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Post by hbhornets on Aug 24, 2021 0:15:50 GMT 12
Meh; just open the borders and be done with it in 6 months until becomes endemic. The WWII hero generation minus some tiny percent have all passed; Trying to save the current oldies is destroying our freedoms, economy and kids long term future. Open it now while we still have a chance to remain competitive; nature will take its unfortunate path, but it will save the country tens if not hundreds of billions over the coming decades in pension and healthcare costs. With 20 percent of the population vacanciated your Alittle early to the party. And its not the 10s of billions of dollars you think it is. Every death has a financial impact and cost. You let the virus go and you end up in a worse place. Fear spreads and takes hold and the encomony grinds to a halt. Not by not having freedom. But but the fear not to do anything. And then your looking at longer periods of encomonic loss. A longer recovery at a larger cost. Think you need to go back look at the Swedish reply to covid and the effects. Nope government has it right. Think Churchill said it best. Democracy is a terrible from of governance, but its far better than any other alternative we have. |
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Post by brendanlucas on Aug 24, 2021 6:51:15 GMT 12
The trouble with controlling this virus which is totally different to eradication, is misinformation on social media. Example, GPS tacking devices in the vaccine, another nutter who sent out texts saying he was a person in high authority in the health dept and the nurse who has covid was looking after the infected UN worker and a huge cover up to avoid embarrassment to the Govt. Mr Google, UN worker Middlemore Hospital, nurse AK Hospital. Due to us wanting freedom and not accepting any type of restrictions even thou it being done for our and future generations well being, scanning or written identification small price to pay to attend any type of entertainment. The biggest change is mindset. Mr Google again, under legislation the Director Of Health controls and recommends the actions of covid or any other such pandemic, Govt of day can only act on his/hers recommendations . Speedway like other venues need scanning queues and manual entry one's. I'm sure our forefathers who were bundled off to war to give our country a better way of life would turn in their graves to see the way some carry on with their attitude towards controlling the pandemic for the good of current and future generations. We need to vaccinate, if past generations hadn't vaccinated we would still have Polio, TB, Rubella etc. As a lecturer in a past life over 50 yrs ago said, he called the flu virus the lock and key disease, always changing combinations, covid same. Pretty well said that, but if you are like myself and believe the tracking devices will send out satanic messaging, all you need to do is wear you're tin foil hat (as i have done) during the first injection, and just beyond the second injection, and..., switch to a cake diet, I have chosen fruit cake, others might go for banana - I believe in cake, these measure will overcome any satanic messaging transmitted from the vaccine, trust me. Evil thoughts, well thats another matter. BL |
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Post by tank11 on Aug 24, 2021 8:25:40 GMT 12
Evil thoughts, well thats another matter. BL What, you have evil thoughts! |
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Post by wildcatsfan on Aug 24, 2021 9:59:15 GMT 12
Roll on the Spring months so we can start discussing speedway matters again!
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Post by hienekenno1 on Aug 24, 2021 10:40:47 GMT 12
Roll on the Spring months so we can start discussing speedway matters again! Man let's hope so! Over listening to Jacinda every day. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 14:15:01 GMT 12
Roll on the Spring months so we can start discussing speedway matters again! Man let's hope so! Over listening to Jacinda every day. I got a funny feeling in my water that come springtime and into summer any speedway discussions will be lamenting the lack of speedway rather than about what went down last Saturday night. I hear ya about Jacinda and if I never saw or heard her again then my life would be a whole lot better. Having said that I would far sooner listen to her mangle the English language as she trots out her well rehearsed lines that focus group testing have indicated will make her look good that listen to that Chris Hipkins. How he keeps a straight face as he tells his lies is beyond me. The man is almost a parody and the only thing stopping it being a funny act, right up there with Comical Ali during the Iraq invasion is that he's actually one of the ones in charge of this mess. |
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Post by hienekenno1 on Aug 24, 2021 15:09:16 GMT 12
Yep telling us for two weeks that there are no cases in the community is a pretty big stuff up.
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Post by midway on Aug 24, 2021 20:47:38 GMT 12
 BL must be off his rocker He is into the cake mix of Betty Crocker , But not only that He wears a tin foil hat You can see he is affected by the new Delta strain As it flows down the most important vein 
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Post by nakifans on Aug 25, 2021 1:21:45 GMT 12
Yep telling us for two weeks that there are no cases in the community is a pretty big stuff up. With the test results at the time the only positive results coming back were from MIQ and none from the community test results , so hence no community cases to report at the time. The Devonport tradesman set the ball rolling in community cases and since then it has spread quicker than rumours after the work xmas function. TV1 last night gave a good easy to understand pattern of growth how quickly the Delta virus has spread compared to the Alpha variety during the lockdown periods of both strains. If the source of the current out break is a public walkway near an MIQ centre, should these Quarantine Centres be in heavy populated areas, why not in areas like Waiouru or one of our many islands off shore. Quarantine is Quarantine and we need the political party's to stop points scoring and actually work together to future proof our country, because as sure as our backside points to the ground pandemics will always be round. Could you imagine if in Waiouru, all civic clothing handed in and returned on departure, and wearing disposal quarantine gowns in the colour of the group you are designated to stop cross contamination of groups and identification made easier. After your quarantine period is up ,if you have not made arrangements satisfactory to management for payment of your stay you will be escorted to the secure unit. In the secure unit all previous privileges withdrawn such as going to the isolation booths in the towers and spotting MK1 series Land Rovers, Bren Carriers, Unimogs and 303 rifles and so on and naming all the varieties of tussock grasses you can see . If after a month in the secure unit payment arrangements still not made to the satisfaction of management you will be sent to maximum security in the Waitomo Caves. It seems ironic that some of those who bleat and whinge to return home , with the risk of bringing in the virus chose then not to pay for their MIQ stay. The virus is only here from travelers who seem to have no concise of the cost they have put on the nation. Flying has most certainly helped spread the virus, in the old sailing ship days most people with any sort of disease died before reaching their destination. |
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Post by mod46c on Aug 25, 2021 7:09:47 GMT 12
Yep telling us for two weeks that there are no cases in the community is a pretty big stuff up. With the test results at the time the only positive results coming back were from MIQ and none from the community test results , so hence no community cases to report at the time. The Devonport tradesman set the ball rolling in community cases and since then it has spread quicker than rumours after the work xmas function. TV1 last night gave a good easy to understand pattern of growth how quickly the Delta virus has spread compared to the Alpha variety during the lockdown periods of both strains. If the source of the current out break is a public walkway near an MIQ centre, should these Quarantine Centres be in heavy populated areas, why not in areas like Waiouru or one of our many islands off shore. Quarantine is Quarantine and we need the political party's to stop points scoring and actually work together to future proof our country, because as sure as our backside points to the ground pandemics will always be round. Could you imagine if in Waiouru, all civic clothing handed in and returned on departure, and wearing disposal quarantine gowns in the colour of the group you are designated to stop cross contamination of groups and identification made easier. After your quarantine period is up ,if you have not made arrangements satisfactory to management for payment of your stay you will be escorted to the secure unit. In the secure unit all previous privileges withdrawn such as going to the isolation booths in the towers and spotting MK1 series Land Rovers, Bren Carriers, Unimogs and 303 rifles and so on and naming all the varieties of tussock grasses you can see . If after a month in the secure unit payment arrangements still not made to the satisfaction of management you will be sent to maximum security in the Waitomo Caves. It seems ironic that some of those who bleat and whinge to return home , with the risk of bringing in the virus chose then not to pay for their MIQ stay. The virus is only here from travelers who seem to have no concise of the cost they have put on the nation. Flying has most certainly helped spread the virus, in the old sailing ship days most people with any sort of disease died before reaching their destination. The Spanish flu is still with us, as is the black death and any number of historical pandemic artifacts, so do we need to do any of the above? We need to vaccinate, and the current program should already be finished by now IMHO. Booster shots will be needed for the foreseeable future, as per the winter flu shot that some of the population receive. In time the human population will adjust, or this virus will mutate into a weaker strain less lethal version, or a combination of both. As for the start of this season, it has to be at risk. I can't see normal service resuming until the population is largely vaccinated, so at the current rate of progress that's looking like Christmas. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 7:58:34 GMT 12
Chris Hipkins (hereafter known as Lying C) said the other day that 70% of the population is either vaccinated or booked for their first shot, he didn't say so but I assume he means adult population. Now when I booked my first shot they booked me in for my second at the same time.
So using The lying C's own figures 70% of the population will be fully vax'd this time next month. (up to 2 weeks from their booking til their first shot, then their second shot 2 weeks later). Anyone think the headlines on 24/09 will be "70% of kiwis now fully vaccinated"
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Post by hienekenno1 on Aug 25, 2021 9:05:26 GMT 12
They better hurry up and get this all sorted, first practice at Waikaraka is on October 9th lol.
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Post by epmurc on Aug 25, 2021 10:25:31 GMT 12
The last couple of posts from Brett and Rammers has assured me there's still a few intelligent people inhabiting this space.
Here's one or three more things to ponder.................
According to the radio this morning, the number of Kiwis fully vccinated, that's both jabs, not a jab or a booking or combination of both, is 19%. We've got a ridiculously long way to go yet.
In last year's episode of the Covid saga we had a whole lot of people hospitalised and 26 deaths (that's with Covid, not necessarily from Covid). The Delta strain had been arriving in MIQ for many months now and there's about 150 cases in the community, this time around bugger all hospitalisations (you notice the government won't say that) and no deaths at all. Refer to Brett's post above about mutation.
"How many deaths from Covid are you prepared to say is acceptable?" What a load of bollix!!!!! Every year we have well over 1000 deaths from the flu, measles, meningitis, rheumatic fever and any number of other ills, yet nobody bats an eyelid. Why would deaths from Covid be treated any differently?
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Post by nakifans on Aug 25, 2021 10:55:40 GMT 12
Last time it got into rest homes and attacked the vulnerable
This time it is the younger generation, but unlike the older generation who were confined to enclosed space the younger generation are more out and about.
Contact tracing a far bigger issue
Just because it isn't in your street doesn't mean it isn't around the corner
Many believe it is the government's fault, if so why is the World Health Organisation at the helm of this pandemic
I also can't understand why the DHB's say they have a shortage of qualified personal, there seems to be far more qualified people on social media and talkback that could fill these vacancies if they are as qualified as there knowledge would led us to believe.
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Post by tank11 on Aug 25, 2021 14:45:54 GMT 12
The last couple of posts from Brett and Rammers has assured me there's still a few intelligent people inhabiting this space. Here's one or three more things to ponder................. According to the radio this morning, the number of Kiwis fully vccinated, that's both jabs, not a jab or a booking or combination of both, is 19%. We've got a ridiculously long way to go yet. In last year's episode of the Covid saga we had a whole lot of people hospitalised and 26 deaths (that's with Covid, not necessarily from Covid). The Delta strain had been arriving in MIQ for many months now and there's about 150 cases in the community, this time around bugger all hospitalisations (you notice the government won't say that) and no deaths at all. Refer to Brett's post above about mutation. "How many deaths from Covid are you prepared to say is acceptable?" What a load of bollix!!!!! Every year we have well over 1000 deaths from the flu, measles, meningitis, rheumatic fever and any number of other ills, yet nobody bats an eyelid. Why would deaths from Covid be treated any differently? What a load of round things.. you are right about one thing, what you suggest is BS. Classic is Bloomfields comparison, us v Scotland. Them 10,000 deaths while having covid, us just 26. Take your pick. |
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Post by mod46c on Aug 26, 2021 7:12:12 GMT 12
The last couple of posts from Brett and Rammers has assured me there's still a few intelligent people inhabiting this space. Here's one or three more things to ponder................. According to the radio this morning, the number of Kiwis fully vccinated, that's both jabs, not a jab or a booking or combination of both, is 19%. We've got a ridiculously long way to go yet. In last year's episode of the Covid saga we had a whole lot of people hospitalised and 26 deaths (that's with Covid, not necessarily from Covid). The Delta strain had been arriving in MIQ for many months now and there's about 150 cases in the community, this time around bugger all hospitalisations (you notice the government won't say that) and no deaths at all. Refer to Brett's post above about mutation. "How many deaths from Covid are you prepared to say is acceptable?" What a load of bollix!!!!! Every year we have well over 1000 deaths from the flu, measles, meningitis, rheumatic fever and any number of other ills, yet nobody bats an eyelid. Why would deaths from Covid be treated any differently? What a load of round things.. you are right about one thing, what you suggest is BS. Classic is Bloomfields comparison, us v Scotland. Them 10,000 deaths while having covid, us just 26. Take your pick. He was talking pre-vaccination in the main, also if I remember correctly Skegg when pushed has indicated that elimination isn't a viable long term solution. "Until the vaccination rollout is completed, the case for maintaining our elimination strategy is compelling," |
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Post by tank11 on Aug 26, 2021 8:26:11 GMT 12
What a load of round things.. you are right about one thing, what you suggest is BS. Classic is Bloomfields comparison, us v Scotland. Them 10,000 deaths while having covid, us just 26. Take your pick. He was talking pre-vaccination in the main, also if I remember correctly Skegg when pushed has indicated that elimination isn't a viable long term solution. "Until the vaccination rollout is completed, the case for maintaining our elimination strategy is compelling," Pre vax is were we are at, at present! Scotland (UK) is into vax strategy and Scotland have lost around 10,000 in the same time we have lost 26. Until we are at over 90% vaxxed, best thing to do is stop movement around the place. We have one worker who won't come to work for fear of covid, but won't get vaxxed! We are not in a covid city! |
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Post by mod46c on Aug 26, 2021 10:05:53 GMT 12
He was talking pre-vaccination in the main, also if I remember correctly Skegg when pushed has indicated that elimination isn't a viable long term solution. "Until the vaccination rollout is completed, the case for maintaining our elimination strategy is compelling," Pre vax is were we are at, at present! Scotland (UK) is into vax strategy and Scotland have lost around 10,000 in the same time we have lost 26. Until we are at over 90% vaxxed, best thing to do is stop movement around the place. We have one worker who won't come to work for fear of covid, but won't get vaxxed! We are not in a covid city! My sister in-law lies in Scotland so I'm reasonably familiar with the situation there. There lock down was loser than level 4, but was very long ~18 months on and off. I thought we were discussing post vax, as per the initial post above. And yep irrational fear will need to dealt with |
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Post by tank11 on Aug 26, 2021 11:58:25 GMT 12
Pre vax is were we are at, at present! Scotland (UK) is into vax strategy and Scotland have lost around 10,000 in the same time we have lost 26. Until we are at over 90% vaxxed, best thing to do is stop movement around the place. We have one worker who won't come to work for fear of covid, but won't get vaxxed! We are not in a covid city! My sister in-law lies in Scotland so I'm reasonably familiar with the situation there. There lock down was loser than level 4, but was very long ~18 months on and off. I thought we were discussing post vax, as per the initial post above. And yep irrational fear will need to dealt with Originally was about contact tracing in all levels from here on. I wish the govt well, to get above 80% vaxxed. Just can't see it happening. I'm off for my second today. |
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Post by mod46c on Aug 26, 2021 15:14:58 GMT 12
My sister in-law lies in Scotland so I'm reasonably familiar with the situation there. There lock down was loser than level 4, but was very long ~18 months on and off. I thought we were discussing post vax, as per the initial post above. And yep irrational fear will need to dealt with Originally was about contact tracing in all levels from here on. I wish the govt well, to get above 80% vaxxed. Just can't see it happening. I'm off for my second today. “Elimination refers to a specific population at a specific point in time,” |
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