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Post by racn96 on Jan 19, 2009 14:59:25 GMT 12
just wanting others opinions on this subject.... im not moaning (well sort of) just intrested to see what you all think.
a few things happend that normally shouldnt. taking in to mind that it wasnt just a club night it was the auckland champs.
* in the first race a drivers transponder stopped working, we had a lil meeting with the drivers & still gave him his place in the race. should that have happend or should they have been excluded from the race as it says in the rule book the driver is responsible for his transmitter???
* another car was also allowed to race after being weighed in at 1390kgs. he was told he could either load up or race for no points, no other drivers were consulted about this. he choose to race for no points & in the feature race took out a top points leading car, is this right as it effected the results???
* there were a few cars tied on points after the last heat for 3rd place. & as we all thought yay a run off we were told no time for a run off as we have to put the jalopies out for there race instead. so they choose 3rd place by the grid postion each car started on in that race. is this right??
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Post by Ricoshea on Jan 19, 2009 15:03:48 GMT 12
gosh
i was aware of your first point, but not the other 2.
a runoff was anounced, then a little further on, a further anouncement that the meeting was over.
very messy
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Post by 1 pie on Jan 19, 2009 15:07:06 GMT 12
NO WAY the 2nd point should have been on the trailer or put weight in it. Then their should of been a coin toss if out of time. works down here
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Post by Wild_Child on Jan 19, 2009 15:10:31 GMT 12
* in the first race a drivers transponder stopped working, we had a lil meeting with the drivers & still gave him his place in the race. should that have happend or should they have been excluded from the race as it says in the rule book the driver is responsible for his transmitter??? * another car was also allowed to race after being weighed in at 1390kgs. he was told he could either load up or race for no points, no other drivers were consulted about this. he choose to race for no points & in the feature race took out a top points leading car, is this right as it effected the results??? * there were a few cars tied on points after the last heat for 3rd place. & as we all thought yay a run off we were told no time for a run off as we have to put the jalopies out for there race instead. so they choose 3rd place by the grid postion each car started on in that race. is this right?? my 2 cents: - I agree with the placing even with the transponder out - what was the reason for the transponder not working though - was it something that happened once the driver was in the car or was it not working prior to the meeting? - i don't think that this car should have been unable to race since he didn't meet the requirements. But part of me thinks that he should have been able to race since he was there already... - I think the runoff should have happened - but i think since it wasn't the final places should have been given through how many cars were passed by each driver in the last race from their original grid position (hope this makes sense  .. This is just the thoughts of someone that doesn't race stockies & isn't too sure on the rules |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 19, 2009 15:17:46 GMT 12
agree with 1
disagree with 2
disagree with 3 although just being a local championship means the promotion can run it how they want in regards to the run off
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Post by Action-Man on Jan 19, 2009 17:05:13 GMT 12
tuff call about the transponder, did they have a lap scorers card to fall back on?
If it's in the rule book then, them is the rules.. if the driver was at fault than it's his loss. fix it for race 2. get it right next time
The same should be said for the 1390 car.. add 10 KG or don't race. End of story... adding 10kg has got to be the easiest solution.. problem solved..
Run off's have the potential to be one of the most exciting events in speedway.
If your promoter would rather count backwards while everyone yawns there way through a jalopy race?
Great night of stockcars though..
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Post by chooken on Jan 19, 2009 17:05:25 GMT 12
No1, If the driver is responsible for his transponder and it was faulty or whatever then he should of lost points for that race until it was righted.
No2, He should NOT of been allowed out to race unless he put weight into the car. And the fact he chooses to go out and race and then takes out a top running car, whats with that. What is the point in having rules written if they are not going to get adhered to.
No3, It was a championship night regardless if it was a home one or not, the run off should of come first. I for one dont believe you can have cars on equal points and decide placings any other way than a run off. To bad if the jalopies only got to race 5 laps, the run off was more important. I hope the club sees that this has obviously made a few people unhappy and sees this never happens again.
But glad to see they got one thing right and that was giving the entertainers trophy to the correct car (137A). Well done Jamie Fergusson.
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Post by tuftef on Jan 19, 2009 17:58:22 GMT 12
;D Point 1 The driver had his transponder charged that morning & thought everything was tickity. After the race results where posted we discovered he had no points even after comeing from grid 21 up to 3rd. Ameeting was called to award him his points, He got another transponder & continued with the night.  Point 2. I did hear a rumor of an under weight car but was told it was 4kg under because he had no wing   Point 3 We 2 where informed of a run off & where ready & waiting until the results where posted then we loaded up & got ready for home.... Club champs = club decissions I suppose  Just my veiw |
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Post by wolsie on Jan 19, 2009 17:59:40 GMT 12
Yet again we seem to have no regards to the rule book.simple over /under weight no race!NOT having run off ?thats as bad as not running the final heat.If this was a decision from promoter then needs to read the rule book that the drivers have to follow not his own.Transponder not working so what, manual lap scoring still works.Why do we still have to have numbers if only going to use els.NOTHING in my rule book says that you must have els working. says were it must be mounted what type etc thats it.
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Post by haygar on Jan 19, 2009 18:34:12 GMT 12
Yet again we seem to have no regards to the rule book.simple over /under weight no race!NOT having run off ?thats as bad as not running the final heat.If this was a decision from promoter then needs to read the rule book that the drivers have to follow not his own.Transponder not working so what, manual lap scoring still works.Why do we still have to have numbers if only going to use els.NOTHING in my rule book says that you must have els working. says were it must be mounted what type etc thats it. rule t6-4-5 it is the competitors responsibility to make sure that his/her transmitter is fitted to the vehicle in the correct position and charged correctly at all times when the dorian data-1 is in use thats it |
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Post by wolsie on Jan 19, 2009 18:53:06 GMT 12
Charged yes, working doesnt say.
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Post by chooken on Jan 19, 2009 18:59:21 GMT 12
Well surely it wouldnt take a genius to work it out that if it has to be charged and you have to have them on your car then it would have to be working wouldnt it. For any driver to think that he only has to charge it but it dosnt need to be working properly is silly. Come on work it out. It seems there are rules for one thing and rules broken for another.
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Post by Action-Man on Jan 19, 2009 19:05:56 GMT 12
Okay there seem to be a few gray areas with the rule book and the promoters choice in deciding the outcome of the championship.
But I will add that the park looked better for the long shut down over Christmas.
The Mens Toilets under the grandstand were immaculate new paint clean toilets & they smelled fresh. a very welcome change.
the flags on the tops of the safety fence had been replaced, they were all new and helped brighten up the place.
The new larger Solo track on the infield provided some entertaining close racing. probably not everyone's cup of tea but a vast improvement on the donut ring that used to be there.
Awesome Action in the Stockcar races. Best racing we've seen in a long time.
The P Ministock that won, was he checked ?? 1/2 a lap on the field in 2 races? he was flying...
all in all from the grandstand
9/10 for the clean up
10/10 to the Stockcar guys
9/10 for the show.
Good Luck to all the guys heading down the line for the Stockcar Champs in Wellington.
Still cant make head nor tail of Dreevs high speed rap but maybe that's a blessing. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by wolsie on Jan 19, 2009 19:44:15 GMT 12
The point I was trying to get across is that some rules there is no grey area. Others are anyones guess or how you interpret them.If it doesnt say must be working then how can it be inforced if not working.
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Post by racer10 on Jan 19, 2009 20:04:47 GMT 12
For that 2nd point yes the first time he was under but only by 4kgs then he went back changed some things and was over. He was then told that he could run and was running for points so he done nothing wrong by taking the top car out....
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Post by Aaron Drever on Jan 19, 2009 20:39:39 GMT 12
Still cant make head nor tail of Dreevs high speed rap but maybe that's a blessing. ;D ;D ;D ;D/quote] hmmmmm high speed rap now thats a new one....... If you were as excited as me about the stockcars then yes its a 'rap'. BTW That is the best stockcar racing I have seen this season at WP..... If you want a slower version I will get John Duffy to assit more Shane  |
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Post by Cheque Book on Jan 19, 2009 21:10:21 GMT 12
So dasiy 5a (1396kg went back to the trailer full the car with fuel) then went out and took out billy 168a, great to hear somone slowing billy down, xxx
well rees chassis under weight?? like that the 1st time its ever happen! ( nz champs wheel guard getting welded on) bring out the scales billy's car been sitting around 1500kg for years, how much fuel was in both cars, these light cars which just weigh in 1402kg 1409kg have 18-20L of fuel, what about after racing no fuel, same with these cars 1498kg who have 1L of fuel, can't tell me the way we check it is right, how hard is it to take the fuel cap off on the scales,
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Post by BarryB on Jan 19, 2009 21:21:45 GMT 12
The P Ministock that won, was he checked ?? 1/2 a lap on the field in 2 races? he was flying... just as a matter of interest, what number was that car? |
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Post by Action-Man on Jan 19, 2009 21:59:46 GMT 12
The P Ministock that won, was he checked ?? 1/2 a lap on the field in 2 races? he was flying... just as a matter of interest, what number was that car? 46P Christian Hermansen. No disrespect to Christian, good lines, smooth driver but man that car, left everything in its dust. Nothing came close. Had to change back to OLD SCHOOL MC Dreev's is onto me..  |
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Post by King James on Jan 19, 2009 22:29:07 GMT 12
Congrats to my dad Wayne, who left Gisborne & Gisborne Speedway to go back to the Navy...
Straight back from a boat that wet to Tonga and got his Bluecap on and now a member of the ASSCC just in time for the Stockie champs.. Cool!
how did Clive 157a get on?
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Point 2. I did hear a rumor of an under weight car but was told it was 4kg under because he had no wing 
Point 3 We 2 where informed of a run off & where ready & waiting until the results where posted then we loaded up & got ready for home.... Club champs = club decissions I suppose 
