldn't buy tickets if it wasnt worth going. which is what the whole no groups no action statement is about. i used to buy my tickets the day before team champs. had mean seats. now i get them in august. more interest more live streams brought. the event is getting bigger. limit it to 12 teams is a massive step backs. should be aiming for 16. Will never happen they are struggling now to make teams and have for a few years now its only a matter of time and more will retire P rees , mooney , bingston the hemi / dare factor ,a couple from stratford ,remnant ,Fjw , steiner, 3 from auckland, ngatai really there's quite a list off drivers that must be close to giving it away im pretty sure it will be going the other way not up Did you take time to consider the large amount drivers that were on debut this year & I'm sure plenty of others to come? |
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Post by pfloyd on Feb 5, 2019 18:31:28 GMT 12
Agree with Tony. The grand parade was way too grand. Got in early, did a couple of laps of the pits, at seats by 6 then sat thru nearly an hour of grand parade. Started early to get racing done on time and had to cut the programme back anyway. Nice touch doing the presentations in front of the grandstand this year as well. Maybe will now alternate with start/finish straight each year now ? Fantastic event with some great racing. Shame the final was so one-sided but that happens sometimes. Don’t care how many teams front. Ya won’t find anything dragging me away from this meeting
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Post by conrod on Feb 5, 2019 19:01:50 GMT 12
Will never happen they are struggling now to make teams and have for a few years now its only a matter of time and more will retire P rees , mooney , bingston the hemi / dare factor ,a couple from stratford ,remnant ,Fjw , steiner, 3 from auckland, ngatai really there's quite a list off drivers that must be close to giving it away im pretty sure it will be going the other way not up Did you take time to consider the large amount drivers that were on debut this year & I'm sure plenty of others to come? I hope so, its a craft teams racing and getting people wanting to step up is the Question sure some will but ill use auckland as a guide theres 3 drivers that could give it up at the same time so where does that leave them ?? Nelson ? The Giants nick has retired one more out off there and it becomes hard for them you can get ring-ins but there is still only so many to go around then there are people that dont want ring-ins you carn't have your cake and eat it as well |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 5, 2019 19:59:53 GMT 12
I like the points part of it, stops a team putting all their eggs in 1 basket.
Unless you get 2 other cars in the points as well as winning the race you haven't done enough.
A win & 5th shouldn't count for the same as a team who absolutely dominates with first 3 places & managed to get rid of opposition cars
I'll never agree with the concept of top 4 from first night being assured of being the top 4 at the end as that gives the draw too much importance
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2019 20:34:37 GMT 12
I like the points part of it, stops a team putting all their eggs in 1 basket. Unless you get 2 other cars in the points as well as winning the race you haven't done enough. A win & 5th shouldn't count for the same as a team who absolutely dominates with first 3 places & managed to get rid of opposition cars I'll never agree with the concept of top 4 from first night being assured of being the top 4 at the end as that gives the draw too much importance You're dead right about the Top 4 thing. Any team has only beaten two of the other 11-13 teams competing to make the Top 4 at the end of Night 1. Some sides meet two top teams, others meet two much weaker teams. The draw would be virtually everything. For any team to win they still have to be victorious in 4/4. If teams are not up to beating their Night 2 opponents they deserve to drop down the order. And teams with one win and one loss on Night 1 can race like champions on Night 2 and make the podium. I think it's a much fairer format than making the Top 4 from Night 1 the Top 4, end of. Barry B |
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Post by broardside on Feb 5, 2019 22:03:32 GMT 12
Sorry saloon buffs but the BK series has to go to another night, trying to jam them in on a Superstock prepared track is getting to greddy and just ruins the Supersaloon spectacle, and it must be disappointing for the drivers also.
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Post by Jeffery on Feb 5, 2019 22:14:06 GMT 12
Sorry saloon buffs but the BK series has to go to another night, trying to jam them in on a Superstock prepared track is getting to greddy and just ruins the Supersaloon spectacle, and it must be disappointing for the drivers also. Bring back the Manawatu Modified champs on night two. |
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