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Post by wildcatsfan on Oct 7, 2021 8:18:29 GMT 12
I agree Nazi Germany did foster hatred, but so too is the jab no jab debate and can even be seen in some of the posts here. The growing attitude seems to be a hatred towards those who have made the decision not to be vaxed and undoubtedly will lead to persecution of them.
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Post by Macclad on Oct 7, 2021 8:39:07 GMT 12
Jacindas was one of love and peace. ...really?? Mate...she is a politician...she is doing what is best for HER, the same as every other politician in the history of the world. Just because she comes on TV appearing all sweetness and light, don't be fooled by the pretty smile, she is just another self-serving snake. I wouldn't trust her or any other politician, as far as I could kick them!! |
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Post by BarryB on Oct 7, 2021 8:50:31 GMT 12
Some of you are getting a little off track. Can we please try to keep it largely to New Zealand and keep personalities out of it.
Barry B
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Post by sadfish on Oct 7, 2021 10:25:14 GMT 12
can someone please tell all the readers here why, if you are an anti vax supporter you wont get it and dont say because i dont want to, i understand if for medical reasons it might be harmful to your health, but the people who think for their own reasons they wont get it, please explain so we can understand, a simple few sentences will do not 2 pages of ramble on the political situation of the world and how they oppress the down trodden masses
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Post by percy on Oct 7, 2021 10:50:07 GMT 12
can someone please tell all the readers here why, if you are an anti vax supporter you wont get it and dont say because i dont want to, i understand if for medical reasons it might be harmful to your health, but the people who think for their own reasons they wont get it, please explain so we can understand, a simple few sentences will do not 2 pages of ramble on the political situation of the world and how they oppress the down trodden masses Please don't. A debate about the vaccine/not taking the vaccine is not going to achieve anything that adds to the discussion. This thread should be about how the current lockdown restrictions and future proposals will affect speedway. |
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Post by BarryB on Oct 7, 2021 11:40:17 GMT 12
can someone please tell all the readers here why, if you are an anti vax supporter you wont get it and dont say because i dont want to, i understand if for medical reasons it might be harmful to your health, but the people who think for their own reasons they wont get it, please explain so we can understand, a simple few sentences will do not 2 pages of ramble on the political situation of the world and how they oppress the down trodden masses Please don't. A debate about the vaccine/not taking the vaccine is not going to achieve anything that adds to the discussion. This thread should be about how the current lockdown restrictions and future proposals will affect speedway. Agreed Percy. I'm on a couple of non-speedway websites and it's nothing but an absolute @#$% fight daily. It creates a real 'us and them' situation with very little middle ground, and it has been getting worse by the week since lockdown started. We don't need that here, What we can be pretty sure of is that it's highly unlikely speedway will be able to operate quite like what we have been accustomed to for possibly some seasons to come. It would certainly appear that to successfully open, speedway will have to operate under the same set of rules as concerts and other major sporting events - which is fully vaccinated folk only - but even this relies on high enough vaccination rates so that the Government feels safe to lower alert levels and restrictions to a point where tracks can open up and run with viable crowd numbers. Barry B |
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Post by bustersno1fan on Oct 7, 2021 12:32:41 GMT 12
I do not feel hatred for those who haven't been vaccinated, but with decisions come consequences. The us and them line of thinking and overly dramatic language is dumb and not helpful.
Ultimately any society requires societal norms and rules to function effectively. We have adopted a democratic model whereby we elect representatives to make decisions on our behalf for the greater good, thus here we are. The alternative, an individual rights and freedoms model where there is no democracy, and there is a free for all is the anarchy model. Not sure we want to go there?!
Anyway, I am really hoping we get some speedway in this year. Hopefully we can set the systems and procedures up so we can all get along and watch. No point in fighting this one and 'throwing grenades' adopting some kind of dramatic good vs evil type rhetoric model. Covid isn't going anywhere, we are going to have to suck it up and make the best of the situation.
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Post by midway on Oct 7, 2021 14:10:15 GMT 12
There are still a lot of innocent people of all ages in the Tokerau district ,that are not and more than likely will stay un vaccinated . But then we are in Level 2 ,and to cross the border at Tehana ,with your gang patch on  as a essential worker of the Napuhi you have a test taken with the results posted via a text message to your phone ,most cases it takes two days or you are allowed 7working days before the next test .It really is annoying to us essential workers as this takes time ques can be quite long ,so we have adopted the spit the oyster option ,but the drop off point for us is the gas station on the other side of the border at Tehana Kiaora It was interesting though PERCY at the Nortland v/s Waikato, Rugby match people were herded in to groups of a 100 most huddled under a blanket one metre a part  ,yes but the interesting point i wish to make i didnt see Barry with his lollipop stick ensuring they keep there distance apart after the final whistle blew ,rather they left like a herd of cows waiting to be milked .. So will this also happen at our sport of speedway PERCY will there be restrictions at the gates on departure  Its time i went and sorted the cases of brocoli out i would hate to think you lost your stamina and could not write a interesting post ... |
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Post by busterbell on Oct 7, 2021 14:50:17 GMT 12
Is it up to each individual club to choose whether they enforce no jab no go policy?
Should it be something mandated by snz?
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Post by percy on Oct 7, 2021 15:21:08 GMT 12
Is it up to each individual club to choose whether they enforce no jab no go policy? Should it be something mandated by snz? The government is going to set the rules and everyone has to abide by those rules when holding events regardless of being a music festival, game of rugby or speedway meeting. Though each will have their own unique issues to overcome to abide with regulations. |
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Post by BarryB on Oct 7, 2021 15:28:18 GMT 12
Is it up to each individual club to choose whether they enforce no jab no go policy? Should it be something mandated by snz? If we want the big crowds later in the summer, if and when the Government allows it, it will be a Government mandate (not SNZ). They have already announced that. Concerts, festivals, large scale sporting events. They are yet to confirm a few things though, like what numbers-wise constitutes a 'large scale gathering', and whether they are going to work to fully-vaccinated or 'fully immunised', a difference of 14 days after the second jab. If that can't or does not happen, I imagine most of the large scale speedway events will become unviable to promote for financial reasons. Barry B |
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Post by busterbell on Oct 7, 2021 15:40:10 GMT 12
If we want the big crowds later in the summer, if and when the Government allows it, it will be a Government mandate (not SNZ). From what I heard from the government they where going to construct the legal structure allowing for no jab no job/enter legislation and leave it to each organisation whether they apply it or not. Pretty clever really as it places the blame on someone else and not the government. The whole thing is a complete train wreck despite having nearly two years to "think" about it. |
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Post by BarryB on Oct 7, 2021 15:55:00 GMT 12
If we want the big crowds later in the summer, if and when the Government allows it, it will be a Government mandate (not SNZ). From what I heard from the government they where going to construct the legal structure allowing for no jab no job/enter legislation and leave it to each organisation whether they apply it or not. Pretty clever really as it places the blame on someone else and not the government. The whole thing is a complete train wreck despite having nearly two years to "think" about it. I'm not sure on the job thing, but the Government is definitely setting the rules on the event and sporting scene. And it will need to be policed. Horse racing were given a set of rules to abide by to allow them to get up and running again - did you see what I did there? - and they've been caught with having people on-course already that weren't supposed to be there. The outcome of that inquiry will be interesting, but their case involves somebody lying to cross the Auckland boundary too. Barry B |
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Post by busterbell on Oct 7, 2021 16:05:02 GMT 12
The opening up of the rest of N.Z will only encourage more transgressions across the border. Not sure how covid spread and the opening up is going to get along. guess we won't know until it is done.
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Post by artg on Oct 7, 2021 17:27:06 GMT 12
The opening up of the rest of N.Z will only encourage more transgressions across the border. Not sure how covid spread and the opening up is going to get along. guess we won't know until it is done. Delta is now in the community and won't dissappear and will continue to increase in size and scale. Event/sports promotors and in fact all businesses and industry will have to adjust and adapt. The government will simply place responsiblity on the event promotor via current health and safety legislation. All event promotors and business should already be thinking what that means for them and their exposure to liability. In relation to vax/non vax. As a business owner, there is no choice in the matter. You should ensure all staff, customers, visitors and event attendees are protected via vaccination. The liability and financial exposure is to great under existing heath and safety legislation. A business owner will be in a position to lose everything including personal prosecution via the courts. Current health and safety legislation, quotes the term, "by all practical means" in relation to work place health and safety policies. With COVID-19, by all practical means, means being vaccinated,period. If you have 10 -100 people in an environment to 20,000 at an event, and people get exposed to delta, and those people were unvaccinated and get sick (hospitalized) and they end up exposing others to delta,who would be responsible and liable. . Currently events have terms and conditions of entry, to enter you must adhere to those conditions. That there is how an event promotor can cover themselves from liability. A condition of entry is ticket holders must be... and proof of..... is required upon entry. No Bill of Rights issues and notice would have been given in advance of purchase. Thats were personal decision making to attend or not to attend is offered. |
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Post by busterbell on Oct 7, 2021 18:01:45 GMT 12
Surely they will amend the condition of entry to include absolvence from Covid injury from the promotor/club?
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Post by craige on Oct 7, 2021 19:51:05 GMT 12
If we want the big crowds later in the summer, if and when the Government allows it, it will be a Government mandate (not SNZ). From what I heard from the government they where going to construct the legal structure allowing for no jab no job/enter legislation and leave it to each organisation whether they apply it or not. Pretty clever really as it places the blame on someone else and not the government. The whole thing is a complete train wreck despite having nearly two years to "think" about it. I'm not sure on the job thing, but the Government is definitely setting the rules on the event and sporting scene. And it will need to be policed. Horse racing were given a set of rules to abide by to allow them to get up and running again - did you see what I did there? - and they've been caught with having people on-course already that weren't supposed to be there. The outcome of that inquiry will be interesting, but their case involves somebody lying to cross the Auckland boundary too. Barry B no restrictions now boss on limit of spectators according to latest snz update |
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Post by magilla on Oct 7, 2021 19:59:37 GMT 12
never got a letter, I had a txt message. Never received a letter just a text You may want to talk to your quack, he's more likely to Know your NHI number than us  I don't speak Hindi |
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Post by BarryB on Oct 7, 2021 20:47:22 GMT 12
I'm not sure on the job thing, but the Government is definitely setting the rules on the event and sporting scene. And it will need to be policed. Horse racing were given a set of rules to abide by to allow them to get up and running again - did you see what I did there? - and they've been caught with having people on-course already that weren't supposed to be there. The outcome of that inquiry will be interesting, but their case involves somebody lying to cross the Auckland boundary too. Barry B no restrictions now boss on limit of spectators according to latest snz update No restriction on actual numbers, as a number, but with every spectator having to be 1 metre away from any other spectator in front, behind, and either side, there are restrictions of a different sort. I don't know what HB is going to do with their rugby match on Saturday, but calculating out their 19,000 seater stadium - with every second row of seats empty, and two seats between each spectator - they could only generate around 16% of total capacity. And how many people want to sit 1 metre away from people they may have travelled with? It will be interesting to see what clubs like HB Rugby, decide to do with the latest change. Barry B |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Oct 7, 2021 21:01:11 GMT 12
Gisborne running with Crowd on Saturday.
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as a essential worker of the Napuhi you have a test taken with the results posted via a text message to your phone ,most cases it takes two days or you are allowed 7working days before the next test .It really is annoying to us essential workers as this takes time ques can be quite long ,so we have adopted the spit the oyster option ,but the drop off point for us is the gas station on the other side of the border at Tehana 
,yes but the interesting point i wish to make i didnt see Barry with his lollipop stick ensuring they keep there distance apart after the final whistle blew ,rather they left like a herd of cows waiting to be milked ..
