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Post by grindingdisc on Mar 11, 2023 10:17:10 GMT 12
News just in SNZ have just allowed the Trial of running the kiwi racing superstock tyre in the stockcar class…
So much for keeping the costs down.. yet again favouring the kiwi racing tyre over the hoosier, smells like someone in snz is lining their own pockets here…
Competitors never got a say in this and this info arrived for the first time via email
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Post by nottosure on Mar 11, 2023 10:56:41 GMT 12
It's definitely an interesting 'trial' that SNZ have snuck into the Stockcar class considering the tyre isn't a standard road type tyre as per the Stockcar rules.
The press release only states it's a trial but no reference to who the tyres are being trialled by, or if it's open to anyone to purchase the tyres to use and provide feedback.
Are the tyres able to be used at all championships at club and national levels or club type meetings only?
Sorry to say, but the 'trial' looks like a way to help the Kiwi Racing tyre suppliers get rid of stock they hold, which were intended for the Superstock class but hasn't panned out that way. It's definitely surprising that there's no longer any standard road tyres available for the Stockcar class so a form of purpose made race tyres now has to be trialled as an option, or is it the start of slowly merging the two Stockcar classes.
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Post by blackbullet on Mar 11, 2023 11:18:43 GMT 12
The update clearly states that the tyres are available immediately for use for all competitors, The trial is in place until the end of the 2022/23 season,Yes I believe it is 'deal' to rid the tyres from stock to help these guys out
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Post by grindingdisc on Mar 11, 2023 11:55:28 GMT 12
If they want to get rid of stock i suggest selling them cheaper to the superstock class, people will pay the price that reflects quality and they are under par thats why no one wants them…
Why ruin the next class down the line.. suck it up sell the tyres slowly till they are gone and accept they are not up to standard for superstock
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Post by nottosure on Mar 11, 2023 12:39:39 GMT 12
If they want to get rid of stock i suggest selling them cheaper to the superstock class, people will pay the price that reflects quality and they are under par thats why no one wants them… Why ruin the next class down the line.. suck it up sell the tyres slowly till they are gone and accept they are not up to standard for superstock It certainly smacks of SNZ trying to help a provider of goods that have entered the market, but it hasn't worked out as planned. The Stockcar drivers now become (if they wish) the next group to fleece the income from. I'm pretty sure parts such as gearboxes are becoming an affordability and supply problem for the Stockcars rather than easily sourced tyres. |
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Post by mudman on Mar 11, 2023 14:05:37 GMT 12
To call it an absolute joke is beyond an understatement! The stockcar class is not lacking tyre options.
You want to improve the class start addressing the aging running gear situation or doing what many in the class want and slow it down as to be safer and more affordable.
In the last 12 months the morons at snz have ruined the class of stockcars with allowing the efi under a dubious public consultation process and now allowing non road legal purpose dirt track tyres. Looks to everyone else like it is to appease rob lintern and his decision to import hundreds of inferior superstock tyres. (I’m sure there is more to that story that I’m not privy to)
How can a governing body believe they have their stakeholders best interest at heart when they keep treating their biggest supporter base like whipping boys.
Gone is the average working man.
Gone is the standard stock.
Gone is the running of the sport in the best interests of the stakeholders.
allowing the tyres to race the stockcar gp at kihikihi in 2 weeks time is just stupid.
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Post by sadfish on Mar 11, 2023 14:38:34 GMT 12
Racers want speed and handling,but cant afford the extra money to move up a class,so they change the class they race in every year just a bit, introducing little changes that give a little more power and handling and before you know it the class is out of reach for the average man/woman because each change costs money. stockcars should be like big mini stocks that can contact,very strict rules,if its not on a standard road driven car then its not allowed on a stockcar. they did the exact same thing in the saloon class as well $150,000 for a standard stock or a saloon really, its out of control
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Post by grindingdisc on Mar 11, 2023 14:42:39 GMT 12
The drivers never even got asked about this, this is being pushed from the ferry top smells of invested interest in these tyres
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Post by mudman on Mar 11, 2023 14:51:57 GMT 12
The drivers never even got asked about this, this is being pushed from the ferry top smells of invested interest in these tyres Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t they taken away the driver consultation out of the rule changing process? Without consulting the drivers? |
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Post by grindingdisc on Mar 11, 2023 15:31:51 GMT 12
Dont think anything has changed snz are just doing everything willy nilly as they please at the expensive of the competitor
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Post by sadfish on Mar 11, 2023 16:02:37 GMT 12
So someone runs the new tyre and gets an advantage, now to keep up everyone must run one as well,then you get the teams that run a new tyre every race at big meeting and run the used ones at non championship nights,this helps with tyre sales but the underlying problem is MORE cost to the driver/ owners of the cars, this makes the cost problem worse not better,
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Post by bikeboy on Mar 11, 2023 16:09:12 GMT 12
What’s the price if these compared to the coopers that most seem to use ?
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Post by aresdacat on Mar 12, 2023 5:31:25 GMT 12
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Post by mudman on Mar 12, 2023 9:56:43 GMT 12
Anyone who was at the Wellington stockcar champs last night can vouch for how fast both mooneys were on the superstock tyre. Both mooneys and the 85b ran them and if it wasn’t for some local attention would’ve had the title. Cody drove well but the mooneys were something else for outright speed particularly from a standing start.
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Post by grindingdisc on Mar 12, 2023 13:20:59 GMT 12
Hard to compare that when the 3 of them are always a cut above the rest and most of the top cars were in chch but will be interesting to see how it goes
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Post by mudman on Mar 12, 2023 14:02:52 GMT 12
Hard to compare that when the 3 of them are always a cut above the rest and most of the top cars were in chch but will be interesting to see how it goes I don’t feel you can discredit the rest of the field when you have the likes of 52w Josh Lockett, 52p Alex maule, 669w Brendan tye, 78v mark Johnston, 96w brad McGee and 55s Caleb Coxhead all extremely fast cars, regular race winners and who I believe have all qualified for a top tier title. |
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Post by cjo1 on Mar 12, 2023 15:39:21 GMT 12
If they want to get rid of stock i suggest selling them cheaper to the superstock class, people will pay the price that reflects quality and they are under par thats why no one wants them… Why ruin the next class down the line.. suck it up sell the tyres slowly till they are gone and accept they are not up to standard for superstock There has been a lot of absolute nonsense and misinformation posted about Superstock tyres over the last few months, but this one almost takes the cake. Let me apply what you have said, to Superstock engines. Lets say: - The rule book states an engine must be 248 cubic inch - Hartley Race Engines therefore builds 248 cubic inch engines - Engine builder X builds 300 cubic inch engines - The rules are not enforced - As a result, all competitors buy their engines from Engine builder X - given that there is no checking or consequence for running an illegal engine, and if you don't have one, you will not be competitive Would you then be happy to tell Hartley Race Engines that they should be lowering their prices to reflect their quality?? That they are under par and that's why no one wants them?? Suck it up and sell engines slowly until they are gone?? Accept that their product is not up to Superstock standard?? Because that is what you are telling the owners of Kiwi Racing tyres - "yes your tyres are legal and duro 70 AS PER THE RULE BOOK, but because they can't compete with tyres that duro in the mid-50s, then they aren't up to standard". Next time, I suggest you do some research before openly slandering a supplier that has done nothing but abide by the rules. Mudman was happy to name Rob Lintern and his "inferior product". Rob Lintern and his family have poured more time, money and effort into speedway than most of you all combined - giving help and advice to drivers (regardless of class or car type), crewing, sponsoring race cars, sponsoring race meetings, as well as years of dedication to the British Lions team; owning and maintaining race cars, being apart of team management, and housing drivers and their crew. The list goes on and on. All for nothing more than the love and good of the sport. Suggestions of him using the sport and colluding with the Board for underhanded financial gain are not only disgraceful, but laughable given that they are being made by people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about. There is more to the whole tyre saga than most of you will ever know, and the suggestions that Rob and his "inferior product" are attempting to take the sport for a ride couldn't be further from the truth. Keep this in mind the next time that you choose to slander him or his legal tyres in a public forum. |
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Post by superstocker on Mar 12, 2023 15:56:51 GMT 12
Trying to slow superstocks down with that tyre…. Trying to speed stock cars up with fuel injection (hasn’t really worked tho?) an I guess in theory with out looking at lap times etc these tyres sped stockcars up? Why try to slow the glamour class down an speed it’s feeder class up?
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Post by grindingdisc on Mar 12, 2023 16:10:41 GMT 12
If they want to get rid of stock i suggest selling them cheaper to the superstock class, people will pay the price that reflects quality and they are under par thats why no one wants them… Why ruin the next class down the line.. suck it up sell the tyres slowly till they are gone and accept they are not up to standard for superstock There has been a lot of absolute nonsense and misinformation posted about Superstock tyres over the last few months, but this one almost takes the cake. Let me apply what you have said, to Superstock engines. Lets say: - The rule book states an engine must be 248 cubic inch - Hartley Race Engines therefore builds 248 cubic inch engines - Engine builder X builds 300 cubic inch engines - The rules are not enforced - As a result, all competitors buy their engines from Engine builder X - given that there is no checking or consequence for running an illegal engine, and if you don't have one, you will not be competitive Would you then be happy to tell Hartley Race Engines that they should be lowering their prices to reflect their quality?? That they are under par and that's why no one wants them?? Suck it up and sell engines slowly until they are gone?? Accept that their product is not up to Superstock standard?? Because that is what you are telling the owners of Kiwi Racing tyres - "yes your tyres are legal and duro 70 AS PER THE RULE BOOK, but because they can't compete with tyres that duro in the mid-50s, then they aren't up to standard". Next time, I suggest you do some research before openly slandering a supplier that has done nothing but abide by the rules. Mudman was happy to name Rob Lintern and his "inferior product". Rob Lintern and his family have poured more time, money and effort into speedway than most of you all combined - giving help and advice to drivers (regardless of class or car type), crewing, sponsoring race cars, sponsoring race meetings, as well as years of dedication to the British Lions team; owning and maintaining race cars, being apart of team management, and housing drivers and their crew. The list goes on and on. All for nothing more than the love and good of the sport. Suggestions of him using the sport and colluding with the Board for underhanded financial gain are not only disgraceful, but laughable given that they are being made by people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about. There is more to the whole tyre saga than most of you will ever know, and the suggestions that Rob and his "inferior product" are attempting to take the sport for a ride couldn't be further from the truth. Keep this in mind the next time that you choose to slander him or his legal tyres in a public forum. What a load of dribble you must be off your head no ones talking about engines 🤣🤣 its been made quite obvious no one wants to buy the tyres for superstock so why do they (SNZ) feel the need to PUSH it onto the stockcar class with no consultation with the drivers currently in the class, there is many other road tyres out there to be used |
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Post by mudman on Mar 12, 2023 16:56:08 GMT 12
If they want to get rid of stock i suggest selling them cheaper to the superstock class, people will pay the price that reflects quality and they are under par thats why no one wants them… Why ruin the next class down the line.. suck it up sell the tyres slowly till they are gone and accept they are not up to standard for superstock There has been a lot of absolute nonsense and misinformation posted about Superstock tyres over the last few months, but this one almost takes the cake. Let me apply what you have said, to Superstock engines. Lets say: - The rule book states an engine must be 248 cubic inch - Hartley Race Engines therefore builds 248 cubic inch engines - Engine builder X builds 300 cubic inch engines - The rules are not enforced - As a result, all competitors buy their engines from Engine builder X - given that there is no checking or consequence for running an illegal engine, and if you don't have one, you will not be competitive Would you then be happy to tell Hartley Race Engines that they should be lowering their prices to reflect their quality?? That they are under par and that's why no one wants them?? Suck it up and sell engines slowly until they are gone?? Accept that their product is not up to Superstock standard?? Because that is what you are telling the owners of Kiwi Racing tyres - "yes your tyres are legal and duro 70 AS PER THE RULE BOOK, but because they can't compete with tyres that duro in the mid-50s, then they aren't up to standard". Next time, I suggest you do some research before openly slandering a supplier that has done nothing but abide by the rules. Mudman was happy to name Rob Lintern and his "inferior product". Rob Lintern and his family have poured more time, money and effort into speedway than most of you all combined - giving help and advice to drivers (regardless of class or car type), crewing, sponsoring race cars, sponsoring race meetings, as well as years of dedication to the British Lions team; owning and maintaining race cars, being apart of team management, and housing drivers and their crew. The list goes on and on. All for nothing more than the love and good of the sport. Suggestions of him using the sport and colluding with the Board for underhanded financial gain are not only disgraceful, but laughable given that they are being made by people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about. There is more to the whole tyre saga than most of you will ever know, and the suggestions that Rob and his "inferior product" are attempting to take the sport for a ride couldn't be further from the truth. Keep this in mind the next time that you choose to slander him or his legal tyres in a public forum. I was happy to mention rob linterns name because it is no secret that he is one of the men behind the kiwi superstock tyre. We all know that, therefore not slander. Is it inferior to the current Hoosier? By all accounts yes it is which is why the superstock class has pushed back so aggressively against them. Therefore not slander. I may not be across rob linterns full extent of involvement within the sport but I am aware he was trying to do a good thing for the superstock class by bringing these tyres in for them. My ONLY issue with the man (and he may not have anything to do with this and if so I apologise profusely) is the superstock tyre being released upon the stockcar class. The class doesn’t need a specialised dirt track tyre. The street legal tyre rule hasn’t failed the class. There is no shortage of tyre options from $100 cheap Chinese tyres thru to $275 copper cobras. And they aren’t running out any time soon. A lot of this years injected engines have been turning up huge hp numbers like we have never seen before and the great equaliser was the street tyre on the dirt track. Too much power not enough grip. These superstock tyres have just provided the top end cars the grip they have been lacking and us budget racers just get to watch the dream drive away into the sunset. There’s a difference between sport progression and killing the essence of what the sport was born to be. |
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