Super Saloon GP (Read 5,680 times)

[Super Salooncar Fan]

Thats 2 of us Percy wouldnt miss this quality field and another chance of seeing my southern mates.

Jan 21, 2009 12:54:45 GMT 12 percy said:

There will be at least one spectator in the stadium - I'm going to be at Baypark for the first time this season.

Seeing Super Saloons at Baypark is one of the best sights in speedway and this is an event not to be missed. 27/28 cars is pretty good considering the NZ Champs were held so far away. I haven't even considered going to the opening of the Kihikihi Speedbowl.

I can't wait to get down to Baypark this weekend and I am confident that Willie will put on a quality show.

[schumaaka]

Jan 21, 2009 12:54:45 GMT 12 percy said:

There will be at least one spectator in the stadium - I'm going to be at Baypark for the first time this season.

Seeing Super Saloons at Baypark is one of the best sights in speedway and this is an event not to be missed. 27/28 cars is pretty good considering the NZ Champs were held so far away. I haven't even considered going to the opening of the Kihikihi Speedbowl.

I can't wait to get down to Baypark this weekend and I am confident that Willie will put on a quality show.

make that 2 spectators unless I can find a drive!!!

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

Jan 21, 2009 12:10:54 GMT 12 tr8 said:

what do we have to do to keep murray happy,28 supers is a good show
of the 28 the quaility is very very high.
you should be proud to have the g\p in tga being a tga counciler.
i beleive plus or minius the same amount for the saloon g\p so your point is?

tr8 is correct, I should be proud to have the NZGP for Super Saloons in Tauranga ...

And I look forward to the day when I am,
as I have been in the past!

NZ's no.1 city in the sun with NZ's potential no.1 speedway hosting visitors from around NZ (albeit not many) in 2/3 days time and I have no official idea who is coming or how many!

The same night as the GP for super saloons I am attending the Waikato Champs for which the format and entry list has been made available to the speedway community for some time, constantly updated.
On Sunday I attend the NZGP for saloons at Kihikihi, a very poor cousin to BP in the facilities department but light years ahead in the organisation, effort, and hospitality department! 32 competitors entered and named along with the format to be used!
Of that 32, 28 are visiting cars to Kihikihi, twice the number visiting Baypark!.

Not that you care, but my previous posting was purely informative, no point being made, so stop looking.

Yip, I should be proud, BUT frankly, I'm angry, I'm embarrassed!

PS: You can forward this link now!

[tr8]

sometimes quailty is better than just shear nos,
,only 14 visiting cars ,but wow what cars they, are all capable of winning,
it will be on hell of a show on a track that has provided more than one lane racing surface ,two lanes and a third for the brave
but mount cars will still take 1st to 3rd

[DTM1]

Same arguement different event.

While i have a lot of time for WK and will stand in support of him when something is said that isnt correct,i just cant help getting more and more frustrated with the lack of outward promotion of Baypark and its schedule.

Willie knows how to put a show together and has in the past shown just how good he can be at driving the promotional bus and that is what makes the lack of promotion so bloody frustrating.

Next seasons deal would benefit greatly if it had momentum in behind it,rather than total ambivalence.

[snoggrat]

Jan 21, 2009 12:10:54 GMT 12 tr8 said:

what do we have to do to keep murray happy,28 supers is a good show
of the 28 the quaility is very very high.
you should be proud to have the g\p in tga being a tga counciler.
i beleive plus or minius the same amount for the saloon g\p so your point is?

Don't get me started on murray and his misguided support for BP.
Don't worry about where he works (tui) look on one of his posts and check out his location.

Peter

[NutZ]

A of a "Murray Guyesque" post without the venom.

From the 'Bay News'


OT sort of - Stuart Whitaker's other job is photographer at baypark.
I have bought a couple of photos from him (1 of only a couple of non drivers to do so )
Found him easy to trade with and a freindly guy to talk to.

[photostu]

Thanks for those kind words NutZ

And before anyone else gets in - I've been "reminded" Paddy North is not from Dunedin!! Doh!!

[photostu]

Oh - someone did get in before me - on the other thread

[pandkpete]

sorry to be a pain but what other classes are running at bp this weekend

[sonic33]

Mini stocks, saloons, and sprintcars. There was a thread yesterday that said stockcars stood down for this weekend

[stu47]

No doubt about the number and calibre of drivers attending. whats the format? Presume it'll be the American style of individual time trials, dash, B main & A main. Can anyone confirm? Should be a great nite. Looking forward to returning to Baypark after an awesome SI tour

[strx7]

Jan 22, 2009 13:08:55 GMT 12 stu47 said:

No doubt about the number and calibre of drivers attending. whats the format? Presume it'll be the American style of individual time trials, dash, B main & A main. Can anyone confirm? Should be a great nite. Looking forward to returning to Baypark after an awesome SI tour

Yes that is the format.

[steeldog]

Jan 21, 2009 9:08:50 GMT 12 steeldog said:

I have just sent the Rep an email so we'll see what response that gets.

I just got my reply (sent 11 am)
She is unable to confirm the entry list and will see Willie tomorrow (?) about who and the format. Even then she said she can not Pubilicize the entries. just check the paper.

She did say about 27 - 28 or maybe more cars will be there.

So for all that - nothing new.

[kwikchange]

Format: Qualifying
All cars draw to establish qualifying order. Qualifying will be conducted using
the Dorian electronic lap scoring system as stipulated in Rule T6-4-1. At the
conclusion of qualifying cars will be placed in order fastest to slowest. In regard
to duplicate times, the first to achieve that time gets the position and so on. Any
car failing to make a qualifying attempt in its drawn group MAY be credited
with last place in the qualifying group, at the discretion of the Clerk of the
Course.

Heat Races (10 laps)Cars will be placed by qualifying position with six cars inverted as follows:
1st Heat 2nd Heat 3rd Heat
18 13 17 14 16 15
12 7 11 8 10 9
6 1 5 2 4 3
24 19 23 20 22 21
30 25 29 26 28 27
36 31 35 32 34 33
Cars finishing in the top four transfer to the New Zealand Grand Prix.

Dash
The 12 cars that have transferred to the Grand Prix will be ranked fastest to
slowest by qualifying time with either zero, four or six cars inverted (inversion
is determined by marble draw at the conclusion of qualifying). The finishing
order of the dash determines the starting positions of the first 12 positions of
the Grand Prix.
B Main (12 laps)
The remainder of the cars not qualified for the Grand Prix will line up by
qualifying time. The top 8 finishers transfer to the Grand Prix race. They will
line up in the Grand Prix race from grid 13 through to 20 in
the finishing order of the B Main.
NZ Super Saloon Grand Prix (20 Laps)
The first 12 starting positions are determined by the dash finish orders. The
remaining eight spots are allocated in the order of finish of the B Main.
The winner of the Grand Prix race becomes the New Zealand Super Saloon
Grand Prix Champion, with the rest of the placings awarded in finishing order.

Taken from the Official Entry Form

[sonic33]

Have been fed that format for a while now and still think it only works for more than 40 cars (down graded from 50) otherwise it waters the show down.

Take this weekend. Time trials, not my thing anyway. Too much decided on the marble draw as the track changes lots during the 30cars.

Heats: 3 x 10 car heats if you get 30 cars
Dash: A 12 car race. Not bad, especially when top 6 inverted
B Main: 18 car race if 30 cars turn up, again Not bad. Decent car numbers.
Championship: Will be awesome.

How the fromat would work with 45 cars.

3 X 15 car heats (good numbers)
Dash: Same as above, not bad.
C main: Lowest 17 on time trials. Top 4 to back of the main
B Main: Top 16 non quals off the front and top 4 of C main. 20 car race. Top 8 to back of championship 12.

That's why that format works with big car numbers for a one night event.

Would have thought with 30ish cars in attendance, 2 x 15 car heats marble and reverse, top 6 in each group to a dash based on points (not time trials), next four in each group add onto the 12 based on points gained from heats. 20 car final. That's 6 super saloon races with a minimum number 15 cars in each race other than the dash.

Any other track would run 30 supers over 2 nights. I like the way they are doing it over 1 night but query the heats with 9-10 cars in them.

Why not a compromise. 2 X 15 car heats based on time trials, top 6 in each go through to final and therefore dash with top 6 inverted, the other 18 go into the B main based on time trials, and top 8 join the back of the results of the dash, for a 20 car final. Thats 5 super saloon races with a minimum of 15 cars in each race other than the dash.

BP is well wide enough to do it and spectators get to see full fields on all races.

This will be the last time I put forward a format as the promoter does what he thinks is best or wants.

Would like thoughts of others but feel for less than 40 cars there is a better 1 night format

[percy]

I agree with the format put forward by sonic33. I think that format would produce superior entertainment to the Outlaw format whilst ensuring a fair outcome for all concerned.

[sonic33]

Doesn't suprise me steeldog. There will be very little info released to the public. Thats the way it works at BP. Shame really.

Beginning to not care. Things will not change till SNZ or SPANZ make some more changes, and thats only likely to effect championship meets. Local meets may not change.

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

Personally struggle with a 2 heat reverse marble (to be used by Kihikihi for the saloon GP), believing the 3 heat reverse secures a fairer outcome for the majority.

Kihikihi Saloon NZGP format: (32 competitors) Each group 2x 12 Lap Heats (Marble Draw/Reverse). Top 8 from each group go through to final. Highest point scorer deciding 1 or 2, rest of group following down pole or wall depending on 1 or 2 chosen. Repercharge 12 Laps, top 4 will be positions 17, 18, 19 & 20 for Final. Top 20 - 25 Lap Final. First over line Grand Prix Winner

The format being used this Saturday by Huntly for the Waikato Saloon Champs looks good to me, fair on competitors and produces a decisive winner at the end.

www.huntlyspeedway.co.nz/

3 qualifying heats of 15 laps each will
determine points for grid positions in a
20 lap final. The winner of the Final race
will be the new Waikato Saloon Champion.

As an added bonus the top 10 placegetters
will feature in a reverse grid, 10 lap
race sponsored by Line 7. This will
challenge the new Waikato Champion to
come from grid 10 to win the "Bonus Race".

[NutZ]

Jan 22, 2009 19:39:17 GMT 12 sonic33 said:

Have been fed that format for a while now ....blah blah blah
Take this weekend. Time trials, not my thing anyway. ....blah blah blah

....blah blah blah Championship: Will be awesome.

How the fromat would work with 45 cars. ....blah blah blah
....blah blah blah That's why that format works with big car numbers for a one night event.

Would have thought ....blah blah blah
....blah blah blah
Any other track would run ....blah blah blah
Why not a compromise. ....blah blah blah
BP is ....blah blah blah on all races.

This will be the last time I put forward a format as the promoter does what he thinks is best or wants.

At last the penny has dropped... Thank GOD for that!