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Post by kessa on Sept 18, 2009 16:14:51 GMT 12
Did i hear right? have these been banned? and if so why?  |
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Post by Zach11m on Sept 18, 2009 16:18:19 GMT 12
Did i hear right? have these been banned? and if so why? You can email SNZ to apply to use one and it has to be shown in your log book at all times and shown to the track steward also, hope this helps. Also if they were banned it probably would have been due to filming a bad accident and someone flicking it on Youtube, specially if the family of the racer who crashed and got seriously injured or even worse and it was posted online. Hope that makes sence |
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2009 17:22:42 GMT 12
There was never any bad accident filmed and posted on YouTube to my knowledge and the chances of such an accident being filmed that way would have to be quite slim but sns director Lewis Dawson evidently gave a stirring speech at the AGM about the possibility of such a thing happening .
Of course this means he will be against any Television filming happening at speedway without sns vetting before broadcasting and live televising would be outlawed as well I would expect .
I assume we won't see any live coverage from the Springs this year.
Be a bit two faced otherwise
At the end of the day the remit to allow cameras in cars was lost so it reverts to the existing rule of applying to snz for permission to use one . Probably the best way as at least mounting of cameras can be controlled as I figure the biggest danger would be badly mounted cameras flying about the place in an accident .
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Post by mike88g on Sept 18, 2009 17:26:01 GMT 12
It is in the latest SNZ meeting notes about the applications for in-car cameras. I have just applied for my approval.
On a side note:
What brands of cameras are you drivers using and are you happy with them? Mine is a ATC2000 rugged camera and the sound is shocking. I am trying to do a modification to fix the issue.
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Post by escort2 on Sept 18, 2009 17:33:00 GMT 12
fun police......
We just brought a fancy new incar camera today.
how do we vote this rule out?
every other developed motorsport can use these cameras.
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Post by edwards73 on Sept 18, 2009 18:05:03 GMT 12
were can you buy the cameraz from would be awesome to watch
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Post by escort2 on Sept 18, 2009 18:07:54 GMT 12
if this is true our one will be taken back to the shop.
we got one from the local ford dealer. here in wangas.
sport shops may also haver them?
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Post by mike88g on Sept 18, 2009 18:49:48 GMT 12
[glow=red,2,300]STOP WORRYING GUYS.... YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE THEM.[/glow]
Like last year, you just need to get permission form SNZ office.
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Post by carwrecker on Sept 18, 2009 18:51:49 GMT 12
I find it ironick that a remit allowing an activity (in this case incar cameras) can be voted down at conference.
So SNZ takes the view that individual applications will be considered under the perameters laid down by the Directors.
I would have thought that if the members have voted against the remit they are actually saying they dont want them.
How then can SNZ say its OK on an individual basis.
Perhaps what the Directors are actually saying is incar cameras are OK but SNZ want control of the footage gained from them
Perhaps another indication that SNZ is now run by a group made up largely of Promotors
Personally I see no problem with incars as long as those using them are considerate in the use and distribution of the footage gained from them
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2009 18:59:31 GMT 12
Yes Carwrecker , but was the remit voted down only because of the Lewis Dawson speech? . Were the delegates swayed from voting the way they were instructed to by the members they represented .
Will we ever know?.
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Post by eddiek on Sept 18, 2009 19:12:49 GMT 12
The chances of an incar capturing a nasty crash and a competitor posting it on youtube are a lot slimmer than the chances of someone capturing one in the crowd and posting it. Lets ban video cameras from the stands as well just for consistancy's sake, or would that be too simple?
It comes down to ethics really, I've caught a couple of really bad ones which resulted in injuries and those were never posted. Not everyone in the crowd will have the same sense of ethics of course.
Its more likely that a competitor would have the decency and ethics not to post a clip like that than a casual observer in the crowd will.
So I think that such a comment from a director of a sporting body about what he thinks the competitors in that sport might possibly do displays a serious lack of respect for the drivers and their sense of ethics. If that was what was said, then that wasn't terribly clever.
IF they're simply worried about a camera coming loose in a crash and causing an injury THEN theres grounds for seeking approvals to run them, just like any other piece of kit in a car. But rather than written approval independantly they should be simply logged, and subject to scrutineering and let the scrutineers decide if they're a hazard or not.
I think footage of events they want to sell being posted on Youtube is more likely to be the concern here.
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Post by Glenn, Ex 269s on Sept 18, 2009 19:21:53 GMT 12
It is in the latest SNZ meeting notes about the applications for in-car cameras. I have just applied for my approval. On a side note: What brands of cameras are you drivers using and are you happy with them? Mine is a ATC2000 rugged camera and the sound is shocking. I am trying to do a modification to fix the issue. Ive got one that i havnt used in the car yet but have given it a bit of a trial, its a go-pro camera and is the motorsport version in which you can make a setting on it so that the noise is not too excessive, runs off a couple of AAA batteries and can hold about 1/2 hours footage on a 2gb SD card, pro parts in Palmy and Napier (i think its Napier) sell them and you get a few accesories with it or here is the website of the company that makes them www.goprocamera.com/ and www.goprocamera.com/video for a sample video |
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Post by Zach11m on Sept 18, 2009 19:32:38 GMT 12
There was never any bad accident filmed and posted on YouTube to my knowledge I Didn't mean it has happened was just saying if it was to be banned that is probably one of the many reasons  On a side note: What brands of cameras are you drivers using and are you happy with them? Mine is a ATC2000 rugged camera and the sound is shocking. I am trying to do a modification to fix the issue. Im using a ATC2k Camera from oregon scientific, you can buy these camera's from I.Q Toys in Mount Maunganui  www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=0&pid=709&scid=77 |
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Post by escort2 on Sept 18, 2009 19:54:58 GMT 12
we had an oregon camera but found it turned off when the car was hit or it hit the wall. also the sound wasn't that spectacular our new one is a go pro.
same as the one madmike uses in his drift car. apparantly they are the bees knees.
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Post by modsprintsnz on Sept 18, 2009 20:08:27 GMT 12
The chances of an incar capturing a nasty crash and a competitor posting it on youtube are a lot slimmer than the chances of someone capturing one in the crowd and posting it. Lets ban video cameras from the stands as well just for consistancy's sake, or would that be too simple? Surely if such video was posted legal action could be on the cards - like personal photography, videoing is expressly for personal use and most programmes state that "YOU MAY NOT DISTRIBUTE FOOTAGE/PHOTOS TAKEN IN THE STADIUM WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM (insert club here)" I seem to recall an incident a few years back where some plonker ran off to TVNZ with their private coverage of a speedway fatality - he got his moment of fame, but I'm sure the families involved (and others) found the situation insensitive Personally I take video, so I can review it later to give an accurate account of the nights racing when writing up meeting reviews - I did seek consent to post footage and it was granted, however Ruapuna stated they would keep an eye on things to make sure nothing un-toward was posted...Given that I would NEVER post footage of a fatality (I hope I never catch any on tape to be honest) and would seek permission from the driver(s) involved if injury resulted from any footage (none yet) Lets be honest though - most drivers in any class would really like to see what happened in the incident...... I'm guessing SNZ want to know who has camera's in their cars so they could, if need be seize any footage for use in investigation situations.....Lets say that a car with a camera is following another car which suddenly vears right and makes severe contact with the wall causing injury (possibly to someone in the crowd). Such footage could be siezed and investigated to figure out that the cause of the incident was a shock collapsing or such like......(Senna's death in Formula One is a classic case of footage being used in this manner.....) I tend to agree with the "mounting" of the camera being a main reason for SNZ wanting to know who's got cams - easier to control the mounting of cams and if they fall off, roll up to the cars listed than wander round the pits going "did this come off your car?" Sdemon |
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Post by bikeboy on Sept 18, 2009 20:54:20 GMT 12
i have applied for and got permission to use a in car camera again, the wording of the letter was a bit more specific this year compared to last, including that the promotor can stop its use if they wish,
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Post by carwrecker on Sept 18, 2009 23:59:13 GMT 12
I tend to think people are losing sight of the real issue here,
That being that how can something that has been voted against at conference ( the rule making process for our sport) now be OK
Are the wishes of the people being ignored Perhaps for some kind of commercial gain
And yes Macgor I believe that the remit would have passed at conference had Lewis Dawson not got up and said his bit.
In a nut shell I believe that if you don't vote to allow something then you are voting that you don't want it.
Maybe my way of thinking is to simplistic
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Post by mikeyb.co.nz on Sept 19, 2009 1:09:55 GMT 12
I know a little about in car cameras, its my hobby. I custom made an in car camera system, for the purpose of putting into a Superstock, which ran last season mainly in Superstock 492c & various other cars. In all the system did just on 30 meetings, capturing many moments form text book straight lining to motors going bang. I now have a second in car camera ready to go for the coming season. If I ever captured taboo footage, It would never make it on line, I would be the first to hand it over to the officials. You can view some of my in car footage from 08/09 season at www.youtube.com/user/Mikeyb08NZA few photos of my In Car camera can be viewed at www.mikeyb.co.nz/index.php?q=gallery&g2_itemId=136 Attachments:
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Post by escort2 on Sept 19, 2009 1:41:29 GMT 12
I doubt anyone from speedway land would post it online if it contained a bad crash or someone getting very badly hurt.
as in life threatining bad injury.
I doubt if any footage at all has been released by our team??
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Post by Glenn, Ex 269s on Sept 19, 2009 7:50:25 GMT 12
I would be more concerned that a member of the Public would post stuff up rather than drivers if it were a serious incident, I really do hope us drivers would have courtesy to other fellow competitors in this case and even if it isnt in the rule book then it should be one of those unwritten rules that any driver/owner would in the 1st instance make the footage of any incident availiable to SNZ or Police, OSH etc at no cost. I think any driver/crew/owner that didnt would be alienated by others pretty quic but like i say i would be more concerned at the public posting nasty stuff up on the net
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