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Post by peanutbutterjelly on May 26, 2021 21:58:03 GMT 12
Long time listener, first time caller! What’s your thoughts around SNZ and their merry “men” rule changes? Correct me if I’m wrong but only SNZ approved seats are aloud in superstocks and stockcars now?
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Post by percy on May 27, 2021 10:01:58 GMT 12
A rule change was submitted as part of this years proposed technical rule changes to limit Superstock/Stockcar seats to approved seats only.
The wording in the SNZ release is a little confusing as it refers to the current rule being "amended". I've been advised the proposed rule change to only allow only SNZ approved seats will not proceed and the amendment relates to the current rule changing sections in the rule book (and thus needing to be renumbered).
So in effect no change to the existing rule.
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Post by hbhornets on May 27, 2021 16:06:36 GMT 12
Are run offs getting fixed this year or not?
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Post by tony68 on May 27, 2021 16:35:45 GMT 12
So can u still run chestnut seats hampton seats etc?
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Post by percy on May 27, 2021 20:34:32 GMT 12
Are run offs getting fixed this year or not? Racing rules can be changed via remit at the upcoming AGM. The submission period has closed and we will see what remits have been submitted when the 40-day pack is released on May 30th (this Sunday) |
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Post by percy on May 27, 2021 20:46:28 GMT 12
So can u still run chestnut seats hampton seats etc? The Superstock/Stockcar seat rules have not changed If those seats were compliant last season they will be compliant for the upcoming season |
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Post by midway on May 27, 2021 20:58:53 GMT 12
You forgot to add Brendon Lucas,s Lazy Boy ,his dreamer recliner ,feet up arrsss down
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Post by judge10tpt on Jul 5, 2021 21:13:30 GMT 12
ok, as i am reading through so of the rule changes, (Tech) that have been approved has anyone had any thoughts or direction on the sealing process, as now required for every motor i run a Falcon, and was intrested to see what other have thought about location for the below seals and then who is doing it? motor is currently legal, do i need to get it measured again? thoughts?  Tappet Cover/Valve Cover: Two seal locations per tappet cover/valve cover, a minimum of 200mm apart for each tappet cover/valve cover with each location consisting of either; two drilled bolts with holes of minimum 1.5mm diameter, two drilled holes with a minimum of 1.5mm diameter through the tappet cover/valve cover flange and a fixed part of the cylinder head, or a combination of the two (i.e a seal between a drilled bolt and a hole through the tappet cover/valve cover flange/fixed part of the cylinder head). Inlet manifold: One seal location per inlet manifold, consisting of either; Two drilled bolts with holes of a minimum 1.5mm diameter, two drilled holes with a minimum of 1.5mm diameter through the inlet manifold flange and a fixed part of the cylinder head, or a combination of the two (i.e a seal between a drilled bolt and a hole through the inlet manifold flange/fixed part of the cylinder head) |
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Post by judge10tpt on Jul 5, 2021 21:26:00 GMT 12
Also Remit 69
for Stockcars
the removal of these 2 Standards,
3) Snell SA-2010
4) Snell SA-2005
Drivers might want to check there helmets, i know mine is an SA-2010, still in great condition as i have looked after it, i am sure others will be the same,
so if passed i will be up for another helmet, yes i could go for a cheap $350 brand but i wont as my head is worth more, but another cost to the new season
S3-1-24 Helmets
Competitors surname must be on the helmet and must be of a minimum size of 12mm letters
to be printed on both sides of the helmet.
Full faced and comply with one of the following:-79
REMITS
1) Snell SA-2020
2) Snell SA-2015
5) FIA 8858-2010
6) FIA 8859-2015
7) FIA 8860-2010
8) SFI Foundation 31.1 (Open face) or 31.2 (Closed face) or 24.1
(Youth classes only) and labeled as such
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Post by magilla on Jul 6, 2021 17:38:33 GMT 12
Long time listener, first time caller! What’s your thoughts around SNZ and their merry “men” rule changes? Correct me if I’m wrong but only SNZ approved seats are aloud in superstocks and stockcars now? surely you would want the best/safest seats in what is supposedly a contact class. Makes sense that only the best are allowed (if the best are those that are approved) |
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Post by beachboy on Jul 6, 2021 21:21:17 GMT 12
Also Remit 69 for Stockcars the removal of these 2 Standards, 3) Snell SA-2010 4) Snell SA-2005 Drivers might want to check there helmets, i know mine is an SA-2010, still in great condition as i have looked after it, i am sure others will be the same, so if passed i will be up for another helmet, yes i could go for a cheap $350 brand but i wont as my head is worth more, but another cost to the new season S3-1-24 Helmets Competitors surname must be on the helmet and must be of a minimum size of 12mm letters to be printed on both sides of the helmet. Full faced and comply with one of the following:-79 REMITS 1) Snell SA-2020 2) Snell SA-2015 5) FIA 8858-2010 6) FIA 8859-2015 7) FIA 8860-2010 8) SFI Foundation 31.1 (Open face) or 31.2 (Closed face) or 24.1 (Youth classes only) and labeled as such your complaint/beef should be with the Helmet manufacturer not SNZ, as it is they who have decertified these helmets. Most helmet manufacturers only recommend a life span of 5yrs for competitive use. $6.70 per race is what it would cost you for a $1.5k helmet if you did 15 meetings per year for the certified life of the helmet. $6.70! is your head not worth that much judge10tpt ? |
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Post by hbhornets on Jul 6, 2021 23:58:10 GMT 12
Also Remit 69 for Stockcars the removal of these 2 Standards, 3) Snell SA-2010 4) Snell SA-2005 Drivers might want to check there helmets, i know mine is an SA-2010, still in great condition as i have looked after it, i am sure others will be the same, so if passed i will be up for another helmet, yes i could go for a cheap $350 brand but i wont as my head is worth more, but another cost to the new season S3-1-24 Helmets Competitors surname must be on the helmet and must be of a minimum size of 12mm letters to be printed on both sides of the helmet. Full faced and comply with one of the following:-79 REMITS 1) Snell SA-2020 2) Snell SA-2015 5) FIA 8858-2010 6) FIA 8859-2015 7) FIA 8860-2010 8) SFI Foundation 31.1 (Open face) or 31.2 (Closed face) or 24.1 (Youth classes only) and labeled as such your complaint/beef should be with the Helmet manufacturer not SNZ, as it is they who have decertified these helmets. Most helmet manufacturers only recommend a life span of 5yrs for competitive use. $6.70 per race is what it would cost you for a $1.5k helmet if you did 15 meetings per year for the certified life of the helmet. $6.70! is your head not worth that much judge10tpt ? For argument sake. You buy a hammer with a 5 year warranty. Do you replace it every 5 years because now its supposed to snap at 5 years next use or use it till its unusable. For my mind helmets are not rated by years but by what they have to endure. Which is his point. It doesn't become unsafe at 5 years because 5 years is up. It becomes unfit for purpose when its taken a few knocks and dings. They could happen at one year. It could happen at 12. |
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Post by beachboy on Jul 7, 2021 0:36:06 GMT 12
A hammer is not a safety device a helmet is. It's not a warranty issue. a lot of safety products have a life span.
It's not SNZ who are putting a life span on the helmets, its the manufacture and SNZ are obviously sensibly following these rules due to the contact nature of some classes that few other forms of motorsport have. . If your best friend went bungi jumping and they died because the cord snapped and you found out the cord manufacturer said it has to be replaced every 100 jumps and your friend was jump #101 then you found out they decided not to replace the cord because it looked in good condition and it cost a few $$ to replace, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't agree with their idea of trying to save a few $.
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Post by mod46c on Jul 7, 2021 7:13:15 GMT 12
A hammer is not a safety device a helmet is. It's not a warranty issue. a lot of safety products have a life span. It's not SNZ who are putting a life span on the helmets, its the manufacture and SNZ are obviously sensibly following these rules due to the contact nature of some classes that few other forms of motorsport have. . If your best friend went bungi jumping and they died because the cord snapped and you found out the cord manufacturer said it has to be replaced every 100 jumps and your friend was jump #101 then you found out they decided not to replace the cord because it looked in good condition and it cost a few $$ to replace, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't agree with their idea of trying to save a few $. Its not the manufacturer, its is the standards body in this case snell. So when SA2015 was released they would have withdrawn SA2010 (and when SA2020 is released SA2015 will be withdrawn), so technically at this point there is no such thing as SA2010 or any previous standard, you also shouldn't be able to purchase a SA2010 helmet since the new standard was released, from memory the manufacturer is supposed to retrieve all old stock from the market  . |
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Post by judge10tpt on Jul 23, 2021 20:58:51 GMT 12
Also Remit 69 for Stockcars the removal of these 2 Standards, 3) Snell SA-2010 4) Snell SA-2005 Drivers might want to check there helmets, i know mine is an SA-2010, still in great condition as i have looked after it, i am sure others will be the same, so if passed i will be up for another helmet, yes i could go for a cheap $350 brand but i wont as my head is worth more, but another cost to the new season S3-1-24 Helmets Competitors surname must be on the helmet and must be of a minimum size of 12mm letters to be printed on both sides of the helmet. Full faced and comply with one of the following:-79 REMITS 1) Snell SA-2020 2) Snell SA-2015 5) FIA 8858-2010 6) FIA 8859-2015 7) FIA 8860-2010 8) SFI Foundation 31.1 (Open face) or 31.2 (Closed face) or 24.1 (Youth classes only) and labeled as such your complaint/beef should be with the Helmet manufacturer not SNZ, as it is they who have decertified these helmets. Most helmet manufacturers only recommend a life span of 5yrs for competitive use. $6.70 per race is what it would cost you for a $1.5k helmet if you did 15 meetings per year for the certified life of the helmet. $6.70! is your head not worth that much judge10tpt ? ok now that the rule has passed, here is my reply to the above i have looked after my helmet, and no its not about cost, as i just spent $700 on a new Bell, its about the sport as a whole in one swoop, you deleted 10 years worth of Helmets and people need to know about it i would hate to be one of the drivers who like me take pride in their gear and look after it and brought this helmet in 2014 or early 2015 when 2010 was still the standard and now its not so up for another costs, which for some mean being on the track or not so word needs to go out, this rule affects everyone who has a helmet that "did" meet the standard last year, they need to check it and if its a 2010 or 2005, then you will need another helmet my advice to SNZ for the future is to, as the standard changes every 5 years, up date the rule and make it know with 1 years grace, that its going to change for example " from SNZ to all Competitor's its 2024, i reminder to everyone that 2025 sees helmets with the SNELL SA-2015 will no long be approved for use in all speedway classes except derby racing", please start looking at alternatives' as it example, now this is a way forward for the future, and that way you don't get into the same boat in the future reference 10+ years of gear which overnight, condition not withstanding become obsolete |
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Post by midway on Jul 23, 2021 22:51:10 GMT 12
A hammer is not a safety device a helmet is. Well really it is ,it protects us from you  along with a helment .. |
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Post by mod46c on Jul 25, 2021 16:13:11 GMT 12
your complaint/beef should be with the Helmet manufacturer not SNZ, as it is they who have decertified these helmets. Most helmet manufacturers only recommend a life span of 5yrs for competitive use. $6.70 per race is what it would cost you for a $1.5k helmet if you did 15 meetings per year for the certified life of the helmet. $6.70! is your head not worth that much judge10tpt ? ok now that the rule has passed, here is my reply to the above i have looked after my helmet, and no its not about cost, as i just spent $700 on a new Bell, its about the sport as a whole in one swoop, you deleted 10 years worth of Helmets and people need to know about it i would hate to be one of the drivers who like me take pride in their gear and look after it and brought this helmet in 2014 or early 2015 when 2010 was still the standard and now its not so up for another costs, which for some mean being on the track or not so word needs to go out, this rule affects everyone who has a helmet that "did" meet the standard last year, they need to check it and if its a 2010 or 2005, then you will need another helmet my advice to SNZ for the future is to, as the standard changes every 5 years, up date the rule and make it know with 1 years grace, that its going to change for example " from SNZ to all Competitor's its 2024, i reminder to everyone that 2025 sees helmets with the SNELL SA-2015 will no long be approved for use in all speedway classes except derby racing", please start looking at alternatives' as it example, now this is a way forward for the future, and that way you don't get into the same boat in the future reference 10+ years of gear which overnight, condition not withstanding become obsolete Interesting that the FIA 8858-2010 standard is still in but the sfi/snell sa2010 isn't. Found this on the internet (British?), this looks to be a much better way of specifying helmet validity. I also suspect there is no significant difference between snell and fia helemt standards at this level (a different standard applies for international events F1 etc). Standard Used Validity To be used with FHR To be used without FHR FIA 8860-2018 No Expiry Yes Yes FIA 8860-2018 ABP No Expiry Yes Yes FIA 8860-2010 Not Valid After 31.12.2028 Yes Yes FIA 8860-2010 & Snell SA2010 Not Valid After 31.12.2028 Yes Yes FIA8860-2004 Not Valid After 31.12.2020 Yes Yes FIA 8859-2015 No Expiry Yes Yes Snell SA2020 & FIA 8859-2015 No Expiry Yes Yes Snell SA2015 & FIA 8859-2015 No Expiry Yes Yes Snell SA2010 & FIA 8858-2002 Not Valid After 31.12.2023 Yes Yes Snell SA2010 & FIA 8858-2010 Not Valid After 31.12.2023 Yes Yes Snell SAH2010 & FIA8858-2010 Not Valid After 31.12.2023 Yes Yes Snell SA2010 Not Valid After 31.12.2023 No Yes Snell SAH 2010 Not Valid After 31.12.2023 No Yes Snell SA2015 Not Valid After 31.12.2023 No Yes |
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