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Post by Go Slideways on Jan 18, 2021 12:12:14 GMT 12
Who makes these rules? since it's been a problem more than once might be a good idea for whoever is a member to consider putting in a remit or motion to change the onus of responsibility from the competitor to the officials to have a smoother running championship.
Maybe change the rule by adding the yellow words - "At all allocated titles the top three placed vehicles from every race must report to the scales or vehicle inspection area as directed by the officials for weight checking at the completion of every race."
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Post by BarryB on Jan 18, 2021 12:53:15 GMT 12
Who makes these rules? since it's been a problem more than once might be a good idea for whoever is a member to consider putting in a remit or motion to change the onus of responsibility from the competitor to the officials to have a smoother running championship. Maybe change the rule by adding the yellow words - "At all allocated titles the top three placed vehicles from every race must report to the scales or vehicle inspection area as directed by the officials for weight checking at the completion of every race." As there are times, in contact racing at least, where a driver does not know whether he/she is in the top 3. It is definitely an area that competitors and officials need to be working together on. |
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Post by hbhornets on Jan 18, 2021 14:04:15 GMT 12
Well ill give my view. Since everybody else is. Very good job meeanee. Compared to the worst new zealand superstock title in memory. Huge success. Huge improvement. Tried to copy rotorua. But posting results and amended results by themselfs wasnt quite enough without the points to go with them. Stu did need more info. And friday even i struggled at times to follow whi was up and down. And if im struggling everybody else doesnt have a nuts show. I gave up and started to just enjoy stockcar racing.
83g! was pumped for her to take out 11k in quilfying so the 29g could qualify from his group.
After friday night a huge success let themselves down saturday with the decisions that will be remembered for this championship. A shame but be proud of yourselfs and what you have achieved. Through need better tow truck drivers.
Hardluck goes to 5b, 261b, and 16b. Still pissed officals missed 99s passing 12 cars under red. The what ifs of life.
Cant wait for this championship in welly. Bring it on 2023. Wothout a doubt the real glamour title without the charm. Thanks to the drivers and organizers who made it possible.
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Post by The Observer on Jan 18, 2021 15:06:32 GMT 12
Over some years there has been a few exclusions from titles and championships for this reason...failing to weigh after a race. The drivers are just wanting to get back to the pit area..theres lots going on and lots being said by lots of different people... Rotorua had a white board at the pit gate this year with the car numbers on it who had to weigh in post race and I think at least 2 SNZ people directing and gaining the attention of the drivers to go to the weigh bridge.. problem solved very easily.. A simple solution that is easily replicated.. I agree totally with this it should be SNZ responsibility to direct the drivers, feel sorry for Luke Miers came from grid 27, he may not even have known he was 2nd. SNZ should also be randomly picking cars as well, be too easy for someone not in the running to be a touch overweight. A little like SNZ should announce over a loudspeaker that a drivers briefing is due? Or run a role call at the start of the drivers briefing to make sure everyone is there? I feel for my good mate Colin Cameron, his lovely wife and his main man who travelled all the way from Christchurch, drove the wheels of his car in the group of death and qualified for the big show. Only to be robbed of the chance to race in the big show in his swan song year by power crazed officials who forgot how to organise a proper drivers briefing. In the protest room 8 other drivers said they also didn’t hear the call for the meeting and had to hustle after being called for the event. Such a tradgedy - when the drivers rep for the final realised we had one missing he immediately ran to find 107c, and one hurried phone call later he was immediately there. For the officials, then the protest committee to decide despite the evidence to kick out a driver who follows all the rules, is a life member of his local club, sponsors two Stockcar teams with paint jobs is just an enormous waste. It also set a very clear precedent, and there was no surprises that two cars were kicked out of the championship for not going over the scales. Drivers were told they would be notified over the in car radios if they were 1,2,3 to go over the scales, however I don’t know if this was done in the finals. I do know it’s tough to hear the radio, keep the pods in your ears, and keep it all together after a frantic heat. It’s a real shame that things took a very negative turn thanks to officiating decisions. |
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 18, 2021 15:48:51 GMT 12
Got to disagree with you. Red group heat 3 was epic. Okay. Two great races out of about 45 races. Barry B well ahead of suprestocks, 3/4 of a lap out of how many races  |
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Post by d1dazza on Jan 18, 2021 17:36:21 GMT 12
I agree totally with this it should be SNZ responsibility to direct the drivers, feel sorry for Luke Miers came from grid 27, he may not even have known he was 2nd. SNZ should also be randomly picking cars as well, be too easy for someone not in the running to be a touch overweight. A little like SNZ should announce over a loudspeaker that a drivers briefing is due? Or run a role call at the start of the drivers briefing to make sure everyone is there? I feel for my good mate Colin Cameron, his lovely wife and his main man who travelled all the way from Christchurch, drove the wheels of his car in the group of death and qualified for the big show. Only to be robbed of the chance to race in the big show in his swan song year by power crazed officials who forgot how to organise a proper drivers briefing. In the protest room 8 other drivers said they also didn’t hear the call for the meeting and had to hustle after being called for the event. Such a tradgedy - when the drivers rep for the final realised we had one missing he immediately ran to find 107c, and one hurried phone call later he was immediately there. For the officials, then the protest committee to decide despite the evidence to kick out a driver who follows all the rules, is a life member of his local club, sponsors two Stockcar teams with paint jobs is just an enormous waste. It also set a very clear precedent, and there was no surprises that two cars were kicked out of the championship for not going over the scales. Drivers were told they would be notified over the in car radios if they were 1,2,3 to go over the scales, however I don’t know if this was done in the finals. I do know it’s tough to hear the radio, keep the pods in your ears, and keep it all together after a frantic heat. It’s a real shame that things took a very negative turn thanks to officiating decisions. have to feel for colin cameron. All the effort and the amount he gives back to the sport. Pretty rubbish treatment if you ask me |
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Post by cobbya on Jan 18, 2021 18:38:27 GMT 12
Couldnt really tell watching the livestream ,but how much of a crowd was left by the time the third heat was on track , did families stick it out or was it just the hardcore stockcar fans left?
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Post by FlyingTheV on Jan 18, 2021 19:40:52 GMT 12
Families were starting to drift away from about 9.45 onwards. Best guess was that they may have lost around 15/20% of the crowd by the time the last heat started.
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Post by cobbya on Jan 18, 2021 20:07:16 GMT 12
Families were starting to drift away from about 9.45 onwards. Best guess was that they may have lost around 15/20% of the crowd by the time the last heat started. So a good number of people paid good money and due to the lateness didnt get to see the headline event , was there any thought given to shuffling the order of races ,I found it a hard watch even from the comfort of my lounge room and have sat through many a long night at tracks around the country . |
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Post by my2cents on Jan 18, 2021 20:18:23 GMT 12
I agree totally with this it should be SNZ responsibility to direct the drivers, feel sorry for Luke Miers came from grid 27, he may not even have known he was 2nd. SNZ should also be randomly picking cars as well, be too easy for someone not in the running to be a touch overweight. A little like SNZ should announce over a loudspeaker that a drivers briefing is due? Or run a role call at the start of the drivers briefing to make sure everyone is there? I feel for my good mate Colin Cameron, his lovely wife and his main man who travelled all the way from Christchurch, drove the wheels of his car in the group of death and qualified for the big show. Only to be robbed of the chance to race in the big show in his swan song year by power crazed officials who forgot how to organise a proper drivers briefing. In the protest room 8 other drivers said they also didn’t hear the call for the meeting and had to hustle after being called for the event. Such a tradgedy - when the drivers rep for the final realised we had one missing he immediately ran to find 107c, and one hurried phone call later he was immediately there. For the officials, then the protest committee to decide despite the evidence to kick out a driver who follows all the rules, is a life member of his local club, sponsors two Stockcar teams with paint jobs is just an enormous waste. It also set a very clear precedent, and there was no surprises that two cars were kicked out of the championship for not going over the scales. Drivers were told they would be notified over the in car radios if they were 1,2,3 to go over the scales, however I don’t know if this was done in the finals. I do know it’s tough to hear the radio, keep the pods in your ears, and keep it all together after a frantic heat. It’s a real shame that things took a very negative turn thanks to officiating decisions. All drivers know that there is a drivers briefing at every meeting championship or club meeting. For championships times for scrutinising, drivers briefing ect are on entry forms and normally announcements made over P.A system. As for weighing cars after races drivers are normally told at drivers briefing by Tech Stewards what will be happening, it is also in the rule book. Also sometimes after a race it is announced over the race radio. Yes there is lots more that could be done to help drivers but how far do you little pages that vibrate when drivers briefing is on, every driver is allocated a personal assistant, white boards, little computer screens in cars. Where do you stop? |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jan 18, 2021 20:36:10 GMT 12
A little like SNZ should announce over a loudspeaker that a drivers briefing is due? Or run a role call at the start of the drivers briefing to make sure everyone is there? I feel for my good mate Colin Cameron, his lovely wife and his main man who travelled all the way from Christchurch, drove the wheels of his car in the group of death and qualified for the big show. Only to be robbed of the chance to race in the big show in his swan song year by power crazed officials who forgot how to organise a proper drivers briefing. In the protest room 8 other drivers said they also didn’t hear the call for the meeting and had to hustle after being called for the event. Such a tradgedy - when the drivers rep for the final realised we had one missing he immediately ran to find 107c, and one hurried phone call later he was immediately there. For the officials, then the protest committee to decide despite the evidence to kick out a driver who follows all the rules, is a life member of his local club, sponsors two Stockcar teams with paint jobs is just an enormous waste. It also set a very clear precedent, and there was no surprises that two cars were kicked out of the championship for not going over the scales. Drivers were told they would be notified over the in car radios if they were 1,2,3 to go over the scales, however I don’t know if this was done in the finals. I do know it’s tough to hear the radio, keep the pods in your ears, and keep it all together after a frantic heat. It’s a real shame that things took a very negative turn thanks to officiating decisions. All drivers know that there is a drivers briefing at every meeting championship or club meeting. For championships times for scrutinising, drivers briefing ect are on entry forms and normally announcements made over P.A system. As for weighing cars after races drivers are normally told at drivers briefing by Tech Stewards what will be happening, it is also in the rule book. Also sometimes after a race it is announced over the race radio. Yes there is lots more that could be done to help drivers but how far do you little pages that vibrate when drivers briefing is on, every driver is allocated a personal assistant, white boards, little computer screens in cars. Where do you stop? Yeah, good idea, a white board at pit gate with the numbers of the 3 cars to be weighed at championships might be a very cheap low tech option.. |
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Post by midway on Jan 18, 2021 21:50:18 GMT 12
So if after the race is finished you head to the in field ,your car is boiling or has a problem almost ceasing stop the engine ,and you are top on points winning the final race ,are you disqualified for not heading to the scales ....
i ask this question as Kevin Free won the champs but his car s engine was a puff of steam on the in field after the final ..
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 18, 2021 22:13:17 GMT 12
just been reading program, WOW this was 21st running of this event, first 16 years stratford hadn,t had a single podium, but over the last five they have had a 1nz, two 2nz,two 3nz, must be doin something right.  |
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Post by mod46c on Jan 19, 2021 6:22:46 GMT 12
All drivers know that there is a drivers briefing at every meeting championship or club meeting. For championships times for scrutinising, drivers briefing ect are on entry forms and normally announcements made over P.A system. As for weighing cars after races drivers are normally told at drivers briefing by Tech Stewards what will be happening, it is also in the rule book. Also sometimes after a race it is announced over the race radio. Yes there is lots more that could be done to help drivers but how far do you little pages that vibrate when drivers briefing is on, every driver is allocated a personal assistant, white boards, little computer screens in cars. Where do you stop? Yeah, good idea, a white board at pit gate with the numbers of the 3 cars to be weighed at championships might be a very cheap low tech option.. Move scales to infield |
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Post by brendanlucas on Jan 19, 2021 7:14:52 GMT 12
Tripped over by 'our' own rules, what a sh!t of a way to be eliminated from a strong podium chance, especially in this bare knuckle sport. My comiserations to Luke Miers (and co.) and the former 1NZ (and co). Something deffinately needs to be sorted here, probably the only blight on the entire meeting from what I saw...
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Post by Tapped on Jan 19, 2021 8:56:29 GMT 12
I can understand that miers might not have had an idea where he finished, but its a harder argument, almost impossible, to make for smith especially as he had done a victory lap with the flag.
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