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Post by daz on Jul 10, 2021 16:41:00 GMT 12
Over aggressive contact o'dear a competitor has to make a decision whether to give his opposition a light tap as opposed to reasonably heavier hit or other wise come under the wrath of an official who has determined the severity of the hit from their side line vantage point.Iam sure they are passing synthetic drugs around at the SNZ AGM coffee breaks. That’s just silly talk. The rule works well in Superstocks and remember, the club and driver representatives have voted for this rule to be passed, not SNZ |
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Jul 10, 2021 16:41:45 GMT 12
Post by Go Slideways on Jul 10, 2021 16:41:45 GMT 12
Is over aggressive contact very common? how many stand downs have been issued since the rule came into effect for Superstocks?
Personally I can only recall the Gisborne guy who straight-lined Ron Tye at the NZ Champs at Wanganui and Dylan Marshall's big hit at Huntly.
I can't recall anything like that in Stockcars at my track in recent years.
Just asking, I greatly admire really skilled drivers like Graeme Ward and many others who can fire people into the wall but not follow them in and drive away with no damage.
I might be wrong but maybe if it hasn't been a problem it won't be a problem and fans won't notice much difference, with the utmost respect to all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 16:49:29 GMT 12
You can still run flat tyres in teams racing by the way, just not in normal racing which is good, those chunks of dirt hurt lol. do they use softer dirt at teams events 😜 |
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Jul 10, 2021 17:22:31 GMT 12
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Post by hienekenno1 on Jul 10, 2021 17:22:31 GMT 12
You can still run flat tyres in teams racing by the way, just not in normal racing which is good, those chunks of dirt hurt lol. do they use softer dirt at teams events 😜 Na just as hard but normally they are going slower I suppose because they are blocking and waiting, that's the thought behind the rules I suppose. |
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Jul 10, 2021 17:41:37 GMT 12
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Post by hbhornets on Jul 10, 2021 17:41:37 GMT 12
Just seen Speedway New Zealand Facebook page had an update. Big changes that I picked out No Over aggressive contact (straight lining) in Stockcars No Outside flat tyres in Superstocks, Stockcars, Streetstocks Team Colours as Barry mentioned This is a huge change. And has alot more rammerications than the straight lining does. So does this apply new zealand championship events? So the year one stratford car and one rotorua were pushed around the track gone because of this rule? I would love to see it at club nights and regional titles, but if your gonna exclude teams do the right thing and add national titles please. This is a can of worms. Still haven't fixed the last terrible rule of rule offs either. Sigh. Change takes time. |
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Jul 10, 2021 18:12:39 GMT 12
Post by Roxcyford on Jul 10, 2021 18:12:39 GMT 12
Is over aggressive contact very common? how many stand downs have been issued since the rule came into effect for Superstocks? Personally I can only recall the Gisborne guy who straight-lined Ron Tye at the NZ Champs at Wanganui and Dylan Marshall's big hit at Huntly. I can't recall anything like that in Stockcars at my track in recent years. Just asking, I greatly admire really skilled drivers like Graeme Ward and many others who can fire people into the wall but not follow them in and drive away with no damage. I might be wrong but maybe if it hasn't been a problem it won't be a problem and fans won't notice much difference, with the utmost respect to all involved. in stockcars, 2 years ago 33s took out 72p in the final heat of KOA  |
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Jul 10, 2021 18:32:13 GMT 12
Post by midway on Jul 10, 2021 18:32:13 GMT 12
Over aggress ive.Iam sure they are passing synthetic drugs around at the SNZ AGM coffee breaks. Dont worry Percy is brighter than a neon light at a Eric Clapton concert in the Royal Albert hall oh yes over aggressive they must be confused with Cindys anti hate speeches be coming law . Iam pleased that Barry has taken a interest in the SNZ agm ,now being in the over 65 bracket a pensioner with Gold Card just shows when you loose sight of one interest ,another one pops along ..or up |
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Jul 10, 2021 18:33:38 GMT 12
Post by Roxcyford on Jul 10, 2021 18:33:38 GMT 12
Just seen Speedway New Zealand Facebook page had an update. Big changes that I picked out No Over aggressive contact (straight lining) in Stockcars No Outside flat tyres in Superstocks, Stockcars, Streetstocks Team Colours as Barry mentioned so this rule change makes it easier for a driver leading on points going into the final heat of the nz champs, to become 1NZ. did spanz members not see the final heat of last years nz championship, epic, may as well watch streetstock or ministocks same rules, have to feel for 16b who would of been nz champ last season under these new rules, stockcars is my class of choice and with less contact and as I stated earlier streetstock, ministocks, and now new zealands largest class all racing with minimal contact its goodbye from Roxcy who is now no longer a new zealand speedway fan.   . |
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Jul 10, 2021 18:55:03 GMT 12
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Post by Jeffery on Jul 10, 2021 18:55:03 GMT 12
Just seen Speedway New Zealand Facebook page had an update. Big changes that I picked out No Over aggressive contact (straight lining) in Stockcars No Outside flat tyres in Superstocks, Stockcars, Streetstocks Team Colours as Barry mentioned so this rule change makes it easier for a driver leading on points going into the final heat of the nz champs, to become 1NZ. did spanz members not see the final heat of last years nz championship, epic, may as well watch streetstock or ministocks same rules, have to feel for 16b who would of been nz champ last season under these new rules, stockcars is my class of choice and with less contact and as I stated earlier streetstock, ministocks, and now new zealands largest class all racing with minimal contact its goodbye from Roxcy who is now no longer a new zealand speedway fan. . Doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen. Just means there’ll be penalties for doing it… |
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Jul 10, 2021 19:00:38 GMT 12
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Post by beachboy on Jul 10, 2021 19:00:38 GMT 12
You can still run flat tyres in teams racing by the way, just not in normal racing which is good, those chunks of dirt hurt lol. do they use softer dirt at teams events 😜 that rule is likely to be brought in when it will suit the Panthers 🤣 Everything suits the Panthers my beached whale friend. The good the bad and the ugly. Bring it on. lol Some tires look pretty flat to me before the race has even started, so that must be a bit of a worry for you too, but not for the Panthers, they don't worry about much at all.  |
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Post by midway on Jul 10, 2021 19:02:03 GMT 12
Just seen Speedway New Zealand Facebook page had an update. Big changes that I picked out No Over aggressive contact (straight lining) in Stockcars No Outside flat tyres in Superstocks, Stockcars, Streetstocks Team Colours as Barry mentioned so this rule change makes it easier for a driver leading on points going into the final heat of the nz champs, to become 1NZ. did spanz members not see the final heat of last years nz championship, epic, may as well watch streetstock or ministocks same rules, have to feel for 16b who would of been nz champ last season under these new rules, stockcars is my class of choice and with less contact and as I stated earlier streetstock, ministocks, and now new zealands largest class all racing with minimal contact its goodbye from Roxcy who is now no longer a new zealand speedway fan. . I n all fairness the governing body of our sport has to be seen improving there standards of safety to competitors of the sport With out going into all the detail thats involved by osh now and Acc ,how it was yesterday is certainly not how it is today . And if you arent doing or showing something constructive ,there wont be a place to race regardless of how you may think .. |
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Post by beachboy on Jul 10, 2021 19:03:22 GMT 12
Seems today there is a controversial change of lap scoring systems, plenty of drivers not happy about the costs that will be incurred you not wrong they going to mylaps system ,which i hear is top notch but yet another expense have to fork out on the Dorian system was getting pretty old tech and still was without its problems. Time to update. |
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Jul 10, 2021 19:29:51 GMT 12
Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2021 19:29:51 GMT 12
Just seen Speedway New Zealand Facebook page had an update. Big changes that I picked out No Over aggressive contact (straight lining) in Stockcars No Outside flat tyres in Superstocks, Stockcars, Streetstocks Team Colours as Barry mentioned This is a huge change. And has alot more rammerications than the straight lining does. So does this apply new zealand championship events? So the year one stratford car and one rotorua were pushed around the track gone because of this rule? I would love to see it at club nights and regional titles, but if your gonna exclude teams do the right thing and add national titles please. This is a can of worms. Still haven't fixed the last terrible rule of rule offs either. Sigh. Change takes time. It's no different to the Superstock rule, contact will still happen just a limit on the more extreme hits that really only rarely happen. Personally I think that so long as it's well managed it's a good thing. |
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Post by hienekenno1 on Jul 10, 2021 20:19:59 GMT 12
Pretty much the 3rd heat at Waikaraka will be interesting, will we see a repeat of Meeanee last season, looks like not likely.
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Jul 10, 2021 20:56:27 GMT 12
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Post by hbhornets on Jul 10, 2021 20:56:27 GMT 12
This is a huge change. And has alot more rammerications than the straight lining does. So does this apply new zealand championship events? So the year one stratford car and one rotorua were pushed around the track gone because of this rule? I would love to see it at club nights and regional titles, but if your gonna exclude teams do the right thing and add national titles please. This is a can of worms. Still haven't fixed the last terrible rule of rule offs either. Sigh. Change takes time. It's no different to the Superstock rule, contact will still happen just a limit on the more extreme hits that really only rarely happen. Personally I think that so long as it's well managed it's a good thing. Sorry was about the flat tyre issue. Don't think I made that clear |
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Jul 10, 2021 21:44:11 GMT 12
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Post by craige on Jul 10, 2021 21:44:11 GMT 12
you not wrong they going to mylaps system ,which i hear is top notch but yet another expense have to fork out on the Dorian system was getting pretty old tech and still was without its problems. Time to update. sweet you offering to pay for mine 🤣🤣 |
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Jul 10, 2021 23:35:34 GMT 12
Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2021 23:35:34 GMT 12
It's no different to the Superstock rule, contact will still happen just a limit on the more extreme hits that really only rarely happen. Personally I think that so long as it's well managed it's a good thing. Sorry was about the flat tyre issue. Don't think I made that clear The flat right rear rule is pretty much on the money too. We all have seen the damage done to racing surfaces along with the lumps of clay hitting the customers sometimes causing injury. |
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Post by hbhornets on Jul 10, 2021 23:52:50 GMT 12
Sorry was about the flat tyre issue. Don't think I made that clear The flat right rear rule is pretty much on the money too. We all have seen the damage done to racing surfaces along with the lumps of clay hitting the customers sometimes causing injury. Sounded like right fronts as well. I agree they do. And I do not have an issue with the rule. If they can exempt teams. They have the power to exempt snz championships as well. Its all about how it will be enforced. And how they do that. Then do you get points for a dnf with a type and zero for outside assistance? Its changed the new zealand Champs. And I do not know for the good or the bad. But thinking back to the recent classics or Baypark and Meeanee. We are moving in the direction of our British counterparts. |
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Jul 11, 2021 7:26:26 GMT 12
Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2021 7:26:26 GMT 12
The flat right rear rule is pretty much on the money too. We all have seen the damage done to racing surfaces along with the lumps of clay hitting the customers sometimes causing injury. Sounded like right fronts as well. I agree they do. And I do not have an issue with the rule. If they can exempt teams. They have the power to exempt snz championships as well. Its all about how it will be enforced. And how they do that. Then do you get points for a dnf with a type and zero for outside assistance? Its changed the new zealand Champs. And I do not know for the good or the bad. But thinking back to the recent classics or Baypark and Meeanee. We are moving in the direction of our British counterparts. Sorry , force of habit made me type right rear. It's either of the outside tyres. |
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Post by nakifans on Jul 11, 2021 8:39:59 GMT 12
so this rule change makes it easier for a driver leading on points going into the final heat of the nz champs, to become 1NZ. did spanz members not see the final heat of last years nz championship, epic, may as well watch streetstock or ministocks same rules, have to feel for 16b who would of been nz champ last season under these new rules, stockcars is my class of choice and with less contact and as I stated earlier streetstock, ministocks, and now new zealands largest class all racing with minimal contact its goodbye from Roxcy who is now no longer a new zealand speedway fan. . I n all fairness the governing body of our sport has to be seen improving there standards of safety to competitors of the sport With out going into all the detail thats involved by osh now and Acc ,how it was yesterday is certainly not how it is today . And if you arent doing or showing something constructive ,there wont be a place to race regardless of how you may think .. As Midway states, what was good yesterday due to OSH and ACC rules and requirements now the employer, promoter , organizer or whatever has to have a written procedure to point out all hazards that can cause injury and the procedures to try and eliminate injury or death. It may appear on the surface that we are going away from contact in the sport but I think they are just trying to eliminate the one's most likely to cause the most injury. As an example but not to do with speedway, to show how you must at least have procedures written down and visible . A Waikato farm was fined $330k for the death of an employee riding a quad bike with incorrect tyre pressure and the employer had no written procedures re how to inflate the tyres correctly. Roxy, don't get in a huff, speedway and your beloved stockcars will still provide the best $ value entertainment' Don't join the blue rinse knitting club yet. |
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