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Post by woodart on Mar 8, 2020 12:00:00 GMT 12
just watched the final teams race from auckland last night, glad I didnt pay for it. one black team racing another black team..stock car teams at stratford was as bad last week. palmy and bay teams first race, crowd sat going wtf..rugby as poorly planned. last night sth african team had to change jerseys at half time because of colour clash. To me, this is way more important and needs immediate attention, than number of teams or format for any teams racing. amateur hour....
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Post by Tapped on Mar 8, 2020 15:43:30 GMT 12
Surely each team is allowed to design their own colour scheme to match their province? Or we submit our free will to the socialists and get the colour scheme that is designed for us by the minority in control?
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Post by woodart on Mar 8, 2020 16:23:56 GMT 12
Surely each team is allowed to design their own colour scheme to match their province? Or we submit our free will to the socialists and get the colour scheme that is designed for us by the minority in control? is that meant to be (a) funny(b) politically smart(c)or you dont have a clue? for a start, how do you "match their province"? with rugby colours? with provincial emblems?(often ,quite different from rugby colours). lightning flashs with predominatly black might look good on a graphic artists laptop, but is bloody useless for anything else , especially at night. as a spectator, car owner, and potential sponsor, I expect something that stands out from the herd, not another silver japanese import...its not hard if you actually use your mind and DONT go with the flow. think orange, immediatley think, nelson tigers....(c) |
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Post by beachboy on Mar 8, 2020 16:46:20 GMT 12
It's Palmy and Hawke's Bay that are the main problem in both Superstocks and Stockcars, Given that the Hawkeyes have won both Major Superstock teams titles this year it should be the Panthers and Pumas that must change.
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Post by go29 on Mar 8, 2020 16:47:25 GMT 12
I don't mind the occasional clash of colours. Just adds another element to think about for the guys out there. If people sitting at the track can't tell the difference between the Hawkeyes and Panthers bodies, then I seriously would advise a trip to specsavers.
If something was to be done, maybe a fluro stripe across the top of the window on the front and back?
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Post by craige on Mar 8, 2020 17:08:44 GMT 12
Surely each team is allowed to design their own colour scheme to match their province? Or we submit our free will to the socialists and get the colour scheme that is designed for us by the minority in control? is that meant to be (a) funny(b) politically smart(c)or you dont have a clue? for a start, how do you "match their province"? with rugby colours? with provincial emblems?(often ,quite different from rugby colours). lightning flashs with predominatly black might look good on a graphic artists laptop, but is bloody useless for anything else , especially at night. as a spectator, car owner, and potential sponsor, I expect something that stands out from the herd, not another silver japanese import...its not hard if you actually use your mind and DONT go with the flow. think orange, immediatley think, nelson tigers....(c) Manawatu-green Wellington -black/yellow Hawkesbay - black/white Auckland -blue Stratford -yellow Etc etc etc etc |
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Post by CLIFF on Mar 8, 2020 17:23:27 GMT 12
got my youngest to watch petrolfumes footage this morning (which was excellent) of the final, not even half a lap into it he says which ones are the panthers, they all look the same, are they the ones with the stickers on them
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Post by woodart on Mar 8, 2020 17:34:27 GMT 12
If people sitting at the track can't tell the difference between the Hawkeyes and Panthers bodies, then I seriously would advise a trip to specsavers. ]
well that would mean most of the crowd last friday at stratford. really killed the mood of the crowd, first race, clashing paint schemes, who won?
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Post by BarryB on Mar 8, 2020 19:33:34 GMT 12
got my youngest to watch petrolfumes footage this morning (which was excellent) of the final, not even half a lap into it he says which ones are the panthers, they all look the same, are they the ones with the stickers on them It should be a video you could show to non-believers on the fantabulous thing that is Teams racing, it has everything, however yes, when one watches it via a medium many watch things on these days (an iPad for example) it's difficult to pick up which team is which, even after watching the live stream last night. The number thing has been fixed. Now we just need to sort the colour thing. If were ever going to appeal to casual fans, they need to be able to understand what they're watching. A real fan knows body shapes, wing shapes etc. Casual fans, which could be converted to weekly fans, will just shut down. Even A1 commentary can't help when Team A is dressed the same as Team B. Even a white wing versus a black wing works. Barry B |
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Post by go29 on Mar 8, 2020 19:52:38 GMT 12
If people sitting at the track can't tell the difference between the Hawkeyes and Panthers bodies, then I seriously would advise a trip to specsavers. ] well that would mean most of the crowd last friday at stratford. really killed the mood of the crowd, first race, clashing paint schemes, who won? The pumas won. I was there and the clash of team colours didn't stop the hits going in  |
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Post by Tapped on Mar 8, 2020 19:58:27 GMT 12
Surely each team is allowed to design their own colour scheme to match their province? Or we submit our free will to the socialists and get the colour scheme that is designed for us by the minority in control? is that meant to be (a) funny(b) politically smart(c)or you dont have a clue? for a start, how do you "match their province"? with rugby colours? with provincial emblems?(often ,quite different from rugby colours). lightning flashs with predominatly black might look good on a graphic artists laptop, but is bloody useless for anything else , especially at night. as a spectator, car owner, and potential sponsor, I expect something that stands out from the herd, not another silver japanese import...its not hard if you actually use your mind and DONT go with the flow. think orange, immediatley think, nelson tigers....(c) I can tell by your reply that you havent been paying attention to stockcar or superstock teams racing for very long. Many of our provinces have colours that are associated with them, and naturally the tracks located in the provinces have long modelled their teams' colours linked to that area. Feel free to catch with the rest of us - when you have time. |
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Post by BarryB on Mar 8, 2020 20:13:36 GMT 12
Instead of attacking each other, attack the issue. And in doing so try and think of other people apart from yourself, especially if your one of those fans that attends meetings all over the country each and every weekend. The sport may survive on those sort of people, but to grow it needs others, especially younger people. And their attention spans aren't very long these days.....
Barry B
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Post by sonic33 on Mar 8, 2020 20:31:48 GMT 12
If people sitting at the track can't tell the difference between the Hawkeyes and Panthers bodies, then I seriously would advise a trip to specsavers. ] well that would mean most of the crowd last friday at stratford. really killed the mood of the crowd, first race, clashing paint schemes, who won? The pumas won. I was there and the clash of team colours didn't stop the hits going in You are missing the point. Amazing drivers may get it. I am a seasoned spectator and was struggling with team members. I suggested with the stratford meet that teams need to register their colours with SNZ early on. Not so much bodies, as they can be sponsor dependant. However, bumpers or strip above the visor, and back of car somewhere should be registered with SNZ |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Mar 8, 2020 20:40:23 GMT 12
If just for Crowd, how about different colourede wing or sticker on wing on crowd side.
Colours are just as much sponsor colours as well
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Post by John W. on Mar 8, 2020 20:43:06 GMT 12
May I suggest - rather than whinging on here, you should send a polite message to the teams concerned. I do not believe it is the promoter or tracks fault. The promoter has no right to force a team to change colours as it may prejudice their sponsorship obligations.
The teams need to be made aware they look like the others. Maybe suggest to Hawkes bay that their traditional colours and black and white and could they include more white to differentiate them form the Pumas (which are coloured after the black cat they take their name from).
You might be amazed at how much a bit of polite action will get. The teams may not even have realised as they are often so focused on everything else that colours may not appear much to them. It may also be a tactic to try and make it harder for their expected toughest opponent to recognise them quickly in the rear view mirror...either way - negative comments like this with no positive (and polite/respectful) action will do absolutely nothing.
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John
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Post by sonic33 on Mar 8, 2020 21:26:04 GMT 12
May I suggest - rather than whinging on here, you should send a polite message to the teams concerned. I do not believe it is the promoter or tracks fault. The promoter has no right to force a team to change colours as it may prejudice their sponsorship obligations. The teams need to be made aware they look like the others. Maybe suggest to Hawkes bay that their traditional colours and black and white and could they include more white to differentiate them form the Pumas (which are coloured after the black cat they take their name from). You might be amazed at how much a bit of polite action will get. The teams may not even have realised as they are often so focused on everything else that colours may not appear much to them. It may also be a tactic to try and make it harder for their expected toughest opponent to recognise them quickly in the rear view mirror...either way - negative comments like this with no positive (and polite/respectful) action will do absolutely nothing. </end of rant> John Hi John, I am not sure polite action will sort this. The teams will sort their bodies as per their sponsors. As far as a tactic that won't work as you are the colour as you roll out the gate from day one. Individual champs have had the points leader tape up their car for the final heat. I.E Wayne Hemi and Jo Fram. I believe for spectators team cars should be visually distinguished. If not bodies, some sort SNZ approved colours. First in first served. |
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Post by beachboy on Mar 8, 2020 21:34:40 GMT 12
The teams know there is an issue they come on here to get all the facts and info.😃
For those who think the colour clashes are not hurting the sport then a suggestion.
Find someone who knows nothing about teams racing and show team a youtube video of a P v B race and try and explain what teams racing is about.
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Post by stu24p on Mar 8, 2020 22:30:22 GMT 12
As a previous spectator, Panthers were usually black because?? Panthers are black, as are Pumas. As a previous Teams racer, it can be quite hard to distinguish your own team cars with another. For eg, at Huntly 2 years ago, Pumas, Rotorua, and North Island select and I think Maulers had black or dark coloured bodies. When racing Rotorua, as a blocker, my only clue (when looking in the mirror) who was who, was Rotorua had white wings on the left side. When we raced Nth Is select, who were pretty much plain black, I nearly took out my team mate. I should of been focusing on the sunvisor's as theirs had nothing. I know another Puma at Auckland had trouble telling teams apart when all you have to look at is a 6"x 4" mirror.
Certainly watching on livestream etc, it's hard enough to tell which car is which in a team, let alone which team is which. Just my 10 cents.
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Post by BarryB on Mar 9, 2020 0:21:03 GMT 12
If just for Crowd, how about different colourede wing or sticker on wing on crowd side. Colours are just as much sponsor colours as well It needs to be both sides, as the crowd see the cars from both sides during the race, as do the stream watchers. Remember when Kihikihi were white down one straight and black up the other straight? That was tricky when they were all in a pack. 4 black and 4 white down one straight, 8 black cars down the other straight hahahahaha. Teams racing is one of the best things Speedway has. We should be making it as accessible as possible. We got rid of the confusing team numbers. Next is the confusing team colours. The teams owe it to the fans, and to the future (hopeful) growth of the sport. Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 1:06:12 GMT 12
I've got the solution. It's easy. Let's go to team numbers and so we don't get clashes the team #s can be 3 digit IE the black team that starts with 8 are team A, while the black team that finishes in 5s is team B.
What could possibly go wrong?
Seriously tho why can't the track letter code be the most prominent part of the number for teams racing. Shouldn't be a problem now everyone uses team body's yeah?
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