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Post by martian on Apr 16, 2020 8:18:15 GMT 12
Hi is then anyone out there building space frame mini stock with plans and pit falls they may have run into with building
Thanks
If you read this correctly then maybe you will understand what we are asking
Current format is getting to expensive and hard to get parts, front ends etc are near all rusted out
Were thinking along lines of beam
Thanks
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Post by Racerman on Apr 19, 2020 10:47:25 GMT 12
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Post by tank11 on Apr 19, 2020 17:24:30 GMT 12
That's a flat chassis, he asked for a space frame plan. |
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Post by Racerman on Apr 20, 2020 9:16:57 GMT 12
That's a flat chassis, he asked for a space frame plan. There is no space frame plans for a ministock, this is all that is permitted, you should read and understand the rules |
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Post by bighits2 on Apr 20, 2020 16:19:52 GMT 12
Snz were about to release a new plan which had been discussed. Which may of been a spaceframe plan.
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Post by graemeh on Apr 20, 2020 16:33:07 GMT 12
Snz were about to release a new plan which had been discussed. Which may of been a spaceframe plan. Any official source to back this post up? Effectively anyone considering a rebuild or new car could put their plans on hold. |
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Post by bighits2 on Apr 20, 2020 17:56:02 GMT 12
Check out snz board summary 288 for info.
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Post by mrdamage on Apr 20, 2020 18:19:18 GMT 12
Straight from the SNZ rule book; Ministock Ministock plans. (See Appendix A) or the approved Warner Ministock Plans (See Appendix C). The plans cannot be mixed and matched, must be completely one set of plans. (Feb 2020) www.speedway.co.nz/asset/downloadasset?id=406009b2-87f2-4f21-a130-839ab5d85b0cIm not really a ministock fiend, but looks to me like placement of the rollcage vertical bar in relation to the diff notch. |
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Post by tank11 on Apr 20, 2020 21:14:10 GMT 12
That's a flat chassis, he asked for a space frame plan. There is no space frame plans for a ministock, this is all that is permitted, you should read and understand the rules Yes, you know that and I know that, but the request was for "ministock space frame plans" so I didn't comment. You provided him with flat chassis plans. I just pointed out that that wasn't what he requested. |
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Post by martian on Apr 23, 2020 11:56:22 GMT 12
There are always room for improvement in anything . There for there must be changes to improve.
Other wise we would still be in the dark ages, even with lock down it may seem like this
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Post by martian on May 1, 2020 8:18:30 GMT 12
That's a flat chassis, he asked for a space frame plan. There is no space frame plans for a ministock, this is all that is permitted, you should read and understand the rules Rules change it is called progress, if you want to keep speedway alive Covington -19 rules change every hour we have to adapt to today’s needs simple |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 9:46:59 GMT 12
If ministox are a learner class surely the kids should be able to learn how to set up a spacey or flat chassis stockcar...its more beneficial to them going forward. Why keep teaching them old knowledge, no one really builds flatties any more..
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Post by chris13w on May 3, 2020 18:12:15 GMT 12
If ministox are a learner class surely the kids should be able to learn how to set up a spacey or flat chassis stockcar...its more beneficial to them going forward. Why keep teaching them old knowledge, no one really builds flatties any more.. No one builds stockcars with McPherson struts either, so not really much relevance either way! Seeing that Datsun struts are worth about $500 each - they should be transitioning Ministocks to axle beams with standard dimensions, standard stubs and a standard regulated coil over spring/shock. Would mean a major reduction in running costs - so that will never happen then... |
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Post by bighits2 on May 3, 2020 19:17:22 GMT 12
Chris 13w I don't know where you get $500 each for the struts! If that's the case we have $25k worth of them sitting in the shed that I have collected over 20 years. Personally I have seen them advertised for up to $250 but definitely not $500.
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Post by tank11 on May 4, 2020 7:51:00 GMT 12
Chris 13w I don't know where you get $500 each for the struts! If that's the case we have $25k worth of them sitting in the shed that I have collected over 20 years. Personally I have seen them advertised for up to $250 but definitely not $500. $250 each or a pair? |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on May 4, 2020 10:26:21 GMT 12
even $250 a pair is out the gate, That's why there is $15,000 ministocks lol
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Post by martian on May 4, 2020 16:45:13 GMT 12
This is why we asked in 1st place
By using beam front end much simpler
As someone has said they have stock piled them
Go out and try and find a Nissan or Toyota car that is still running and cost
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Post by chris13w on May 4, 2020 17:18:54 GMT 12
Chris 13w I don't know where you get $500 each for the struts! If that's the case we have $25k worth of them sitting in the shed that I have collected over 20 years. Personally I have seen them advertised for up to $250 but definitely not $500. When I cleared my Ministock parts out years ago I easily got $500 for some big tube struts on Trade Me, can't exactly remember now if that was each or for a pair, but as someone else commented - they have all been hoarded over the years, so some people may have a fortune's worth - but if you don't have ANY, and its a controlled part that you have to use - then you have to pay what the market demands don't you! This is the problem with the whole class, it's 30 years old and was thought up in an era when in theory you could buy a rusted out car with every part you needed for about $250... I don't think that if you started from scratch now you would design an entry class where a car can easily cost $10K.  On cost grounds though you would have to say that a fabricated beam axle (and even aftermarket 4 bars welded to a standard diff) would have to be way cheaper than the "hens teeth" old parts the class is currently based around? SNZ could even do what they do with carb spacers, get standard brackets laser cut and you have to buy from them, then weld them to your own axle tubes - end result is every car is still the same and you can easily make a scrutineering template to make sure the mounts are standard. Or engineers could turn out standard beams just like they do for bumpers, bolt in replacements off the shelf. Insisting on rare, expensive, standard parts is only one way of ensuring a level playing field, as long as the end result is all cars being the same, why does it matter how you get there. Just a thought  |
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Post by chris13w on May 4, 2020 17:20:08 GMT 12
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Post by chris13w on May 4, 2020 17:24:53 GMT 12
This is why we asked in 1st place By using beam front end much simpler As someone has said they have stock piled them Go out and try and find a Nissan or Toyota car that is still running and cost This is all "dreams are free" however, this class will never change - that revised chassis drawing in the rule book is only because the original never made any sense anyway - how can you have a roll cage brace that is only braced back a couple of inches from the rear hoop, makes NO engineering sense at all. |
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