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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 20:05:11 GMT 12
Ran Jam, not sure what speedway background you have...... Not much, i guess,  In a meeting a year ago with Dave Stewart who quoted that Speedway is the second most spectated sport behind cricket And he got those stats from where? and the figures were what exactly? If you trying to tell me that cricket is the biggest spectator sport in NZ then I would suggest you find some figures to back that up, ohh yeah Dave who.... whats he doing now? ..... So all in all your theory of changing channels might not be the case..... I would suggest that although in MIGHT not be the case... It probably is. also what about conveting the other motorsport followers jet boats, V8's, go karts etc etc If there were so many of them, would they not have their own show? A well executed Highlights show WILL WORK A well executed Highlights show WILL cost huge money, if it would work so well, go find the sponsor, let me know how you get on eh. If you think the pittance that gets paid for the current sub standard tv coverage is big money, I would suggest you are in need of a reality check |
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Post by wayne on Jan 12, 2009 20:13:26 GMT 12
agree with you that guy on the cricket thing but for once i agree with drever , im not a huge tarmac circuit fan ( karts not included ) but enjoy watching the coverage they have on sky still cant get my head around watching f1 but do watch the first lap or 2 ( crashes ) and always watch the indy cars , if you are going to do one or two classes showcase every class, there will be people out who wont like the super stocks but will enjoy the production saloons and vicer virser
just my thoughts
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Post by wayne on Jan 12, 2009 20:17:03 GMT 12
quoted from ramjams last post
If there were so many of them, would they not have their own show?
they do have a show
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 12, 2009 20:17:29 GMT 12
Its a well known fact that ram Jam is a coro st nut and when its not on its coro st reruns or coro st DVDs he last petitioned sky TV to have a coro st channel!!
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Post by eddiek on Jan 12, 2009 20:25:16 GMT 12
agree with you that guy on the cricket thing but for once i agree with drever , im not a huge tarmac circuit fan ( karts not included ) but enjoy watching the coverage they have on sky still cant get my head around watching f1 but do watch the first lap or 2 ( crashes ) and always watch the indy cars , if you are going to do one or two classes showcase every class, there will be people out who wont like the super stocks but will enjoy the production saloons and vicer virser just my thoughts I remember once trying to watch NASCAR on Sky = bored stiff. Apart from the odd crash, it just seemed to be a 200 lap round and round and round and nobody turned right (at least, not without being shunted first). I used to watch V8 Supercars religiously, was a big fan of NZV8s as well... but too much of a good thing, add some politics... I missed almost every race since Bathurst this year, and to be honest, I wasn't upset about it. To be honest, I got more enjoyment out of the Fujitsus or whatever it is they call the V8 Supercar feeder class these days. Many casual viewers could draw comparisons with speedway on TV with American speedway, particularly with the non contact classes - a bunch of guys, all turning left, the odd crash etc... if you're not looking at it live, it just doesnt look the same. I produce speedway DVDs myself - you'd think I'd be a non stop addict watching them every moment I could - fact is, I don't and once I burn my own copy and watch it to make sure everything works, they seldom see the light of day again. Showcasing classes is exactly what I would do if I suddenly found myself a producer of a speedway show, whether or not that would appease the masses is something that would have to be tried to be established. |
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Post by pallmall on Jan 12, 2009 20:33:06 GMT 12
And what are we going to gain by getting speedway on TV?
Probably LESS people coming through the turnstiles because they can now get their speedway fix without moving away from the remote. No need to go to the track anymore and watch the hotdog classes, just stay at home and watch the highlights package.
If you REALLY want to see speedway survive you need to be finding out why crowd numbers are down for your average Saturday night show, find out what the tracks are doing right that are maintaining their numbers, and do some solid promotion to get the families back on a regular basis.
Apart from Firework nights, Demo Derbies, and major championships the crowds are generally pathetic at a lot of tracks.
I witnessed one track absolutely blow their chances with a great Fireworks crowd at the beginning of the season by running a terrible show that will never encourage people to return. It seems that the man everybody loves to hate, Mr W Kay, did the opposite last Saturday night by turning on a SPEEDWAY meeting to an audiance that had come to watch a Demo and Caravan derby.
And what was the difference? By most accounts, fastest from the back for the feature. We have known that since year 1, but choose to ignore every week.
The answers are basic, so forget TV and work on getting the crowds back to speedway, because if you don't there will be nothing to show on your hourly show other than re-runs of how it used to be.
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Post by steeldog on Jan 12, 2009 20:36:47 GMT 12
Here's a thought a little outside the square your talking about but may be a way to start making inroads of taking speedway to the people.
Magorians are the most passionate speedway people I know - just re-read some of our recent posts esp. after this last weekend with all the titles on the line & the great meets at BP & Whangarei.
Anyway, I was listening to Radio Sport and some guy rang up complaining about everyone talking about Jesse Ryder and the announcer asked told him that people talk about what interests them and if he didn't want to talk about Jesse Ryder what did he want to talk about - at which point he hung up.
We love talking about Speedway - Why not have a macgorian hour where we call Radio Sport and talk speedway to sports lovers and let them know about whats going on the length of the country and the heros who race.
Best of all - It's free.
Just takes a little co-ordination and some knowledgable passionate speedway people from around the country.
Raise speedways profile and then maybe TV will follow
What do you think?
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Post by Nat S on Jan 12, 2009 21:33:49 GMT 12
Aaron
Not sure where you have extracted your information from but this show does not show on Channels 9 & 10 and i doubt it ever would be screened on both concurrently as they are rival networks.
The only time i ever saw Speedway on Mainstream TV in Australia was when there was a death or serious accident. Yes the show does air on foxsports, i was made it sit up and watch it several times by Tim whilst we lived there.
Perhaps rather than coming on here and claiming to know it all about what works and what doesnt work for speedway on TV ( I Presume you have no direct input into the Australian programme and are simply voicing your own personal opinions) that you send your feedback directly to SNZ in a constructive manner so your thoughts can be considered by those that actually do the decison making in the appropriate forum.
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Post by Aaron Drever on Jan 12, 2009 21:38:44 GMT 12
Here's a thought a little outside the square your talking about but may be a way to start making inroads of taking speedway to the people. Magorians are the most passionate speedway people I know - just re-read some of our recent posts esp. after this last weekend with all the titles on the line & the great meets at BP & Whangarei. Anyway, I was listening to Radio Sport and some guy rang up complaining about everyone talking about Jesse Ryder and the announcer asked told him that people talk about what interests them and if he didn't want to talk about Jesse Ryder what did he want to talk about - at which point he hung up. We love talking about Speedway - Why not have a macgorian hour where we call Radio Sport and talk speedway to sports lovers and let them know about whats going on the length of the country and the heros who race. Best of all - It's free. Just takes a little co-ordination and some knowledgable passionate speedway people from around the country. Raise speedways profile and then maybe TV will follow What do you think? Its a good Idea ...... Or you could do what RanJam sugests which is nothing and hope for a different outcome ;D (just joking) Speedway on Radio now theres something........ |
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Post by dm on Jan 13, 2009 3:04:28 GMT 12
Sheesh someone talking about trying to do something positive for speedway and out come the glass half empty people, good on ya's............................not  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 4:35:05 GMT 12
Sheesh someone talking about trying to do something positive for speedway and out come the glass half empty people, good on ya's............................not No he's not doing something positive for Speedway at all. He is sitting in his ivory tower saying that someone else should go about finding a sponsor for an hour long TV show. Then someone else should find a production co to make this high quality TV show. And then he's saying that promoters should allow the highlights of the shows that they are trying to get bums on seats to watch live, to be broadcast in this high quality prime time TV show. Then he wants someone else to pitch this high quality, prime time TV show to one of the TV networks who, if we are to believe the bloke, will after a season or two be throwing money at speedway trying to secure the rights to show these events. I would say if he had come on here saying. "After just two phone calls I have secured a sponsor who is willing to put half a million dollars into making 26 high quality one hour shows featuring all the highlights of the best of Speedway in New Zealand. The first few shows will feature the Winged Warriors of New Zealand Speedway. Thats right folks Minisprints are finally going to show that they are the best class in New Zealand." "I am in the middle of negotiating with the promoters to allow this to happen and I have had positive talks with (insert any TV network name here) who are very receptive to showing this program in prime time." I am also negotiating with the 8 or so tracks that run at night who's lighting is so bad it would be difficult to see whats going on after sunset on TV, to replace their lighting." If he had have said that sort of thing then I would say hell yes he's doing something positive but as it is he's interviewing himself and coming up with facts and statistics that i would say he has picked out of his botty, or been given but never bothered to check. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 13, 2009 6:20:27 GMT 12
Barry, It is on Fox Sports, Channel 10 and Channel 9 and yes it does have great coverage. check out what he has been doing since 1995 powerproductions.net.au/cflag.shtmlthere are other shows as well.... That hardly answers my questions Aaron........or your claims. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 13, 2009 7:17:01 GMT 12
Speedway is certainly deserving of more coverage than it currently receives, no doubt, but sometimes I feel that the fanatics (and certainly all macgorians are that) lose sight of reality. Think Big Aaron says. New Zealand once had such a policy under a former Government, but realistically New Zealand is never going to challenge the United States as a country. We can set out to be as good as we can be however.
And so can speedway, but to feel the TV Networks are going to be falling over each other to give us coverage is something of pure fantasy. Here on macgors, or through the pages of NZDTR, we are preaching to the already converted, completely wasted breath. Whilst I'm not suggesting we Think Small, we also need to keep a firm grip on reality. Speedway has been around for a long long time. If it was ever going to become "mainstream" and the stuff of "prime time", don't you think it would have already?
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Post by Aaron Drever on Jan 13, 2009 11:11:03 GMT 12
Sheesh someone talking about trying to do something positive for speedway and out come the glass half empty people, good on ya's............................not No he's not doing something positive for Speedway at all. He is sitting in his ivory tower saying that someone else should go about finding a sponsor for an hour long TV show. Then someone else should find a production co to make this high quality TV show. And then he's saying that promoters should allow the highlights of the shows that they are trying to get bums on seats to watch live, to be broadcast in this high quality prime time TV show. Then he wants someone else to pitch this high quality, prime time TV show to one of the TV networks who, if we are to believe the bloke, will after a season or two be throwing money at speedway trying to secure the rights to show these events. I would say if he had come on here saying. "After just two phone calls I have secured a sponsor who is willing to put half a million dollars into making 26 high quality one hour shows featuring all the highlights of the best of Speedway in New Zealand. The first few shows will feature the Winged Warriors of New Zealand Speedway. Thats right folks Minisprints are finally going to show that they are the best class in New Zealand." "I am in the middle of negotiating with the promoters to allow this to happen and I have had positive talks with (insert any TV network name here) who are very receptive to showing this program in prime time." I am also negotiating with the 8 or so tracks that run at night who's lighting is so bad it would be difficult to see whats going on after sunset on TV, to replace their lighting." If he had have said that sort of thing then I would say hell yes he's doing something positive but as it is he's interviewing himself and coming up with facts and statistics that i would say he has picked out of his botty, or been given but never bothered to check. Your an Idoit. Hence why speedway will never advance with small time thinkers such as yourself who is happy to go down the road to the local track and be contempt with that. Springs Promotions moved foward and everyone said oh no that wont work in regards to TV and what they have done when they appeared on the scenes in 2002. Every season they produce 12 or so shows there own magazine and people still come through the gate to watch.... Everyone said the Outlaws will never come down here untill Willie Kay went out and negioated with them and they came here..... Get Real....... TV is the future and it is now that we need to be on here! In regards to Channel 9/10 there are other motorsport shows that are screening speedway we should be following Australia not waiting 10 years then following........ Lets get the promotors into a meeting and talk about how they are going todo it...... If Smashfest can been screened anually then why can't we do a higlight show weekly? Lewis Dawson brought Live Speedway into our lounges..... Fantastic thats what its about..... he still had a crowd....... Gee Barry Brown even flew down to commentate on TV did you not? |
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Post by Hooncorp on Jan 13, 2009 11:45:35 GMT 12
I hate to climb into this debate Dreves, but I must correct you on one major matter.
The correct pronounciation of 'Your an idiot' should be 'You're an idiot', as in You-are.
Used to be good at English at school, happy to help.
Hooncorp.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 12:02:13 GMT 12
And what are we going to gain by getting speedway on TV? Probably LESS people coming through the turnstiles because they can now get their speedway fix without moving away from the remote. No need to go to the track anymore and watch the hotdog classes, just stay at home and watch the highlights package. If you REALLY want to see speedway survive you need to be finding out why crowd numbers are down for your average Saturday night show, find out what the tracks are doing right that are maintaining their numbers, and do some solid promotion to get the families back on a regular basis. Apart from Firework nights, Demo Derbies, and major championships the crowds are generally pathetic at a lot of tracks. I witnessed one track absolutely blow their chances with a great Fireworks crowd at the beginning of the season by running a terrible show that will never encourage people to return. It seems that the man everybody loves to hate, Mr W Kay, did the opposite last Saturday night by turning on a SPEEDWAY meeting to an audiance that had come to watch a Demo and Caravan derby. And what was the difference? By most accounts, fastest from the back for the feature. We have known that since year 1, but choose to ignore every week. The answers are basic, so forget TV and work on getting the crowds back to speedway, because if you don't there will be nothing to show on your hourly show other than re-runs of how it used to be. Give this man several beers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 12:11:16 GMT 12
Aarron Dreamer... If this is such a good idea and is so badly needed. How much would this high quality prime time show cost - A: To make?
- B: To pay the TV network to play in prime time
How much of this money have you - A: Helped raise
- B: Agreed to put in yourself
Where is your business plan for this thing that you claim will be such a money spinner in just a few seasons that the networks will be throwing $$$ at to gain the rights for. Oh yeah, you want everyone else to do it!! You cant't even answer simple questions like "HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT CRICKET IS THE #1 SPECTAOR SPORT IN NEW ZEALAND?" or "HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT SPEEDWAY IS THE #2 SPECTATOR SPORT IN NEW ZEALAND?" And if you think Dave Stewart told me at a meeting of plonkers is an acceptable answer then you need a bigger wake up call than I thought. You are very big on facts, figures and stats ... but VERY short on the ability to refrence these. Minisprints are Winged Warriors...And I'm the idiot. |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 13, 2009 12:13:39 GMT 12
I just don't believe having our sport on TV is the be-all and end-all......although I admit I once did.
If it cannot be done properly, which costs a fair bit of moolah, we'd be better off not being there at all. If we can't make our sport appear better than it really is, or at least as good, then we should not bother. A highlights show, maybe, well done documentary style programming would probably better however. This could/would attract new watchers and hopefully a few new fans. We don't want to be aiming TV coverage at the already converted. That's just a waste of money and resources.......
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Post by steeldog on Jan 13, 2009 12:17:13 GMT 12
may i suggest stockcars at dawn?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2009 12:18:31 GMT 12
Can I just say I personally think this topic has been debated to death, Ive read all the ideas, the fors and against's, and nothings changed.
Gate prices seem to be up, the show quality seems to be down, crowd numbers appear down somewhat, and were on here claiming to be passionate fans of speedway, yet we are concerned more about making a 90 second hightlight reel once a week thinking that will promote speedway.
I can talk to Dobbo and see whats required to make the Plays of the week, but Id suggest the answer will be along the lines of those already posted re forcing speedway into a market that doesnt really need or want it.
Id also like to point out that I have met both Ramjam and Dreve's, you are both nice guys and passionate about your speedway, but please get off the board and ring each and have your catfight's somewhere where I dont have to read it, not matter what thread you two have opposing thoughts and ideas which is great, but stop running each other down and having ego fights, you put the people I work with in radio and TV to shame, and Im sick of seeing it.
I had a very birief and bitter spat with Barry B when I was "mediadog" I realised I was completey in the wrong and acting like a child, I then met and pologised to Barry in person at a meeting at KK on the infield, and have been humbled ever since.
Thanks pallmall for putting up my similar thoughts and sentiments.
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