|
|
Post by BarryB on Apr 8, 2024 12:56:22 GMT 12
Something that struck me, is why some fans where walking through the danger zone, shouldn't they been have been walking behind the crowd. Most tracks have flat walkways for the public in front of the sloped and/or elevated spectator areas. That's how people get in and out of the venue. Barry B |
|
|
|
Post by BarryB on Apr 8, 2024 13:08:11 GMT 12
Will not solve the problem entirely but do not have walkways down the track on the turns, only have them up by upper fence line of the stadium. Also best not to be walking around with your back to the track when racing is going on. Your first point; May work to some extent at some tracks, but certainly not all. Many venues have all round viewing. Any rule introduced must be able to work within the confines of each venue's existing boundaries, and at all 23 venues. Your second point; You get that especially when people are going to get food or visit the public amenities. They walk one way from their seat to the food shop, the opposite way to return to their seat. One of those trips is going to be with their backs to the traffic (unless they're lucky enough to strike a Sidecar race or a reverse-direction Streetstock race at the appropriate time). What you say has merit, but is certainly impractical. Barry B |
|
|
|
Post by midway on Apr 8, 2024 14:09:03 GMT 12
Will not solve the problem entirely but do not have walkways down the track on the turns, only have them up by upper fence line of the stadium. Also best not to be walking around with your back to the track when racing is going on. ASSCC had a incident similar to people walking around in front of the grandstand on entry while unfortunately Streetstocks were racing ,a wheel dislodged it self and over the fence it came striking the girl .Sadly the ordeal ended up in a court appearance ,something you dont wish upon anyone in the sport of speedway .. |
|
|
|
Post by grindingdisc on Apr 8, 2024 16:07:58 GMT 12
Will not solve the problem entirely but do not have walkways down the track on the turns, only have them up by upper fence line of the stadium. Also best not to be walking around with your back to the track when racing is going on. Your first point; May work to some extent at some tracks, but certainly not all. Many venues have all round viewing. Any rule introduced must be able to work within the confines of each venue's existing boundaries, and at all 23 venues. Your second point; You get that especially when people are going to get food or visit the public amenities. They walk one way from their seat to the food shop, the opposite way to return to their seat. One of those trips is going to be with their backs to the traffic (unless they're lucky enough to strike a Sidecar race or a reverse-direction Streetstock race at the appropriate time). What you say has merit, but is certainly impractical. Barry B If some tracks are not able to meet the new safety standards they could revert to a division 2 licenced track untill sorted |
|
|
|
Post by graemeh on Apr 8, 2024 16:25:44 GMT 12
Your first point; May work to some extent at some tracks, but certainly not all. Many venues have all round viewing. Any rule introduced must be able to work within the confines of each venue's existing boundaries, and at all 23 venues. Your second point; You get that especially when people are going to get food or visit the public amenities. They walk one way from their seat to the food shop, the opposite way to return to their seat. One of those trips is going to be with their backs to the traffic (unless they're lucky enough to strike a Sidecar race or a reverse-direction Streetstock race at the appropriate time). What you say has merit, but is certainly impractical. Barry B If some tracks are not able to meet the new safety standards they could revert to a division 2 licenced track untill sorted How would being called a Division 2 track prevent an incident happening? Have I missed something? |
|
|
|
Post by mod46c on Apr 8, 2024 16:35:25 GMT 12
If some tracks are not able to meet the new safety standards they could revert to a division 2 licenced track untill sorted How would being called a Division 2 track prevent an incident happening? Have I missed something? The Ockers certify the track to the classes run, so if you want to run sprintcars you have to pass the sprintcar certification process as a for instance. If you don't run sprintcars you not forced to reach that standard  I guess in NZ replace sprintcar with contact grade. |
|
|
|
Post by graemeh on Apr 8, 2024 16:58:52 GMT 12
Maybe I'm alone with this thought but in my opinion provided there was nothing wrong with the safety fence at Dunedin there should be no further action and the incident be treated for what it was a one-off. Yes, there will be other one-off accidents in the future but it defies logic to think some-one can come up with a set of standards to cover every situation. The day Councils and Governments fence off all footpaths from roads go for it, till then I'm prepared to accept the risk and carry on standing/sitting where-ever.
|
|
|
|
Post by grindingdisc on Apr 8, 2024 17:09:52 GMT 12
division 2 licenced tracks not being able to host national titles and limmited class numbers
IE tracks that dont make an attempt at sorting saftey fence standards are un able to run national titles as they need to be able to race with outside flat tyres
Westport speedway raced as a division 2 Speedway NZ track for years
|
|
|
|
Post by holden65 on Apr 8, 2024 17:44:17 GMT 12
division 2 licenced tracks not being able to host national titles and limmited class numbers IE tracks that dont make an attempt at sorting saftey fence standards are un able to run national titles as they need to be able to race with outside flat tyres Westport speedway raced as a division 2 Speedway NZ track for years And how is that going to stop a car still going over the fence  |
|
|
|
Post by grindingdisc on Apr 8, 2024 20:38:32 GMT 12
division 2 licenced tracks not being able to host national titles and limmited class numbers IE tracks that dont make an attempt at sorting saftey fence standards are un able to run national titles as they need to be able to race with outside flat tyres Westport speedway raced as a division 2 Speedway NZ track for years And how is that going to stop a car still going over the fence If you go abit higher with the fence the car / mud has to go higher to go over the fence into the crowd, got to remember its not always going to be a big streetstock some of the smaller race cars a quite capable of doing the same thing if not higher again The angle top of the fence like i mentioned is suggested in the SNZ fencing rules but is not compulsary, i think this will be alot stronger and will help with with the direct blow on the top of the fence and help provent it bending over, this should also help guide the cars back inside the track and prevent upward blows of mud All of this should help and also help the cause of allowing to bring back outside flat tyres and save our contact class grads, as an attempt of prevention is what is needed to allow this we have been told Hopefully SNZ gets on the ball early now to give the tracks time to get things sorted before the new season comes around |
|
|
|
Post by dandittmer on Apr 8, 2024 21:34:26 GMT 12
Angle the top in may help higher wire ropes and less spaced out rail irons to I think would help, I think tracks also need to stop public being in the pits once racing starts too, so many teens oblivious to the world and looking at there phones while getting in the way is an accident waiting to happen, when a lot of them have no reason to be in there to start with
|
|
|
|
Post by hienekenno1 on Apr 9, 2024 8:43:00 GMT 12
Even one of the American Speedway Facebook pages has the video of the crash, NZ is world famous because of it 🇺🇸 Gee there is 3 people walking along the fence line definitely need to buy a lotto ticket, very lucky 😳
|
|
|
|
Post by midway on Apr 9, 2024 10:00:58 GMT 12
And how is that going to stop a car still going over the fence If you go abit higher with the fence the car / mud has to go higher to go over the fence into the crowd, got to remember its not always going to be a big streetstock some of the smaller race cars a quite capable of doing the same thing if not higher again The angle top of the fence like i mentioned is suggested in the SNZ fencing rules but is not compulsary, i think this will be alot stronger and will help with with the direct blow on the top of the fence and help provent it bending over, this should also help guide the cars back inside the track and prevent upward blows of mud All of this should help and also help the cause of allowing to bring back outside flat tyres and save our contact class grads, as an attempt of prevention is what is needed to allow this we have been told Hopefully SNZ gets on the ball early now to give the tracks time to get things sorted before the new season comes around I THINK THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MUD THAT IS NOT BLOWING FROM THE TRACK UNFORTUNATLY  |
|
|
|
Post by grindingdisc on Apr 9, 2024 11:47:06 GMT 12
|
|
|
|
Post by mod46c on Apr 10, 2024 7:19:34 GMT 12
Something that struck me, is why some fans where walking through the danger zone, shouldn't they been have been walking behind the crowd. Most tracks have flat walkways for the public in front of the sloped and/or elevated spectator areas. That's how people get in and out of the venue. Barry B Fair enough, although I suspect most could be adapted with out to much effort if needs be. Beachlands if I remember correctly has the walkway at the back. |
|
I guess in NZ replace sprintcar with contact grade.
