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[sadfish]

same refs every year tho and every year same problems

[NZ Sauber]

I have other commitments over Waitangi weekend so I haven't been able to attend the NZ Superstock Teams since I was a teenager. It was such a pleasure to attend what is clearly one of the jewels in the crown of NZ Speedway.

Some random thoughts:
1) The racing in Group C was incredible (C, P, S). All three teams were so completely on top of their game and throwing everything at it, any of them would have been worthy semi finalists, I'm a little gutted that S are now in the consolations as it doesn't reflect their efforts. To be honest I'm not surprised there ended up being some controversy as they were all so closely matched that small decisions were always going to decide the outcome of the races.

2) The Arena Manawatu facility is a dream come true. The crowd was ridiculously large, but the venue copes with it so well that it is still a very pleasant experience. Never discount the value of having plenty of toilets, food facilities with short lines, easy parking, along with wide walking paths that allow you to move around, to the value of the experience for casual fans. But more than that the venue looks super sharp, the council clearly put a lot of thought and time into it. Only downsides are the total inability to hear the commentary, and the fact there is a little too much alcohol flowing throughout the night.

3) The sound the Superstocks make is awesome but also a little ridiculous. My Apple Watch was having seismic fits all night at the long duration 90/95 decibel plus "environment" I was in. As much as I'll be laughed at I must admit I ended up heeding the warning and using the noise cancelling function on my Air Pods for the actual races. I've already lost ~1/3 of my hearing so I'm keen to hold onto the rest

4) Going green with the Stratford car in such an exposed position made me feel quite quesy. Whatever the reason, whether it be a mistake or a rule that needs re-writting, lets' make sure that never happens again.

[Roxcyford]

Apr 23, 2022 20:04:07 GMT 12 youngone said:

Bugger Carl Shearer caught up on fence (not rolled) turn 2 first lap, red lights and fence post now needs to be fixed

Yes and the car he hit 52p spun round to face the wrong way, straightened up under reds, no relegation,WTF. .

[tank11]

Apr 24, 2022 9:27:33 GMT 12 Macgor said:

Apr 24, 2022 8:49:59 GMT 12 tank11 said:

As there was NO ADVANTAGE to the cars going under the rear facing Chchchc car.
He couldn't attack, as he would be deemed facing the on coming cars, ie NOT traveling in the race direction.

He wasn't facing the race direction, so what advantage did panthers gain by clipping the grass going under him?

Maybe milliseconds.

You dont have to be facing the race direction to be in an attacking position, reverse gear and rear bumper can be used.

But they can't hit him, with the Chch car facing them.
He was just off the pole line and stationary.
First car past only put 2 wheels over, the following car (right behind the 1st) went over with 4 wheels.
But at the end of the day, these infractions had NO bearing on the outcome.

[percy]

A few other talking points from the night

The Palmy promotion should be congratulated for the way they ran the show. Last week they were awful with two 5-hour marathons. Last night they turned it around with an efficient show which for the most part flowed and had no wasted time. The rugged up fans looked to appreciate the efficiency.

127g Ethan Rees looked a class above the opposition. One of those drivers who rarely looks to be in trouble.

Wellington a disappointment. Appreciate the disruption to their first race was not ideal but late personnel changes are a part of teams racing and you have to deal with that. On the flipside Kihikihi minus Asher Rees performed better than could have been hoped. I don't think they go further tonight but you never know. There is no pressure on them.

Rotorua showed something. Given their form since last years triumph I wasn't picking them to win the group. McRobbie is still a wall and the team displays strong fundamentals of teams racing.

A repeat of last years final would not surprise.

[hercules]

Apr 24, 2022 10:42:54 GMT 12 tank11 said:

Apr 24, 2022 9:27:33 GMT 12 Macgor said:

You dont have to be facing the race direction to be in an attacking position, reverse gear and rear bumper can be used.

But they can't hit him, with the Chch car facing them.
He was just off the pole line and stationary.
First car past only put 2 wheels over, the following car (right behind the 1st) went over with 4 wheels.
But at the end of the day, these infractions had NO bearing on the outcome.

Blake’s speedway has better footage of it on Facebook, and also 971c never became stationary until 52 and 58 had overtaken. And 971c was at least half a carwidth off poleline so he was in attacking position and they could have hit him. To me even if a car is going in reverse and moving and on the track, it’s fair game.

Anyways palmy still won race, they just come unstuck against Stratford with only 1 palmy car finishing.

[Macgor]

Apr 24, 2022 10:42:54 GMT 12 tank11 said:

Apr 24, 2022 9:27:33 GMT 12 Macgor said:

You dont have to be facing the race direction to be in an attacking position, reverse gear and rear bumper can be used.

But they can't hit him, with the Chch car facing them.

Yes they can

[tank11]

Apr 24, 2022 11:01:11 GMT 12 hercules said:

Apr 24, 2022 10:42:54 GMT 12 tank11 said:

But they can't hit him, with the Chch car facing them.
He was just off the pole line and stationary.
First car past only put 2 wheels over, the following car (right behind the 1st) went over with 4 wheels.
But at the end of the day, these infractions had NO bearing on the outcome.

Blake’s speedway has better footage of it on Facebook, and also 971c never became stationary until 52 and 58 had overtaken. And 971c was at least half a carwidth off poleline so he was in attacking position and they could have hit him. To me even if a car is going in reverse and moving and on the track, it’s fair game.

Anyways palmy still won race, they just come unstuck against Stratford with only 1 palmy car finishing.

Palmy cars undertook, ie went under.
Yes, Chch car was off the pole line, but they (P) were on the pole line.
971 was not traveling with the race flow, whether stationary or moving, either way was facing backwards.

It was a millisecond decision and I still think P cars did right.

[dw]

The grand parade was one of the worst in the many years of been too hardly any atmosphere until the racing started. In terms of racing (I amwildcat supporter) the Wellington team were just plain flat- just an off day at the office one would say but give credit to the opposition for tying up 46w. Palmy, Christchurch and Stratford were outstanding, I feel for palmy against Christchurch as they raced brilliantly in that race. Lloyd Jennings was outstanding against Stratford so interesting to see if he gets a shot in the semis. I am a little surprised that nothing was mentioned about 88p passing the Stratford blocker on the grass in front of the grandstand. Liked Auckland chances this year but they did not seem to drop a second car into block mode until late in the race which probably cost them a win against a classy Rotorua side who just do all the basics right.

[Wildcat]

Apr 24, 2022 10:40:11 GMT 12 Roxcyford said:

Apr 23, 2022 20:04:07 GMT 12 youngone said:

Bugger Carl Shearer caught up on fence (not rolled) turn 2 first lap, red lights and fence post now needs to be fixed

Yes and the car he hit 52p spun round to face the wrong way, straightened up under reds, no relegation,WTF. .

The reds came on 58p continued on from half way along back straight to start turn 3 And wasnt put back WTF

[spuddy]

Just watched the footage, wow it is that blatantly obvious it’s amazing it took 3 hours to sort ! All 58p had to do was hit his anchors and wait a second or 2 as he wasn’t travelling at any great pace at all

I was under the impression Ward was stationary and the Panthers boys were at full tit reading tanks posts

[BarryB]

Apr 23, 2022 22:56:02 GMT 12 Tony said:

Apr 23, 2022 22:26:12 GMT 12 tony27 said:

How can finalised results be changed?

I'm not aware that the result had been finalised. A result certainly hadn't been given to the commentators before the last race.

Stu did mention early on that he had a sheet of paper showing 58p relegated from second to fourth, but that (from memory) the points allocated to each driver remained the same as the original result (another MyLaps hiccup I think, from my two-nights only working with MyLaps) so he put it to one side as a query and it was never followed up to its conclusion. The SNZ referees instigated things, and used footage from some of the the 9 fixed cameras around the track. Originally they considered relegating 52p two spots as well, but he was always in contact with the 971c and was being pushed infield by the contact while trying to get back onto the track. All split-second stuff. Spectators, at the track or on the live stream, didn't hear that ChCh were through to the semis instead of the Panthers until after the meeting, but that was more down to a breakdown in communication with the commentary box than when the actual decision was made I believe.

Barry B

[BarryB]

Apr 24, 2022 8:46:30 GMT 12 thekid434 said:

Very interesting reading all the comments on everything. But, I want to bring up something that hasn’t been discussed yet.
And, that was in the Hawkeyes vs Busters race.
About mid distance on the live stream it showed 85m turning left, and forcing 46b across the pole line. 46b carried on on the grass, and rejoined the track after 85m (who had stopped) having not done a 360 turn.
My opinion at the time was this was a pass on the grass as he was forced onto the grass by the block car. 46b eventually won the race, with 38m 2nd.
Should they relegated 46b for the pass, or is there a rule saying otherwise??
I bring it up because this may have robbed the Busters of a Tier 2 spot.

The reason that 46B was able to re-enter the track as he did is that the Baypark car had gone onto the infield while taking 46B there, meaning he did not have to do a 360 and rejoin behind 85M. Had 85M stayed on the track during the attack, 46B would have to have reacted differently.

Barry B

[BarryB]

Apr 24, 2022 8:56:36 GMT 12 tank11 said:

Apr 24, 2022 0:07:03 GMT 12 BarryB said:

Keep in mind that Tank was also the only person to think that the new 'red flag rule' during the 3 minute bell at the pit gate wasn't a new rule too. Surely a rule used under another scenario is a 'new rule' the moment it is used under a completely different set of circumstances.

Barry B

Absolutely nothing new about the RED flag rule Barry.

What does red mean on a race track?

What does it mean at a traffic light?

It turns out the red flag really had nothing to do with it at all. It is a direction given by the Clerk of the Course (COTC). Palmy added a guy holding a red flag, supposedly as an extra safety net. The COTC was not the person holding the red flag. Young 5W was a little hard done by as the man with the red flag was not standing in front of him, which is why the SNZ refs had to check with the COTC first to ensure he had not given 5W permission to leave the area. 5W would have been eligible to leave with the red flag still displayed had the COTC given him permission to leave, which the refs thought might have happened as he was parked in front and out wide of the other cars, but the COTC confirmed no such permission had been granted. Would be interesting to see the footage again.

R12-4-25 One only 3 minute bell will be given on request, prior to the start, after the pit gate has been closed. Any vehicle
failing to grid up after the time limit of three minutes is not eligible to start the race.
(a) The Referee is the sole judge of time in Rule R12-4-25 and can only allow one 3 minute delay per race.
(b) No vehicle will leave from the 3 minute bell area until instructed by the Clerk of the Course

[BarryB]

Apr 23, 2022 21:09:35 GMT 12 tank11 said:

Apr 23, 2022 21:07:38 GMT 12 youngone said:

Giants Panthers semi

Highest v lowest

Group A winner vs Group D winner
Group B winner vs Group C winner

I do favour highest vs lowest though.

Barry B

[BarryB]

Apr 23, 2022 23:47:00 GMT 12 percy said:

The other one that was interesting was in the Stratford vs Christchurch race

The Stratford car was rolled on it's side but not touching the wall so no 30-second period for the Christchurch car to disentangle (or so we were told). Both cars left on track for the restart with a subsequent red when 971c disentangled.

I'm not convinced the officials got this right

R12-4-57
When a vehicle is the primary cause of an emergency stoppage, it is not eligible to restart. Exception: Rollovers, see R12-3-47 below.
(a) If one or more cars are up the wall or with rollcages exposed, the race will be stopped to remove the primary cause of the emergency stoppage from the race.
(b) The Referee, once the danger has cleared, will give the un-endangered car or cars (not the primary cause of the stoppage) a 30 second opportunity to free themselves from the other car. The referee can only allow one 30 second opportunity.
(c) If they are unable to free their car they will be removed from the race

So the 30 second disentanglement process can be enacted in two instances per part a). Either when one or more cars are up the wall OR when a roll cage is exposed. In this instance the car was not up the wall but its roll cage was exposed and thus my reading of the rule is 971c should have been given the 30 second period to disentangle.

I felt the interpretation of the rule was non-sensical.

Head referee made an error here, which he openly admits.

He read the rule as "(a) If one or more cars are up the wall and with rollcages exposed", not "(a) If one or more cars are up the wall or with rollcages exposed".

He has put up his hand an apologised to all teams via the managers meeting tonight.

Barry B

[turnright]

Ouch race 1 night 2

[BarryB]

Apr 24, 2022 18:12:23 GMT 12 turnright said:

Ouch race 1 night 2

Sure was. Commentary has it 160-25 to Auckland over Manawatu, although I'm not sure 66a will be classified as a finisher as 166a was already parked to collect the flag. Hope those Mustang drivers are okay.

Barry B

[hienekenno1]

Hope 59p Stephen Penn is alright, doesn't look good, big delay here at the moment 🙁

[wattpilot]

Police and fire in attendance :-(