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Post by BarryB on Aug 26, 2021 16:51:01 GMT 12
Chris Hipkins (hereafter known as Lying C) said the other day that 70% of the population is either vaccinated or booked for their first shot, he didn't say so but I assume he means adult population. Now when I booked my first shot they booked me in for my second at the same time. So using The lying C's own figures 70% of the population will be fully vax'd this time next month. (up to 2 weeks from their booking til their first shot, then their second shot 2 weeks later). Anyone think the headlines on 24/09 will be "70% of kiwis now fully vaccinated" No? Nah Don't do 2 weeks between your jabs Rammers. 21 days is the absolute minimum, but 6-8 weeks seems to be the go to now. Hipkins also told you to spread your legs. Have you done that? Barry B |
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Post by nakifans on Aug 27, 2021 5:20:52 GMT 12
Will we become a nation of have's and have's not
Have's those who get the vaccination, and allowed freedom to visit public parks and so on.
Have not's those who chose not to get vaccinated and denied these privileges.
NSW Premier leading the charge on this. We seem to take lead on what works and what doesn't from our Aussie Comrades.
There will be many sitting in the back yard with head wrapped in tin foil and reading the tea leaves waiting for the message to come thru to get vaccinated and enjoy a normal life.
Wasn't too long ago that it was a condition of getting your travel document, you had to have vaccination against certain disease's to travel to certain countries. Will this return.
Freedom is a privilege NOT a right.
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Post by sadfish on Aug 27, 2021 9:43:40 GMT 12
get with the program,get vaccinated it wont kill you, i know that not getting may kill you,soon it will be one of the vaccination that the kids will get at school or even babies in hospital,so when we finally open the borders up and the people come those that didn't have the jab will be crying that they might catch covid,well hard luck, you cant legislate against idiots
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Post by epmurc on Aug 27, 2021 10:11:50 GMT 12
with head wrapped in tin foil . Something I've been wondering, was tin foil ever made out of tin? |
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Post by midway on Aug 27, 2021 12:54:40 GMT 12
with head wrapped in tin foil . Something I've been wondering, was tin foil ever made out of tin? No :)drinking to much beer with Irishman ,i was about to say its made out of Rin Tin Tin the bowl he nutse in .. |
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Post by hbhornets on Aug 27, 2021 13:33:02 GMT 12
Will we become a nation of have's and have's not Have's those who get the vaccination, and allowed freedom to visit public parks and so on. Have not's those who chose not to get vaccinated and denied these privileges. NSW Premier leading the charge on this. We seem to take lead on what works and what doesn't from our Aussie Comrades. There will be many sitting in the back yard with head wrapped in tin foil and reading the tea leaves waiting for the message to come thru to get vaccinated and enjoy a normal life. Wasn't too long ago that it was a condition of getting your travel document, you had to have vaccination against certain disease's to travel to certain countries. Will this return. Freedom is a privilege NOT a right. Freedom is a right. But its something that must be recognized. And can be taken away at any momnet. We have a communist government. What I sore from nsw I don't like nore agree with. Amid rising covid they already talking about easing restrictions allowing vaccinated people to.gather in groups of 5 outside for a picnic? No longer than an hour. Why does the hour matter. Abit of a laugh if you ask me. |
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Post by midway on Aug 27, 2021 13:45:20 GMT 12
Rolling back to page one
One thing that comes to mind in my travels is the actual policing of those exempt from level 4 as it stands .
The driller for instance is allowed to drill up the quarry from jaffa land ,and there is so many exemptions .
So will schools be exempt ,hordes of students gather at bus stops in a playground etc ,trains and buses ,ferries from Waiheke etc
To actual single out large gatherings wont be that easy like going to a Marae for a tangi
Alot of questions need to be asked to M/ps over the Pm,s statement as to the legality of it all ,
Reflecting back imagine who would be responsible for the gathering on the Americas Cup that was hosted out on the gulf and the people from vantage points like North head ..
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Post by mod46c on Aug 27, 2021 15:41:42 GMT 12
Will we become a nation of have's and have's not Have's those who get the vaccination, and allowed freedom to visit public parks and so on. Have not's those who chose not to get vaccinated and denied these privileges. NSW Premier leading the charge on this. We seem to take lead on what works and what doesn't from our Aussie Comrades. There will be many sitting in the back yard with head wrapped in tin foil and reading the tea leaves waiting for the message to come thru to get vaccinated and enjoy a normal life. Wasn't too long ago that it was a condition of getting your travel document, you had to have vaccination against certain disease's to travel to certain countries. Will this return. Freedom is a privilege NOT a right. Freedom is a right. But its something that must be recognized. And can be taken away at any momnet. We have a communist government. What I sore from nsw I don't like nore agree with. Amid rising covid they already talking about easing restrictions allowing vaccinated people to.gather in groups of 5 outside for a picnic? No longer than an hour. Why does the hour matter. Abit of a laugh if you ask me. Psychological health is also important |
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Post by TimSOZ on Aug 27, 2021 18:34:30 GMT 12
Most tracks in Australia had to do this all of last season without incident. Some tracks were required to use a state government app, others used a Speedway Australia app/QR code system we supplied at no cost and others developed their own. If it’s the difference between opening and closing then it’ll be promptly sorted and you’ll soon be inside the gate ready to get your speedway fix. Won’t be an issue at all  |
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Post by blackbullet on Aug 28, 2021 11:28:42 GMT 12
The issue wont be contact tracing, I think the biggest issue will be alert levels, With only 100 people per group with 1 metre spacing in level 2, The only speedways that I can think would be able to run under these conditions would be Palmerston North and Baypark, Because these tracks have the seating to allow it, Bring on level 1
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Post by nakifans on Aug 28, 2021 13:55:39 GMT 12
Will we become a nation of have's and have's not Have's those who get the vaccination, and allowed freedom to visit public parks and so on. Have not's those who chose not to get vaccinated and denied these privileges. NSW Premier leading the charge on this. We seem to take lead on what works and what doesn't from our Aussie Comrades. There will be many sitting in the back yard with head wrapped in tin foil and reading the tea leaves waiting for the message to come thru to get vaccinated and enjoy a normal life. Wasn't too long ago that it was a condition of getting your travel document, you had to have vaccination against certain disease's to travel to certain countries. Will this return. Freedom is a privilege NOT a right. Freedom is a right. But its something that must be recognized. And can be taken away at any momnet. We have a communist government. Collins { NOT JUDITH } dictionary Communist Noun communistie L, communis , common Perhaps the word Collins more to feared in this case. Blue mist , Open the borders, bring in the covid but our books will look good briefly before we sink. Hope only essential traffic at upcoming check points , queues be shorter than previously and hold ups be minimal Fingers crossed that when covid levels play ball so does the weather |
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Post by midway on Aug 28, 2021 14:05:21 GMT 12
So thats why we having another Naki rainfall again ,but it has some merit ,it washing in the fertilizer application flown on yesterday ..
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Post by daleh on Aug 28, 2021 21:53:32 GMT 12
Meh; just open the borders and be done with it in 6 months until becomes endemic. The WWII hero generation minus some tiny percent have all passed; Trying to save the current oldies is destroying our freedoms, economy and kids long term future. Open it now while we still have a chance to remain competitive; nature will take its unfortunate path, but it will save the country tens if not hundreds of billions over the coming decades in pension and healthcare costs. With 20 percent of the population vacanciated your Alittle early to the party. And its not the 10s of billions of dollars you think it is. I checked my number against treasury forecasts and I'm correct, possibly under estimating. At at 20% full vaccination it is probably a bit late... I have also been one of those greatly affected by measures to "protect us" causing significant financial damage to livelihood, and children's future. Now having to rebuild business from near dead due to closed borders limiting ability to travel and bring in international income. I am also one of those who has probably had COVID overseas bringing money into the country while the government is at full spend mode (I had a bad cold for a week, most of our group had similar or more towards a flu; one of the older guys required minor medical treatment. Despite the media scare mongering and unfortunate few as per anything like cancer, car accidents; the reality one generation will mostly take the brunt) A part of the burden and forever guilt of true leadership is having to do action for the greater good; full well knowing some are going to pay a heavy price; there is also actual accountability and consequences. Note these last points. Other countries in the world have taken their pain, medicine and are now coming out hard. NZ's actual pain hasn't even begun, and there is nothing we can do to avoid it; COVID is not going to disappear and it will continue to morph so what have we actually gained, pseudo freedom for another 12 months? There is no point being emotional or taking it personnel, at the end of the day a government must balance its books or there will be severe consequences for the nation. Unfortunately and in cold hard terms those at greatest COVID risk are no longer a productive asset to the country but a liability. As mentioned, the great ones that we all owe a great debt to protect our freedoms have basically all passed; and we would all go to the end of the world to have protected them if required. The great ones even after dealing with the horrors on both cases, returned home cleared the land, built the farms, industries and had NZ in what 3rd-5th in OECD (or whatever it was then). The generation now at risk of COVID did what? took all those industries, world manufacturing and infrastructure that had been inherited by their parents and grandparents ran all that into the ground for a quick buck. Eventually crashing the economy leading to the self inflicted consequences of extreme tax, interest rates, austerity measures taking away benefits away from future generations they themselves received, oh and having to sell off many of the assets inherited from great ones. GREAT WORK!!! The reality before COVID, NZ was already in massive financial trouble with government liabilities expected to reach over 200% GDP due to a generation passing the buck previously, and still failing to act; therefore leaving a financial hole of over $200B for future generations. No, the now retiring generation have not earned that right as a group, there is a liability hole $200B $#@@ deep from mismanagement. Over the next 30 years the tax payers will have to fork out $600B for pension plus whatever nightmare the healthcare costs will be... As personally horrible other countries have had it; we would have removed $120B of that liability, and possibly towards the full $200B when including healthcare. (even today at $14B a year pension is the biggest govt spend, it will hit $40B!!!) In this case its not actually about sacrificing the at risk group, but because of that groups prior actions, we can not afford to protect them... Previous generations had covered their lifetimes, and other countries facing similar issues, even with assets of significant natural resources, took action decades ago. Many of these nations seeing what was coming formed ginormous retirement investment schemes to protect future generations from their burden. They have already taken further austerity measures as could even see prior decisions were still insufficient. What did NZ choose to do?; nah that will cost me money now, lets just shrirk our responsibilities and have future generations cover it long after we're gone... Those from that time can not cry it wasn't me; as a collective, the covid at risk generation knowingly made that decision by the selection of multiple governments over decades. The structural issues faced are not caused by the current labour, or national governments but stretch far back; the ones that will bare the brunt were probably at least 15 years from birth... To make sure truly understand who think govts just give out money. Greece barely got above 120% before their economy and government positioned spiralled out of control. Existing productive generations and our children will face severe austerity and tax measures in the future; good bye our own pension while paying the current ffs. Crown assets have already been sold off leaving minimal that will be enough for satisfy creditors. We/they will be taxed to hell, and not just for a few years, healthcare and education will probably be sold off as per USA style, along with remaining SOE and maybe even infrastructure. The worst part our credit rating will become junk; making it near impossible to attain reasonable productive debt to fund business ("cough" housing) and pay significant higher interest rates than our overseas competitors. All what we actually need to fix the mess.. Yeah, so cheers for that... So there are two clear questions: Can the country actually afford the debt imposed to protect the now retiring generation? We all know that answer... The second is the current COVID at risk generation actually worthy of taking the future of generations to come? Can the at COVID risk generation as a group honestly say they've left the nation in a better position than they inherited.. |
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Post by brendanlucas on Aug 28, 2021 23:38:38 GMT 12
With 20 percent of the population vacanciated your Alittle early to the party. And its not the 10s of billions of dollars you think it is. I checked my number against treasury forecasts and I'm correct, possibly under estimating. At at 20% full vaccination it is probably a bit late... I have also been one of those greatly affected by measures to "protect us" causing significant financial damage to livelihood, and children's future. Now having to rebuild business from near dead due to closed borders limiting ability to travel and bring in international income. I am also one of those who has probably had COVID overseas bringing money into the country while the government is at full spend mode (I had a bad cold for a week, most of our group had similar or more towards a flu; one of the older guys required minor medical treatment. Despite the media scare mongering and unfortunate few as per anything like cancer, car accidents; the reality one generation will mostly take the brunt) A part of the burden and forever guilt of true leadership is having to do action for the greater good; full well knowing some are going to pay a heavy price; there is also actual accountability and consequences. Note these last points. Other countries in the world have taken their pain, medicine and are now coming out hard. NZ's actual pain hasn't even begun, and there is nothing we can do to avoid it; COVID is not going to disappear and it will continue to morph so what have we actually gained, pseudo freedom for another 12 months? There is no point being emotional or taking it personnel, at the end of the day a government must balance its books or there will be severe consequences for the nation. Unfortunately and in cold hard terms those at greatest COVID risk are no longer a productive asset to the country but a liability. As mentioned, the great ones that we all owe a great debt to protect our freedoms have basically all passed; and we would all go to the end of the world to have protected them if required. The great ones even after dealing with the horrors on both cases, returned home cleared the land, built the farms, industries and had NZ in what 3rd-5th in OECD (or whatever it was then). The generation now at risk of COVID did what? took all those industries, world manufacturing and infrastructure that had been inherited by their parents and grandparents ran all that into the ground for a quick buck. Eventually crashing the economy leading to the self inflicted consequences of extreme tax, interest rates, austerity measures taking away benefits away from future generations they themselves received, oh and having to sell off many of the assets inherited from great ones. GREAT WORK!!! The reality before COVID, NZ was already in massive financial trouble with government liabilities expected to reach over 200% GDP due to a generation passing the buck previously, and still failing to act; therefore leaving a financial hole of over $200B for future generations. No, the now retiring generation have not earned that right as a group, there is a liability hole $200B $#@@ deep from mismanagement. Over the next 30 years the tax payers will have to fork out $600B for pension plus whatever nightmare the healthcare costs will be... As personally horrible other countries have had it; we would have removed $120B of that liability, and possibly towards the full $200B when including healthcare. (even today at $14B a year pension is the biggest govt spend, it will hit $40B!!!) In this case its not actually about sacrificing the at risk group, but because of that groups prior actions, we can not afford to protect them... Previous generations had covered their lifetimes, and other countries facing similar issues, even with assets of significant natural resources, took action decades ago. Many of these nations seeing what was coming formed ginormous retirement investment schemes to protect future generations from their burden. They have already taken further austerity measures as could even see prior decisions were still insufficient. What did NZ choose to do?; nah that will cost me money now, lets just shrirk our responsibilities and have future generations cover it long after we're gone... Those from that time can not cry it wasn't me; as a collective, the covid at risk generation knowingly made that decision by the selection of multiple governments over decades. The structural issues faced are not caused by the current labour, or national governments but stretch far back; the ones that will bare the brunt were probably at least 15 years from birth... To make sure truly understand who think govts just give out money. Greece barely got above 120% before their economy and government positioned spiralled out of control. Existing productive generations and our children will face severe austerity and tax measures in the future; good bye our own pension while paying the current ffs. Crown assets have already been sold off leaving minimal that will be enough for satisfy creditors. We/they will be taxed to hell, and not just for a few years, healthcare and education will probably be sold off as per USA style, along with remaining SOE and maybe even infrastructure. The worst part our credit rating will become junk; making it near impossible to attain reasonable productive debt to fund business ("cough" housing) and pay significant higher interest rates than our overseas competitors. All what we actually need to fix the mess.. Yeah, so cheers for that... So there are two clear questions: Can the country actually afford the debt imposed to protect the now retiring generation? We all know that answer... The second is the current COVID at risk generation actually worthy of taking the future of generations to come? Can the at COVID risk generation as a group honestly say they've left the nation in a better position than they inherited.. Some very good points in there. BL |
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Post by nakifans on Aug 29, 2021 0:49:17 GMT 12
Well written from the heart article above. Most governments only do things to get re elected, so hence no rainy day policy just do what's popular and likely to return us to power. It's a generational thing, Blue, Red, Green, Black, or whatever party colour mist you can think of. One thing, putting all over 65's as an unproductive liability a bit harsh. As an over 70, still working part time even during lock down by choice, 2 jabs and fill out medical statement every day and all other protocols adhered to. A lot of over 65's work while a lot of under 25's by choice choose not to and live in emergency housing provided by the government at $m per day plus collect all sorts of benefits . The horticulture industry, farming industry and the list goes on crying out for labor while this situation exists and most of these vacancies only require someone willing to work not a uni degree. Covid is the devil in the deep blue sea, Ministry of Health actually govern's the country at present, they call the tune and regulations. Hard decisions have to be made, healthy workforce, working workforce. Most people will jump for joy gates closed at Bombays but it also shuts off a lot of NZ economy. Bury political hatchets, unite and get the show on the road. Just a thought :How come Banks still return a healthy profit. P.S. Apologies to Midway and his fellow Northlanders for being ring fenced into the Level 4 extension with Auckland. The rest home at Algies Bay Warkworth is in the Auckland boundaries, my gut feeling is that the Govt has had a gutsful of Aucklanders from covid central fleeing the town with their toys in tow to enjoy freedom in another region but also increase the chance of spreading the virus, and by making Northland's level same as Auckland they achieved diddly squat apart from making Northlanders grumpy. Also there appears to be a snob value attached to covid, A cluster from Devonport now A cluster from Birkdale. A huge thumbs up to the freight industry for keeping us supplied with essentials and also moving essential items like stock and milk . All those that bemoan your existence in normal times now at your mercy.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 3:46:46 GMT 12
Ya know what really grinds my gears about covid?
I might have said this during the first Lockdown so bear with if you've heard it all before.
For nearly every single threat we face, we take reasonable precautions to avoid that threat. I can only think of 2 threats where we are forced to take increasingly unreasonable precautions. Those being climate change and covid.
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Post by graemeh on Aug 29, 2021 8:53:30 GMT 12
With 20 percent of the population vacanciated your Alittle early to the party. And its not the 10s of billions of dollars you think it is. I checked my number against treasury forecasts and I'm correct, possibly under estimating. At at 20% full vaccination it is probably a bit late... I have also been one of those greatly affected by measures to "protect us" causing significant financial damage to livelihood, and children's future. Now having to rebuild business from near dead due to closed borders limiting ability to travel and bring in international income. I am also one of those who has probably had COVID overseas bringing money into the country while the government is at full spend mode (I had a bad cold for a week, most of our group had similar or more towards a flu; one of the older guys required minor medical treatment. Despite the media scare mongering and unfortunate few as per anything like cancer, car accidents; the reality one generation will mostly take the brunt) A part of the burden and forever guilt of true leadership is having to do action for the greater good; full well knowing some are going to pay a heavy price; there is also actual accountability and consequences. Note these last points. Other countries in the world have taken their pain, medicine and are now coming out hard. NZ's actual pain hasn't even begun, and there is nothing we can do to avoid it; COVID is not going to disappear and it will continue to morph so what have we actually gained, pseudo freedom for another 12 months? There is no point being emotional or taking it personnel, at the end of the day a government must balance its books or there will be severe consequences for the nation. Unfortunately and in cold hard terms those at greatest COVID risk are no longer a productive asset to the country but a liability. As mentioned, the great ones that we all owe a great debt to protect our freedoms have basically all passed; and we would all go to the end of the world to have protected them if required. The great ones even after dealing with the horrors on both cases, returned home cleared the land, built the farms, industries and had NZ in what 3rd-5th in OECD (or whatever it was then). The generation now at risk of COVID did what? took all those industries, world manufacturing and infrastructure that had been inherited by their parents and grandparents ran all that into the ground for a quick buck. Eventually crashing the economy leading to the self inflicted consequences of extreme tax, interest rates, austerity measures taking away benefits away from future generations they themselves received, oh and having to sell off many of the assets inherited from great ones. GREAT WORK!!! The reality before COVID, NZ was already in massive financial trouble with government liabilities expected to reach over 200% GDP due to a generation passing the buck previously, and still failing to act; therefore leaving a financial hole of over $200B for future generations. No, the now retiring generation have not earned that right as a group, there is a liability hole $200B $#@@ deep from mismanagement. Over the next 30 years the tax payers will have to fork out $600B for pension plus whatever nightmare the healthcare costs will be... As personally horrible other countries have had it; we would have removed $120B of that liability, and possibly towards the full $200B when including healthcare. (even today at $14B a year pension is the biggest govt spend, it will hit $40B!!!) In this case its not actually about sacrificing the at risk group, but because of that groups prior actions, we can not afford to protect them... Previous generations had covered their lifetimes, and other countries facing similar issues, even with assets of significant natural resources, took action decades ago. Many of these nations seeing what was coming formed ginormous retirement investment schemes to protect future generations from their burden. They have already taken further austerity measures as could even see prior decisions were still insufficient. What did NZ choose to do?; nah that will cost me money now, lets just shrirk our responsibilities and have future generations cover it long after we're gone... Those from that time can not cry it wasn't me; as a collective, the covid at risk generation knowingly made that decision by the selection of multiple governments over decades. The structural issues faced are not caused by the current labour, or national governments but stretch far back; the ones that will bare the brunt were probably at least 15 years from birth... To make sure truly understand who think govts just give out money. Greece barely got above 120% before their economy and government positioned spiralled out of control. Existing productive generations and our children will face severe austerity and tax measures in the future; good bye our own pension while paying the current ffs. Crown assets have already been sold off leaving minimal that will be enough for satisfy creditors. We/they will be taxed to hell, and not just for a few years, healthcare and education will probably be sold off as per USA style, along with remaining SOE and maybe even infrastructure. The worst part our credit rating will become junk; making it near impossible to attain reasonable productive debt to fund business ("cough" housing) and pay significant higher interest rates than our overseas competitors. All what we actually need to fix the mess.. Yeah, so cheers for that... So there are two clear questions: Can the country actually afford the debt imposed to protect the now retiring generation? We all know that answer... The second is the current COVID at risk generation actually worthy of taking the future of generations to come? Can the at COVID risk generation as a group honestly say they've left the nation in a better position than they inherited.. Can't decide if this speech is from the Greta Thunberg playbook or the Act Party manifesto. What, in simple terms, I take out of it is, your solution to the current Covid financial fallout is to pay for it by reducing our superannuation cost by neglecting the health needs of the elderly by allowing them to die, from a disease being spread by the young. |
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Post by tank11 on Aug 29, 2021 9:17:24 GMT 12
With 20 percent of the population vacanciated your Alittle early to the party. And its not the 10s of billions of dollars you think it is. I checked my number against treasury forecasts and I'm correct, possibly under estimating. At at 20% full vaccination it is probably a bit late... I have also been one of those greatly affected by measures to "protect us" causing significant financial damage to livelihood, and children's future. Now having to rebuild business from near dead due to closed borders limiting ability to travel and bring in international income. I am also one of those who has probably had COVID overseas bringing money into the country while the government is at full spend mode (I had a bad cold for a week, most of our group had similar or more towards a flu; one of the older guys required minor medical treatment. Despite the media scare mongering and unfortunate few as per anything like cancer, car accidents; the reality one generation will mostly take the brunt) A part of the burden and forever guilt of true leadership is having to do action for the greater good; full well knowing some are going to pay a heavy price; there is also actual accountability and consequences. Note these last points. Other countries in the world have taken their pain, medicine and are now coming out hard. NZ's actual pain hasn't even begun, and there is nothing we can do to avoid it; COVID is not going to disappear and it will continue to morph so what have we actually gained, pseudo freedom for another 12 months? There is no point being emotional or taking it personnel, at the end of the day a government must balance its books or there will be severe consequences for the nation. Unfortunately and in cold hard terms those at greatest COVID risk are no longer a productive asset to the country but a liability. As mentioned, the great ones that we all owe a great debt to protect our freedoms have basically all passed; and we would all go to the end of the world to have protected them if required. The great ones even after dealing with the horrors on both cases, returned home cleared the land, built the farms, industries and had NZ in what 3rd-5th in OECD (or whatever it was then). The generation now at risk of COVID did what? took all those industries, world manufacturing and infrastructure that had been inherited by their parents and grandparents ran all that into the ground for a quick buck. Eventually crashing the economy leading to the self inflicted consequences of extreme tax, interest rates, austerity measures taking away benefits away from future generations they themselves received, oh and having to sell off many of the assets inherited from great ones. GREAT WORK!!! The reality before COVID, NZ was already in massive financial trouble with government liabilities expected to reach over 200% GDP due to a generation passing the buck previously, and still failing to act; therefore leaving a financial hole of over $200B for future generations. No, the now retiring generation have not earned that right as a group, there is a liability hole $200B $#@@ deep from mismanagement. Over the next 30 years the tax payers will have to fork out $600B for pension plus whatever nightmare the healthcare costs will be... As personally horrible other countries have had it; we would have removed $120B of that liability, and possibly towards the full $200B when including healthcare. (even today at $14B a year pension is the biggest govt spend, it will hit $40B!!!) In this case its not actually about sacrificing the at risk group, but because of that groups prior actions, we can not afford to protect them... Previous generations had covered their lifetimes, and other countries facing similar issues, even with assets of significant natural resources, took action decades ago. Many of these nations seeing what was coming formed ginormous retirement investment schemes to protect future generations from their burden. They have already taken further austerity measures as could even see prior decisions were still insufficient. What did NZ choose to do?; nah that will cost me money now, lets just shrirk our responsibilities and have future generations cover it long after we're gone... Those from that time can not cry it wasn't me; as a collective, the covid at risk generation knowingly made that decision by the selection of multiple governments over decades. The structural issues faced are not caused by the current labour, or national governments but stretch far back; the ones that will bare the brunt were probably at least 15 years from birth... To make sure truly understand who think govts just give out money. Greece barely got above 120% before their economy and government positioned spiralled out of control. Existing productive generations and our children will face severe austerity and tax measures in the future; good bye our own pension while paying the current ffs. Crown assets have already been sold off leaving minimal that will be enough for satisfy creditors. We/they will be taxed to hell, and not just for a few years, healthcare and education will probably be sold off as per USA style, along with remaining SOE and maybe even infrastructure. The worst part our credit rating will become junk; making it near impossible to attain reasonable productive debt to fund business ("cough" housing) and pay significant higher interest rates than our overseas competitors. All what we actually need to fix the mess.. Yeah, so cheers for that... So there are two clear questions: Can the country actually afford the debt imposed to protect the now retiring generation? We all know that answer... The second is the current COVID at risk generation actually worthy of taking the future of generations to come? Can the at COVID risk generation as a group honestly say they've left the nation in a better position than they inherited.. You do realise that many of the young catching covid can and are screwed for life with the results. They may survive the actual attack, but require lifetime medical attention. |
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Post by sadfish on Aug 29, 2021 9:25:58 GMT 12
well lets go the other way then, lets open the borders let who ever in covid or not,let them spend their money,contractors can dig big holes to house the dead , hospitals can be over run with people waiting to die,we can all sit at our desks working for the betterment of the country till we drop, double the ambo service that will create employment, have squads going around the streets picking up bodies, hell if you want all of this why not move to another country is is plenty to choose from,
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Post by tank11 on Aug 29, 2021 14:42:42 GMT 12
well lets go the other way then, lets open the borders let who ever in covid or not,let them spend their money,contractors can dig big holes to house the dead , hospitals can be over run with people waiting to die,we can all sit at our desks working for the betterment of the country till we drop, double the ambo service that will create employment, have squads going around the streets picking up bodies, hell if you want all of this why not move to another country is is plenty to choose from, Amazes me that some, whom I consider way more intelligent than myself, are so blinkered by their views. Of course they won't shift to another country, as this is THEIR place. But don't worry, they want it to turn to custard, just so we are like the other overrun places. Golly gee, one just over the ditch is turning into a basket case. With all the covid hitting the hospitals, a simple operation that gets delayed could kill you. |
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