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Post by magilla on Sept 11, 2021 9:16:49 GMT 12
with smiles on your face . I think Butcher shops should be able to trade under level 4 like the dairies ,why should the supermarkets have a monopoly . Essential services certainly needs a major overhaul the un fairness leaves alot to be desired by the government .. that is exactly right, Supermarkets charge too much for meat usually but have pushed up the prices even more under Lockdown. |
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Post by artg on Sept 11, 2021 12:05:59 GMT 12
Recently just came across this thread and thought I would offer my opinion based on some experience. Recently finished working in an MIQ for over 17 months. During that time learned alot about Infection Prevention Control in relation to keeping myself, my family and work colleagues safe.
In the early days, COVID-19 was based on an infection prevention control process, of droplets being excreted from direct contact from one individual to another. This was the reason social distancing was implemented along with mask wearing. This was to prevent, say it, don't spray it, with droplets travelling from one person to the other.
In those days, there were clear signs of a person being Symptomatic (they were sick and unwell) and the risk (the person) was identifiable and you were able to implement Infection Prevention Controls based on those signs.
The issue we have currently is that delta is airborne and that increases the transmission path. You don't have to have any direct contact with an effected person or carrier.
You could be in an environment 10 mins after an effected person, and unfortunately breath in droplets that are still present and airborne.
The other issue is, a large majority of people in this community outbreak have been asymptomatic and have no clear symptoms.
A majority were not sick or unwell, happened to be at a place of interest, got a test, and then tested positive.
Again Delta is more transmissible airborne than the previous version of COVID-19.
No employer or in this case event promoter would want to be in a position of being liable, if there workplace or event was to be at the centre of an outbreak.
The Health and Safety Act was used as the tool by the government to ensure my employer, had staff vaccinated and under go fortnightly COVID-19 tests to keep our jobs.
The Health and Safety Act will be used as a means to ensure COVID-19 compliance.
I was lucky as I have an excellent employer who went out of their way to make sure we had all the information for us to make our own personal decisions.
Lastly, each day while at work I wore a mask and during that 17 month period, that kept me safe.
My employer would always tell us that, the most important thing was, that he and we keep each other safe, as COVID-19 would effect our loved ones outside of work.
Trust me, Jetpark is not the place you or your family want to end up in. It's not pleasant at all.
Delta has changed the game, and that's why I decided to leave my job as you can no longer identify the risk.
COVID-19 precautions should be in place to limited transmission including pax limits.
This community outbreak has shown how far and diverse delta can spread, from universities, to a church group, schools, workplaces and homes. If you don't limited capacity, then all you are doing is creating a large transmission path with a majority of carriers being Asymptomatic (not having any symptoms) that can spread far and wide and this increases close contacts of positive cases, that lead to more positive cases...
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Post by Chopper on Sept 11, 2021 12:50:22 GMT 12
You need to put on your big boy pants and accept that the world will not be going back to “normal”, global pandemics change things- it’s too early to say whether our next normal will be better or worse but it will be different. You keep referring to other countries doing things differently, of course they are as very country has differing levels of infrastructure/healthcare service which results in different approachs and strategies for dealing with the pandemic. Part of the problem in NZ is that we haven’t really felt the full health effects of COVID - like it or not the model NZ has chosen to follow has resulted in one of the lowest deaths per capita in the western world. Our strategy has meant we haven’t had mass infections, we haven’t had mass deaths, we haven’t had our ICUs and hospitals overwhelmed and that situation has led to arm chair experts saying we have overreacted, COVID isn’t that bad, Jacinda is a communist blah blah blah. Reality is that this was the only viable strategy given the chronic under funding of healthcare by successive governments going back decades - go with elimination or deal with high volumes of deaths. The other aspect which is rarely ever mentioned by those captaining for their “freedoms” is the long term health impacts, ongoing respiratory issues seemingly going hand in hand with COVID infection in many cases. Sydney and Melbourne are really poor examples to hold up as something to follow, their inept leadership tried to persevere with half cocked lockdowns that went on for months (I worked in Melbourne up until borders closed in March last year and have plenty of work colleagues suffering through the past 18 months) then in and out of lockdowns which is far far worse than what we have experienced. Countries who are now removing restrictions while cases are increasing are essentially shrugging their shoulders and giving up and choosing to “live with COVID” - which is code for people are going to die. There are plenty more twists and turns to play out and I doubt that we will follow the lockdown strategy forever but it’s the logical approach with current vaccination numbers. Basically, take off your rose tinted glasses and really look into what’s going on in the countries that look like they are “normal” before having a tantrum and really consider whether you are happy with the real human cost those countries are now accepting, are you really happy to put others at risk so you can continue to enjoy your “freedoms”? We will never know the true human cost of our strategy. How many of the 37000 operations cancelled on the last 4 weeks will lead to early death, and will they be counted as covid victims? I honesty would rather let the effin virus get me than live in this Lockdown /half open /Lockdown /open/Lockdown environment where we can't plan anything, can't do so much and have the nation's healthcare compromised because of something that might happen. This isn't an anti govt rant but I'm compeatly over this thing that humanity is going to have to live with for generations to come. I'm bloody well ready to step off. This isn't living It looks like RamJam has deleted his account not long after this post. With words like "ready to step off. This isn't living." Is there someone out there in Macgor-land who knows Ramjam personally, maybe reach out and make sure he's OK. Last Thursday the 9th was R U O K day and (I may of course be reading between the lines and seeing something that's not there) but maybe a phone call might be needed? |
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Post by percy on Sept 11, 2021 14:55:07 GMT 12
I second choppers thoughts
If someone in our community does have Ramjams contact details could you give him a call. His contributions are always welcome to this forum.
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Post by midway on Sept 11, 2021 15:35:34 GMT 12
I have just spoken to him on the phone ,he is definitely okay ,and just wants time out ..
He appreciates the concern ....many thanks
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Post by percy on Sept 11, 2021 18:25:26 GMT 12
Thanks Midway
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Post by The Observer on Sept 11, 2021 21:29:45 GMT 12
I have just spoken to him on the phone ,he is definitely okay ,and just wants time out .. He appreciates the concern ....many thanks Thanks Midway, appreciate you updating us, bit if a worry and glad we Reach out to each other in these times. |
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Post by Go Slideways on Sept 11, 2021 23:20:15 GMT 12
Even if we disagree sometimes I still care about ya'll.
In the words of Ralph Hotere - "Hang In There Mate" - whoever you are, wherever you are.
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Post by midway on Sept 13, 2021 20:19:17 GMT 12
Well i must admit i do feel sorry for those who are still in the lock down under level 4
I also know the enormous amount of stress it has caused to families and small businesses some who havent received financial support to date from deputy lamb Chops and the PM advisers ..
Maybe it is now something we have to live with ,i see our daughter dancing at a concert in London no mask on ,she is a teacher at a boarding school ,the children are all back at school .
Also if we get to level one i do hope there is some compassion to wards those who compete on a shoe string budget and perhaps gate sales ,it is just one way to keep the family of speedway together ....
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Post by nakifans on Sept 14, 2021 3:42:25 GMT 12
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Post by nakifans on Sept 14, 2021 5:07:32 GMT 12
Hope the couple who fled to Wanaka to have a skiing holiday don't use their wealth and influence to convince the high court for long term name suppression after their 24 hr reprieve is up. They used the covid travel document to get thru the border in a calculated way, also went while negative swab not a requirement so their chance of spreading the virus to Waikato, people on the plane, Queenstown and Wanaka greatly increased. All the people who have been forced to make sacrifices financially and mentally will be disillusioned if these privileged people can blatantly and in such a calculated way break the law and hide behind it because they can buy their way out of it. If they don't name and shame these folk how will you detour others from doing the same. In the past a public flogging or stoning would take place against these law breakers. Perhaps we need to turn the clock back to go forward.     |
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Post by tonyr on Sept 14, 2021 7:41:13 GMT 12
It's not often I agree with Kerri McIvor but in this case I do. Give them a jail sentence. Show them there are dire consequences to their selfish actions. By far the vast majority of us in Auckland are over this lockdown, yet we endure for the good of the country. Teach this couple a sharp lesson!
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Post by accobra on Sept 14, 2021 8:02:38 GMT 12
Totally agree. They're names should be published. And the couple Shamed.
Name suppression is used far to much these days. And that needs to change. !!
While we do it tuff in level 4 and others like these 2 take the piss. Need to make an example of them.
Bring on level out of 4 !!. Has been the hardest i reckon.
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Post by pracer79 on Sept 14, 2021 9:55:37 GMT 12
Totally agree. They're names should be published. And the couple Shamed. Name suppression is used far to much these days. And that needs to change. !! While we do it tuff in level 4 and others like these 2 take the piss. Need to make and example of them. Bring on level out of 4 !!. Has been the hardest i reckon. If Facebook is to be believed its a stud owner whose mothers a judge and his lawyer girlfriend : yes this is all true, Radio N.Z found a loop hole last night and released their names and occupation's via Facebook, i think their 24hr name suppression ran out for a few minutes before the new suppression order was finalised, so they posted it then removed it a few minutes later |
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Post by pracer79 on Sept 14, 2021 10:07:44 GMT 12
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Post by midway on Sept 14, 2021 13:58:22 GMT 12
Totally agree. They're names should be published. And the couple Shamed. Name suppression is used far to much these days. And that needs to change. !! While we do it tuff in level 4 and others like these 2 take the piss. Need to make an example of them. Bring on level out of 4 !!. Has been the hardest i reckon. While the attention is focused on this latest episode of border jumping ,one does think more should be done in respect of those who visit Middlemore hospital ,Auckland hospital ,and at least try to educate them , who for a better word are totally ignorant and arrogant in helping to contain the spread of the virus .. While the hand outs continue from Lamb chops and his top ranked officer you do have to wonder how this contribution of genuine kiwi tax funded revenue is going to be spent ,only 26 million ... On a totally different subject an agent representing the Govt rang to ask if more produce could be obtained for the food shortage and crippling green vegetable trade mostly of course found in the large super markets , the small man in the business goes broke or is in extreme stress how to survive ..once in many cases this produce lay rotting on the ground ,due to employing stuff to no avail . There are certainly a lot more questions than answers that will ever be found ,due to these outbreaks .. So take care of your loved ones and yourselves there is always a path to happiness and goodwill .. |
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Post by Wildcat on Sept 14, 2021 16:16:50 GMT 12
Totally agree. They're names should be published. And the couple Shamed. Name suppression is used far to much these days. And that needs to change. !! While we do it tuff in level 4 and others like these 2 take the piss. Need to make an example of them. Bring on level out of 4 !!. Has been the hardest i reckon. While the attention is focused on this latest episode of border jumping ,one does think more should be done in respect of those who visit Middlemore hospital ,Auckland hospital ,and at least try to educate them , who for a better word are totally ignorant and arrogant in helping to contain the spread of the virus .. While the hand outs continue from Lamb chops and his top ranked officer you do have to wonder how this contribution of genuine kiwi tax funded revenue is going to be spent ,only 26 million ... On a totally different subject an agent representing the Govt rang to ask if more produce could be obtained for the food shortage and crippling green vegetable trade mostly of course found in the large super markets , the small man in the business goes broke or is in extreme stress how to survive ..once in many cases this produce lay rotting on the ground ,due to employing stuff to no avail . There are certainly a lot more questions than answers that will ever be found ,due to these outbreaks .. So take care of your loved ones and yourselves there is always a path to happiness and goodwill .. You must be Macgors right wing Covid expert Need take a few happy pills Enjoy life |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 16:23:40 GMT 12
Totally agree. They're names should be published. And the couple Shamed. Name suppression is used far to much these days. And that needs to change. !! While we do it tuff in level 4 and others like these 2 take the piss. Need to make and example of them. Bring on level out of 4 !!. Has been the hardest i reckon. If Facebook is to be believed its a stud owner whose mothers a judge and his lawyer girlfriend : If its the usual sludge which relentlessly flows from Moa Point Sewer Facebook - then it's undisputedly 'Proof Beyond Reasonable Doubt' for sure! |
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Post by tony27 on Sept 14, 2021 16:46:07 GMT 12
Hope the couple who fled to Wanaka to have a skiing holiday don't use their wealth and influence to convince the high court for long term name suppression after their 24 hr reprieve is up. They used the covid travel document to get thru the border in a calculated way, also went while negative swab not a requirement so their chance of spreading the virus to Waikato, people on the plane, Queenstown and Wanaka greatly increased. All the people who have been forced to make sacrifices financially and mentally will be disillusioned if these privileged people can blatantly and in such a calculated way break the law and hide behind it because they can buy their way out of it. If they don't name and shame these folk how will you detour others from doing the same. In the past a public flogging or stoning would take place against these law breakers. Perhaps we need to turn the clock back to go forward. I'm sure by now you will have seen that extended name suppression has been granted as expected . If the occupations are as listed in other replies I don't understand how they are able to claim to be essential workers that needed to cross through the checkpoint in the same vehicle |
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Post by tank11 on Sept 14, 2021 20:19:23 GMT 12
Hope the couple who fled to Wanaka to have a skiing holiday don't use their wealth and influence to convince the high court for long term name suppression after their 24 hr reprieve is up. They used the covid travel document to get thru the border in a calculated way, also went while negative swab not a requirement so their chance of spreading the virus to Waikato, people on the plane, Queenstown and Wanaka greatly increased. All the people who have been forced to make sacrifices financially and mentally will be disillusioned if these privileged people can blatantly and in such a calculated way break the law and hide behind it because they can buy their way out of it. If they don't name and shame these folk how will you detour others from doing the same. In the past a public flogging or stoning would take place against these law breakers. Perhaps we need to turn the clock back to go forward. I'm sure by now you will have seen that extended name suppression has been granted as expected . If the occupations are as listed in other replies I don't understand how they are able to claim to be essential workers that needed to cross through the checkpoint in the same vehicle EXTENDED, I don't think so. Has been on the news and the Project, also plastered on the internet www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/revealed-w%c4%81naka-couple-exposed-as-lawyer-top-horse-breeder-after-name-suppression-lapses/vi-AAOpLvh?ocid=UP97DHP |
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