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[broardside]

Maybe 58p could have just t boned the stationary car and say he couldn't stop rather than taking the safer option just to stop the moaning.

[broardside]

Unfortunately the teams Champs is going like a lot of other sports and that is the rules are slowly killing it, so eventually people will say to hell with it well that's my two cents anyway. 

[hbhornets]

What happened. Who win.

[spuddy]

What did Ngatai have to say ? Seen a few comments congratulating him

[The Observer]

I think a great nights racing

Regarding rules they set the precedent early with disqualifying a car at the 3 min bell - and in previous years they have used other rules to try and we the standard early. Always tough for the first teams up with the emotions running high but important for everyone to know the rules are rules in this high impact sport.

A real shame it had to be one of the high impact drivers for a team who were highly regarded. Let alone have the official with the flag in the wrong place as well. Overall a shocker to start the night.

1) The Stratford car being left on its side to dis engage. Officials being over officious, but of course when we let them use their judgement they will be shot for it. Thankfully no one smoked the rolled vehicle

2) Auckland Wanganui incident probably not bought up as the Managers were less passionate and they had allready won the race

3) 717a I regarded as the aggressor - he shot out to put the hit on 9r which he was allowed to do as lights still green and he hadn’t passed the red light. This is often why you see cars that win races and know they have done so immediately pull infield. Appreciate you understand this Percy and beleive 9r attacked after the flag. Nice bit of trolling but not the way I saw it


Wow - despite the glitches in the streaming one of the best first nights in a long time. Genuinely competitive teams accross the entire night.

Fantastic nights racing. I don’t think the distance between video hub and the pits is that great, as the pits have missed heaps of action in streams I have watched also. Following racing is not easy, but if one car is pushing or attacking another, shifting to the leader racing by them selves is always a head smacking yell at the TV error

Apr 23, 2022 23:47:00 GMT 12 percy said:

The other one that was interesting was in the Stratford vs Christchurch race

The Stratford car was rolled on it's side but not touching the wall so no 30-second period for the Christchurch car to disentangle (or so we were told). Both cars left on track for the restart with a subsequent red when 971c disentangled.

I'm not convinced the officials got this right

R12-4-57
When a vehicle is the primary cause of an emergency stoppage, it is not eligible to restart. Exception: Rollovers, see R12-3-47 below.
(a) If one or more cars are up the wall or with rollcages exposed, the race will be stopped to remove the primary cause of the emergency stoppage from the race.
(b) The Referee, once the danger has cleared, will give the un-endangered car or cars (not the primary cause of the stoppage) a 30 second opportunity to free themselves from the other car. The referee can only allow one 30 second opportunity.
(c) If they are unable to free their car they will be removed from the race

So the 30 second disentanglement process can be enacted in two instances per part a). Either when one or more cars are up the wall OR when a roll cage is exposed. In this instance the car was not up the wall but its roll cage was exposed and thus my reading of the rule is 971c should have been given the 30 second period to disentangle.

I felt the interpretation of the rule was non-sensical.

[The Observer]

Apr 24, 2022 7:58:44 GMT 12 spuddy said:

What did Ngatai have to say ? Seen a few comments congratulating him

I would say Ngatai should just about when the Spike award for never giving up fighting for his team

Had to protest the results all night to get the home town referees to acknowledge what everyone else and multiple camera angles saw.

This recognition of the rules and relegation has the Glen Eagles through to the finals.

Not convinced other managers would have had the experience and determination to fight for the rights of his team.

Also a PR master stroke bringing it up in the infield interveiw to put greater pressure on. That can go two ways but it certainly enlightens the audience

[hotdogman]

[flatty888]

Apr 23, 2022 21:54:35 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Apr 23, 2022 21:51:49 GMT 12 flatty888 said:

Once again this is going to be a teams champs remembered for the Panthers/Mires getting looked after by the refs unfortunately.

By you perhaps. Not sure everybody else agrees with you.

Barry B

well it seems the officials have agreed. Ouch that must hurt.

[flatty888]

Gone a bit quiet there tank11

[thekid434]

Very interesting reading all the comments on everything. But, I want to bring up something that hasn’t been discussed yet.
And, that was in the Hawkeyes vs Busters race.
About mid distance on the live stream it showed 85m turning left, and forcing 46b across the pole line. 46b carried on on the grass, and rejoined the track after 85m (who had stopped) having not done a 360 turn.
My opinion at the time was this was a pass on the grass as he was forced onto the grass by the block car. 46b eventually won the race, with 38m 2nd.
Should they relegated 46b for the pass, or is there a rule saying otherwise??
I bring it up because this may have robbed the Busters of a Tier 2 spot.

[tank11]

Apr 23, 2022 22:29:26 GMT 12 spuddy said:

Haven’t seen the incident, but from the hundreds of comments I’ve read about it, it seems the correct call has been made. tank is the only person I’ve seen say Palmy weren’t in the wrong

As there was NO ADVANTAGE to the cars going under the rear facing Chchchc car.
He couldn't attack, as he would be deemed facing the on coming cars, ie NOT traveling in the race direction.

He wasn't facing the race direction, so what advantage did panthers gain by clipping the grass going under him?

Maybe milliseconds.

[flatty888]

Apr 24, 2022 0:35:56 GMT 12 broardside said:

Maybe 58p could have just t boned the stationary car and say he couldn't stop rather than taking the safer option just to stop the moaning.

could of done a u turn on the infield and re joined the track.

[tank11]

Apr 24, 2022 0:07:03 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Apr 23, 2022 22:29:26 GMT 12 spuddy said:

Haven’t seen the incident, but from the hundreds of comments I’ve read about it, it seems the correct call has been made. tank is the only person I’ve seen say Palmy weren’t in the wrong

Keep in mind that Tank was also the only person to think that the new 'red flag rule' during the 3 minute bell at the pit gate wasn't a new rule too. Surely a rule used under another scenario is a 'new rule' the moment it is used under a completely different set of circumstances.

Barry B

Absolutely nothing new about the RED flag rule Barry.

What does red mean on a race track?

What does it mean at a traffic light?

[tank11]

Apr 24, 2022 8:45:13 GMT 12 flatty888 said:

Gone a bit quiet there tank11

Sorry, don't live on the board.

Doesn't change my view.
I think they did right.

Do you want a medal, or a chest to pin it too?

[herby21]

Tank u need to get over it right cool was made u the c

[tank11]

Apr 24, 2022 9:10:18 GMT 12 herby21 said:

Tank u need to get over it right cool was made u the c

I accept the final call, but see what transpired in the race as justified.

You will see cars hit that are sitting in the same position as the Eagles car was, from now on.

It most likely wouldn't have affected the final placings/points, if the first (or/and second) P car had hit him.

[sadfish]

Interesting how Mr Ngatai who has been around for years,can sway the out come of a race by making the powers that are running the meeting do the right thing and enforce the rules fairly to every team,so why did it take him hounding them to do the right thing, may be its time speedway NZ put some new red hats in to oversee the event

[spuddy]

Apr 24, 2022 8:39:05 GMT 12 The Observer said:

Apr 24, 2022 7:58:44 GMT 12 spuddy said:

What did Ngatai have to say ? Seen a few comments congratulating him

I would say Ngatai should just about when the Spike award for never giving up fighting for his team

Had to protest the results all night to get the home town referees to acknowledge what everyone else and multiple camera angles saw.

This recognition of the rules and relegation has the Glen Eagles through to the finals.

Not convinced other managers would have had the experience and determination to fight for the rights of his team.

Also a PR master stroke bringing it up in the infield interveiw to put greater pressure on. That can go two ways but it certainly enlightens the audience

He cops a lot of crap from the tall poppy brigade down here, but his passion for speedway and what he does for others has been the driving force behind the class starting to thrive again

[Macgor]

Apr 24, 2022 8:49:59 GMT 12 tank11 said:

Apr 23, 2022 22:29:26 GMT 12 spuddy said:

Haven’t seen the incident, but from the hundreds of comments I’ve read about it, it seems the correct call has been made. tank is the only person I’ve seen say Palmy weren’t in the wrong

As there was NO ADVANTAGE to the cars going under the rear facing Chchchc car.
He couldn't attack, as he would be deemed facing the on coming cars, ie NOT traveling in the race direction.

He wasn't facing the race direction, so what advantage did panthers gain by clipping the grass going under him?

Maybe milliseconds.

You dont have to be facing the race direction to be in an attacking position, reverse gear and rear bumper can be used.

[craige]

Apr 24, 2022 8:39:05 GMT 12 The Observer said:

Apr 24, 2022 7:58:44 GMT 12 spuddy said:

What did Ngatai have to say ? Seen a few comments congratulating him

I would say Ngatai should just about when the Spike award for never giving up fighting for his team

Had to protest the results all night to get the home town referees to acknowledge what everyone else and multiple camera angles saw.

This recognition of the rules and relegation has the Glen Eagles through to the finals.

Not convinced other managers would have had the experience and determination to fight for the rights of his team.

Also a PR master stroke bringing it up in the infield interveiw to put greater pressure on. That can go two ways but it certainly enlightens the audience

wasn't home town refs mate.refs from other districts were controlling the show