Saloons (Read 10,140 times)

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Hoping to get a saloon next season just wondering about somthings like what breaks in them all the time, about how much do you spend per season, whats the min width of a saloon with road tyres and rims on and of the cars for sale at the moment what is our best buy.

Codi 91H

[Speedway Central (David)]

Codi have a look at Saloon 77k-2000 Mustang on Macgors buy and sell.

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from the ones that are for sale we would be looking at
56M Camaro
69K Corvette
32V Serria
88K Monza
13M Camaro
but could make the budget stetch to affort somthing for expensive for a well set up car like
8S Falcon
77K Mustang

Codi 91H

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

Sept 21, 2009 17:36:52 GMT 12 @91h said:

Hoping to get a saloon next season just wondering about somthings like what breaks in them all the time, about how much do you spend per season, whats the min width of a saloon with road tyres and rims on and of the cars for sale at the moment what is our best buy.

Codi 91H

Codi, your questions do not have right or wrong answers.
There is no specific componant that 'breaks all the time'.
How much is spent in a season has huge variables, ranging from how often you race, your driving style, can you do your own repairs etc.

Many make the mistake of thinking it's a non-contact class so repairs should be minimal, that the cost will be 25 or so litres of Av Gas ($50) and tires will last all season - ONLY in your dreams.

Took my saloon car to Waihi Beach a few months back for a bit of fun in the sun. Great day, great little track, excellent family outing - and $2000 in damage.

All the cars for sale are likely 'good buys' as they all represent a huge saving on building a new car and engine to go racing. No change from $70,000 if you're starting from sratch. No car is a 'sure thing'. If you buy a race car you have to be prepared to write off all that you have spent - they can be destroyed on the first lap, and the engine can detonate in the pits!

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I understand that it could all go up in smoke and we will have to spend monet just trying to get an idea so that we can decide to buy one or wait. Also does any info on the above cars how they go if they will pass a green sheet.

Codi 91H

[Saloon29s]

Sept 21, 2009 19:09:39 GMT 12 Murray Guy (Grandad) said:

Sept 21, 2009 17:36:52 GMT 12 @91h said:

Hoping to get a saloon next season just wondering about somthings like what breaks in them all the time, about how much do you spend per season, whats the min width of a saloon with road tyres and rims on and of the cars for sale at the moment what is our best buy.

Codi 91H

All the cars for sale are likely 'good buys' as they all represent a huge saving on building a new car and engine to go racing. No change from $70,000 if you're starting from sratch. No car is a 'sure thing'. If you buy a race car you have to be prepared to write off all that you have spent - they can be destroyed on the first lap, and the engine can detonate in the pits!

$70,000!!! Was hoping to build one for a bit less than that.

[pitcrew]

99m is forsale topcar older car but an awsome car to learn in and stil can win races

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

Sept 21, 2009 20:34:32 GMT 12 Saloon29s said:

... $70,000!!! Was hoping to build one for a bit less than that.

A couple of seasons ago an engineer fellow racer purchased a professionally built new monaro saloon frame (tack welded only) then did the balance of the work himself. Cost him in the region of $25,000 as a roller. Add in his time (as I would have to do) and I'd be looking at $33-35,000.

An all new professionally built 350 race engine, drive shaft, gearbox, fitting will add another $35,000. and this wont be a 'world beater'. No point putting a basic slug in a $35k roller!

[porry41]

all above with the exception of 8s/51r are has beens mid to rear feild runners 2 off them monza & seirra are over there 20 year limit .which in it self is a strange ruling if the car is still competative .in todays competative envioment all would have to have 70k motors & upgrades to pull them to the front feild .take 99m for instance old car .but good motor etc . my pick .onlly needs reboding .monaro or camaro .re price brakets i no of 3 supers all good cars 10.to 15k 2 on trailers all turn key & go racing or remove motors & fit ltd motors .

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we are also looking at
23B Firebird
22R corvette
99M Firebird
55H Cortina
along with
56M Camaro
69K Corvette
32V Serria
88K Monza
13M Camaro
8S Falcon
77K Mustang
I dont want to buy a piece of nuts car but dont want to have e to robb a bank to start saloon racing.

Codi 91H

[japsuper]

70 grand, you got to be joking. If thats what it really takes then your class is doomed.
I would say there are guys out there who run cars on budgets that the average guy can afford, they get out there and race. Hey they might not be winning but theres a smile on their face.
If guys come out and say that you need 70K then the prospectives go away and are lost.
Lets here from some of the other guys who do it on a budget ?

And I understand to do it on a budget you do need to be able to do your own work. Stop paying these burglars and teach yourself, or ask someone to show you. Fabricating , Welding, Fibreglassing, Painting etc, none of it is rocket science. Your only welding up dirty old black pipe....... ( i'm sure no ones running Moly Saloons are they !!! )

Come on, give the guy some hope, where are the budget racers, give us another angle......

[steve]

I agree totaly with Jap Super $70,000 rubbish we built 3 saloons this year One owing less than $10,000!!!! you can do it just shop around. Our class is a budget class we should be encorouging peple not scaring them off

[scotty 911w]

i dont know if im qualified to answer this as i havent been racing yet ,but heres where im at
chassis(needed work,which ive done myself),body(with spare panels),12 tyres,4 new rims ,90% of front & rear suspension $1500
birdcaged nissan diff(needs locking)$250
fuel tank(ex stockcar/trademe) $25
3 speed ford gbox(trade me)$60
fans,p steering rack,brakes,odds and sods out of a $10 falcon i had as a spare for the prody i was building,
brand new seat ,gauges ,quick release steering wheel$0(barterd for some time)
plenty more bits and pieces all for next to nothing,
motor ,falcon 4.0 $500???
engine mods $2000 and ill be happy


it may not be the best car but it will be reliable and handle well(i hope) all for under $10k
ill get a big$$$ motor in the future ,at the mo i just wana get out there,
70K?? bah

p.s i DO work for car parts ;D ;D ;D

[chris13w]

Do you reckon it will it be going this season Scotty?

Will be good to have extra numbers.

And I agree - all the talk of $70K is ridiculous, you don't have to spend that to be out there - and even running competitively - plenty of Wellington cars that haven't cost that and go fine.

Take Nigel Greensides Corvette - held off Steve Williams at Palmy last year - and I'm sure he wouldn't claim it cost anywhere near $70K!!

Cheers
Chris

[Speedway Central (David)]

48a can do it and his car not in the $70,000 range or near.

[chris13w]

Sept 22, 2009 22:48:25 GMT 12 DEBBIE SERVICE said:

Sept 22, 2009 22:28:32 GMT 12 Speedway Central (David) said:

48a can do it and his car not in the $70,000 range or near.

Sorry to say but PHIL is an origanal driver if his car carnt respond there something wrong with it it aint the price it the driver,for instance put the driver in a modern car and it dont go the same,(was gona say does um well not what it should)so after saying that get to no your car,blaa blaa blaa
this will only get deleted so hey the truth gets some people

Is it just me... or does anyone else have problems ever working out what your posts actually mean??

[Murray Guy (Grandad)]

Sept 22, 2009 21:44:50 GMT 12 chris13w said:

... all the talk of $70K is ridiculous, you don't have to spend that to be out there - and even running competitively - plenty of Wellington cars that haven't cost that and go fine ... Cheers, Chris

Rediculous maybe, but fact, yes!
Nobody says you HAVE to spend $70,000.
Not everybody works for wreckers and car parts, have the skill sets to construct a saloon, build and maintain a race engine.
The majority of the saloon class will have a lot of satisfaction racing their home built and or older $12,000 car. We need folk to spend the big bucks on new cars so that the rest of us can buy them at greatly reduced prices.
The class is not doomed. We have the same in all speedway classes - $150,000 super stocks down to $15,000, and all having (hopefully) fun. $10,000 ministocks or $2000.

[tank11]

Agree Chris, hard to make sense of................

[tank11]

Ahhhh starting to get the drift.

A good driver gets the best out of whatever they drive, but a better car with a lesser driver doesn't make a winner.

Put the better driver in the better car and you have a winner.............

[hermo]

I think what she means is that Phil towgood has driven his car for quite a few years now and knows how to adjust it to his driving style, if another driver got in it they probably wouldn't be able to get it around the track at all. Equally if Phil got in another car he would have to learn what to do to make it fit his style. I drove the 98w car last season and complained of it being too loose but the owner thought it was too pushy in the front. It's the different driving styles and the different ways of achieving a result that makes the sport a bit of a guessing game.
I think $70k to build a top car is a bit on the low side actually, it would be an interesting exercise to cost it out but I guess there would be people around who would know the actual cost if they were brave enough to add it up. LOL