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Post by petrolfumes on Apr 26, 2022 11:36:43 GMT 12
Trying to get my head around how long the lights stay green after flag drops :
Going through video and cant figure when they put the ambers on :
Is it when the leader does a lap at speed after the flag or does he pull off or do the light keepers leave them on until all cars cross line :
Didnt seem to be consistent on Saturday Night
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Post by sk72 on Apr 26, 2022 11:51:31 GMT 12
Not sure what the rule is, but i guess when there are points on offer, they do their best to give every moving car the opportunity to cross the line?
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Post by graemeh on Apr 26, 2022 12:01:42 GMT 12
FINISH OF RACE
R12-4-65 A race is not finished until the chequered flag is displayed, regardless of the number of laps run.
R12-4-66 The vehicle must cross the finish-line and receive the chequered flag to be deemed to have finished the race.
R12-4-67 When a competitor has received the chequered flag they will take action to avoid all other cars until the yellow
lights are shown. They may not provide assistance to team mates who have not crossed the line.
R12-4-68 Racing will continue until all able vehicles have completed the lap they are on when the chequered flag is shown.
R12-4-69 When yellow lights are shown the race is over. Competitors are to return to the pits at a safe speed (after a victory
lap where appropriate).
R12-4-70 All placings are determined by the finishing order and number of laps completed by each vehicle as recorded by
the approved lap scoring system.
R12-4-71 Any vehicle not receiving the chequered flag is recorded as a DNF.
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Post by screaminV8 on Apr 26, 2022 13:01:30 GMT 12
R12-4-68 Racing will continue until all able vehicles have completed the lap they are on when the chequered flag is shown.
So this is the one that seems to be contentious. Because its all about timing ie if a car is sitting there and takes a few seconds to fire up to complete the last lap once the winner has got the checkered flag, are they/were they still "able". ??
Its not unusual to see a car trying to get to the line and they are nearly there when the yellows go on? And they then don't just loose that lap, they are "DNF" as per R12-4-71
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Post by magilla on Apr 26, 2022 13:15:15 GMT 12
Until last car has crossed the finish line.
As the question is in General Discussion Board are they asking in General (all classes) or a specific type of class and racing as the answers given above all seem specific to one type/class.
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Post by John W. on Apr 26, 2022 13:37:06 GMT 12
I believe many referees put on the yellows when the race winner comes up to the finish line for the second time. Any other cars still moving (but very slowly) are often still considered finishers. This is done for safety in case a car has not seen the chequered flag and still is going full noise.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Apr 26, 2022 14:54:19 GMT 12
In a normal race it is when the leader comes back around to the finish line,
In teams racing we are told as the lead car to pull off the track once finished as any car that is NOT been past the flag race is still going. So if I finished and I go around and pass a slow block car and get nailed that is my fault as his race is still going. This then gives every moving car a chance to finish and collect points.
You normally see the lead car pull off in turn 1 and 2 but on Saturday I seen one race where they carried on around the track.
If the ref can see there is no cars trying to get to the line then they can flick the yellows. It gives the car with 3 wheels a chance to finish.
Hope this helps
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Post by mod46c on Apr 26, 2022 15:15:29 GMT 12
Regulation needs to time parameter added in my IMHO.
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Post by graemeh on Apr 26, 2022 15:59:26 GMT 12
Until last car has crossed the finish line. As the question is in General Discussion Board are they asking in General (all classes) or a specific type of class and racing as the answers given above all seem specific to one type/class. Yes, the question is in General but he was referring to Saturday night at Palmy I think. |
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Post by bikeboy on Apr 26, 2022 18:27:43 GMT 12
In a normal race it is when the leader comes back around to the finish line, In teams racing we are told as the lead car to pull off the track once finished as any car that is NOT been past the flag race is still going. So if I finished and I go around and pass a slow block car and get nailed that is my fault as his race is still going. This then gives every moving car a chance to finish and collect points. You normally see the lead car pull off in turn 1 and 2 but on Saturday I seen one race where they carried on around the track. If the ref can see there is no cars trying to get to the line then they can flick the yellows. It gives the car with 3 wheels a chance to finish. Hope this helps Thanks Regan I always thought it ended when the lead car got around to take the finish flag again , interesting that they had another interpretation for the teams |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Apr 26, 2022 20:43:42 GMT 12
I believe many referees put on the yellows when the race winner comes up to the finish line for the second time. Any other cars still moving (but very slowly) are often still considered finishers. This is done for safety in case a car has not seen the chequered flag and still is going full noise. I 2nd that. |
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Post by magilla on Apr 27, 2022 20:46:50 GMT 12
Until last car has crossed the finish line. As the question is in General Discussion Board are they asking in General (all classes) or a specific type of class and racing as the answers given above all seem specific to one type/class. Yes, the question is in General but he was referring to Saturday night at Palmy I think. oh, did that accident happen after the finish? |
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Post by petrolfumes on Apr 27, 2022 21:18:28 GMT 12
Yes, the question is in General but he was referring to Saturday night at Palmy I think. oh, did that accident happen after the finish? No |
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