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Post by Regan O'Brien on Jul 13, 2021 13:01:17 GMT 12
While we may be lead to believe its all good for the sport moving forward by showing OSH we are doing things safely. If you really think about it having different rules for teams racing does make a mockery of the fact that the rules are brought in for the safety of the drivers. It's like saying in a manufacturing plant on Monday and Wednesday you can wear Jandels and not steel cap boots even thou we are still using the same equipment doing the same jobs. If SNZ did have to answer to OSH over a teams racing incident you have to feel they are not going to agree with the different rule set. What you are forgetting is that in a normal race you don't know who is going to straight line you off the end but in a teams race you are prepared to get picked up and wound off. That's where the rule still can comply with teams, less cars and you know what could happen. I bet you go up to the drivers after this years nz stockcars and ask them "did you know Corey Baker was going to wind you off?'" and i bet there answer would be NOPE. This is the issue that we are having in this sport as we are going way faster than we did 10 yrs ago and there are way more young guys looking to straight line as it is EASY to do. Any body can straight line. Lets see who are the REAL blockers now by using there back bumpers and not there front. I'll be watching. I feel we going to see a lot of swing and miss going on.  |
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SNZ Agm
Jul 13, 2021 13:59:46 GMT 12
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Post by beachboy on Jul 13, 2021 13:59:46 GMT 12
While we may be lead to believe its all good for the sport moving forward by showing OSH we are doing things safely. If you really think about it having different rules for teams racing does make a mockery of the fact that the rules are brought in for the safety of the drivers. It's like saying in a manufacturing plant on Monday and Wednesday you can wear Jandels and not steel cap boots even thou we are still using the same equipment doing the same jobs. If SNZ did have to answer to OSH over a teams racing incident you have to feel they are not going to agree with the different rule set. What you are forgetting is that in a normal race you don't know who is going to straight line you off the end but in a teams race you are prepared to get picked up and wound off. That's where the rule still can comply with teams, less cars and you know what could happen. I bet you go up to the drivers after this years nz stockcars and ask them "did you know Corey Baker was going to wind you off?'" and i bet there answer would be NOPE. This is the issue that we are having in this sport as we are going way faster than we did 10 yrs ago and there are way more young guys looking to straight line as it is EASY to do. Any body can straight line. Lets see who are the REAL blockers now by using there back bumpers and not there front. I'll be watching. I feel we going to see a lot of swing and miss going on. but the thing is a straight lining is either safe or unsafe. Wouldnt it be like alowing head high tackles in Rugby 7s and not the 15 aside game. It's unsafe at any level so they don't allow it. You must assume it's the impact from the collision in the straight lining as to why it's not wanted in normal racing, so how is the collision any softer in teams racing? Same cars same concrette wall. Have no problem with the rule either way but it's hard to justify it as a safety rule when it only applies to some races. |
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Jul 14, 2021 12:49:29 GMT 12
Post by midway on Jul 14, 2021 12:49:29 GMT 12
Eventually all good things come to a end ,it may take a little time ,but be assured it will happen .. |
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Jul 15, 2021 12:29:08 GMT 12
Post by Go Slideways on Jul 15, 2021 12:29:08 GMT 12
Eventually all good things come to a end ,it may take a little time ,but be assured it will happen .. They generally usually only hit to spin in Australia, do you think thats where we are heading cobber ? |
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Jul 15, 2021 18:08:22 GMT 12
Post by midway on Jul 15, 2021 18:08:22 GMT 12
Maybe a tickle ,or a touch ,thankyou very much Yes unfortunately All sports will be under constant review ,the injuries will be assessed as to how can we prevent this from happening . It only takes a report from an individual associated to a govt agency ,or even a Doctor can do the damage and the ball starts rolling .. These days it is so easy to have a stand down period on your license for something you may think is minor in health terms , |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Jul 16, 2021 6:34:52 GMT 12
What you are forgetting is that in a normal race you don't know who is going to straight line you off the end but in a teams race you are prepared to get picked up and wound off. That's where the rule still can comply with teams, less cars and you know what could happen. I bet you go up to the drivers after this years nz stockcars and ask them "did you know Corey Baker was going to wind you off?'" and i bet there answer would be NOPE. This is the issue that we are having in this sport as we are going way faster than we did 10 yrs ago and there are way more young guys looking to straight line as it is EASY to do. Any body can straight line. Lets see who are the REAL blockers now by using there back bumpers and not there front. I'll be watching. I feel we going to see a lot of swing and miss going on. but the thing is a straight lining is either safe or unsafe. Wouldnt it be like alowing head high tackles in Rugby 7s and not the 15 aside game. It's unsafe at any level so they don't allow it. You must assume it's the impact from the collision in the straight lining as to why it's not wanted in normal racing, so how is the collision any softer in teams racing? Same cars same concrette wall. Have no problem with the rule either way but it's hard to justify it as a safety rule when it only applies to some races. Yep it is unsafe in both teams and normal races but the risk is 10x higher in a normal race with 30 cars on the track as it is the unexpected hit but in teams you know its coming. |
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Post by BarryB on Jul 22, 2021 23:31:02 GMT 12
Can now confirm that neither Waikaraka Park or Huntly went ahead with their bids for three-day championships. Both the NZ Stockcar Champs and the NZ Superstock Champs will now definitely both be over 2 nights in 2022. A remit was also passed re when titles can be and cannot be staged, as below. Remit #23 Existing Rule M4-4 Allocated Title Dates M4-4-4 Allocated titles cannot take place before December 1 in the relevant season. Proposed Rule Change M4-4 Allocated Title Dates M4-4-4 (a) Allocated titles cannot take place before December 1 in the relevant season. (b) Allocated titles cannot take place on December 26. (c) Championships can only be run over two consecutive days not three. WHO DOES IT EFFECT: Speedway NZ Tracks, Competitors WHAT DOES IT MEAN: Allocated titles cannot be planned to take place over three days nor occur on Boxing Day Barry B |
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Jul 23, 2021 4:29:39 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 4:29:39 GMT 12
Can now confirm that neither Waikaraka Park or Huntly went ahead with their bids for three-day championships. Both the NZ Stockcar Champs and the NZ Superstock Champs will now definitely both be over 2 nights in 2022. A remit was also passed re when titles can be and cannot be staged, as below. Remit #23 Existing Rule M4-4 Allocated Title Dates M4-4-4 Allocated titles cannot take place before December 1 in the relevant season. Proposed Rule Change M4-4 Allocated Title Dates M4-4-4 (a) Allocated titles cannot take place before December 1 in the relevant season. (b) Allocated titles cannot take place on December 26. (c) Championships can only be run over two consecutive days not three. WHO DOES IT EFFECT: Speedway NZ Tracks, Competitors WHAT DOES IT MEAN: Allocated titles cannot be planned to take place over three days nor occur on Boxing Day Barry B The remit, if quoted accurately and passed as its written here, would mean a rain out on night two of a two night event would necessitate a complete re-run on new dates I assume a one day event that's rained out on the day and the alternate date has to be a complete new event? |
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Jul 23, 2021 7:43:30 GMT 12
Post by BarryB on Jul 23, 2021 7:43:30 GMT 12
Can now confirm that neither Waikaraka Park or Huntly went ahead with their bids for three-day championships. Both the NZ Stockcar Champs and the NZ Superstock Champs will now definitely both be over 2 nights in 2022. A remit was also passed re when titles can be and cannot be staged, as below. Remit #23 Existing Rule M4-4 Allocated Title Dates M4-4-4 Allocated titles cannot take place before December 1 in the relevant season. Proposed Rule Change M4-4 Allocated Title Dates M4-4-4 (a) Allocated titles cannot take place before December 1 in the relevant season. (b) Allocated titles cannot take place on December 26. (c) Championships can only be run over two consecutive days not three. WHO DOES IT EFFECT: Speedway NZ Tracks, Competitors WHAT DOES IT MEAN: Allocated titles cannot be planned to take place over three days nor occur on Boxing Day Barry B The remit, if quoted accurately and passed as its written here, would mean a rain out on night two of a two night event would necessitate a complete re-run on new dates I assume a one day event that's rained out on the day and the alternate date has to be a complete new event? It's a copy & paste Rammers. Interesting viewpoint. Wondering now whether that's covered off by another rule somewhere. I'll try and take a look today but it's more likely to be the weekend. It does say "cannot be planned to take place over three days" in the explanation, however the rule itself does say "can only be run over two consecutive days not three." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 7:51:18 GMT 12
Thanks BarryB. It just looks like, from a distance, that it's got unintended consequences written all over it. One day some hotshoe with too much money and no sense of self awareness will fail to qualify on night 1, night 2 gets rained out and held on night 3. Meanwhile the aforementioned Johnny Hotshoe mounts a legal challenge that says it's against the rules to run the event over 3 days. |
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Jul 23, 2021 8:38:33 GMT 12
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Post by tonyr on Jul 23, 2021 8:38:33 GMT 12
The way it is written, using the word “only”, means you can only have 2 day championships. No more one day events.
Who actually writes the rules?
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Jul 23, 2021 8:40:40 GMT 12
Post by petrolfumes on Jul 23, 2021 8:40:40 GMT 12
The remit, if quoted accurately and passed as its written here, would mean a rain out on night two of a two night event would necessitate a complete re-run on new dates I assume a one day event that's rained out on the day and the alternate date has to be a complete new event? It's a copy & paste Rammers. Interesting viewpoint. Wondering now whether that's covered off by another rule somewhere. I'll try and take a look today but it's more likely to be the weekend. It does say "cannot be planned to take place over three days" in the explanation, however the rule itself does say "can only be run over two consecutive days not three." Allocated titles cannot be planned to take place over three days nor occur on Boxing Day: I would read that doesnt include rainout as they are not planned. |
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Jul 23, 2021 9:08:26 GMT 12
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Post by hbhornets on Jul 23, 2021 9:08:26 GMT 12
It's a copy & paste Rammers. Interesting viewpoint. Wondering now whether that's covered off by another rule somewhere. I'll try and take a look today but it's more likely to be the weekend. It does say "cannot be planned to take place over three days" in the explanation, however the rule itself does say "can only be run over two consecutive days not three." Allocated titles cannot be planned to take place over three days nor occur on Boxing Day: I would read that doesnt include rainout as they are not planned. Each track should have plan if it gets rained out. Rotorua had a plan rammers is right. However if you had a video of the rule being discussed and presented that in court the judge takes that into consideration as he has context on what the rule is about and why it is there in the first place. But im guessing the agm is not videod. Something to probably think about in the future. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 14:10:19 GMT 12
Allocated titles cannot be planned to take place over three days nor occur on Boxing Day: I would read that doesnt include rainout as they are not planned. That's the intent behind the rule but the rule as passed is (c) Championships can only be run over two consecutive days not three. As tonyr rightfully points out the 7 ppl entering the NZ Solos now need an extra night's accommodation. I hadn't even considered that side of the coin. Altho to be fair NZ Speedway tracks are really good at making what is really only a one night event or format into two night events |
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Jul 23, 2021 14:15:47 GMT 12
Post by midway on Jul 23, 2021 14:15:47 GMT 12
Like Boxing day i may of thought Good Friday night to be included ,from a old respectful gentleman |
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Jul 23, 2021 21:02:11 GMT 12
Post by judge10tpt on Jul 23, 2021 21:02:11 GMT 12
Posted and edited from another thread
the removal of 2 Standards for Helmets,
3) Snell SA-2010
4) Snell SA-2005
Drivers might want to check there helmets, i know mine is an SA-2010, still in great condition as i have looked after it, i am sure others will be the same,
S3-1-24 Helmets
Competitors surname must be on the helmet and must be of a minimum size of 12mm letters
to be printed on both sides of the helmet.
Full faced and comply with one of the following:-79
REMITS
1) Snell SA-2020
2) Snell SA-2015
5) FIA 8858-2010
6) FIA 8859-2015
7) FIA 8860-2010
8) SFI Foundation 31.1 (Open face) or 31.2 (Closed face) or 24.1
(Youth classes only) and labeled as such
ok now that the rule has passed,
this is not about cost for me, as i just spent $700 on a new Bell, its about the sport as a whole
in one swoop, 10 years worth of Helmets were deleted and people need to know about it
i would hate to be one of the drivers who like me take pride in their gear and look after it and brought this helmet in 2014 or early 2015 when 2010 was still the standard and now its not
so word needs to go out, this rule affects everyone who has a helmet that "did" meet the standard last year, they need to check it and if its a 2010 or 2005, then you will need another helmet
my advice to SNZ for the future is to, as the standard changes every 5 years, up date the rule and make it know with 1 years grace, that its going to change
for example " from SNZ to all Competitor's its 2024, i reminder to everyone that 2025 sees helmets with the SNELL SA-2015 will no long be approved for use in all speedway classes except derby racing", please start looking at alternatives'
as it example,
now this is a way forward for the future, and that way you don't get into the same boat in the future reference 10+ years of gear which overnight, condition not withstanding become obsolete
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