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Post by stockkarmad on Nov 23, 2009 19:44:43 GMT 12
Was just wondering who makes the call to red or yellow flag a race .Have noticed couple of incidents during different meetings.First one large peice of sumthing on track looked like muffler was causing damage to cars flag marshalls talked bout it for 2 to 3 laps and still did,nt no what to do.Second stockcar took big hit push sideways down straight ended up just inside the infeild and clearly gave flag marshall thumbs down Flag marshall looked at him like what do u want me to do.All the flag marshalls are in radio contact with control tower surely they must be able to make the call to stop race or at least yellow flag.What training do marshalls go thru before season or is it just before racing starts.For the safety of drivers and spectators you would think they would have to be train properly.
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Post by kinder on Nov 23, 2009 19:48:57 GMT 12
the ref because they are in control of the lights
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Post by ex tank68p on Nov 23, 2009 19:52:07 GMT 12
Was just wondering who makes the call to red or yellow flag a race .Have noticed couple of incidents during different meetings.First one large peice of sumthing on track looked like muffler was causing damage to cars flag marshalls talked bout it for 2 to 3 laps and still did,nt no what to do.Second stockcar took big hit push sideways down straight ended up just inside the infeild and clearly gave flag marshall thumbs down Flag marshall looked at him like what do u want me to do.All the flag marshalls are in radio contact with control tower surely they must be able to make the call to stop race or at least yellow flag.What training do marshalls go thru before season or is it just before racing starts.For the safety of drivers and spectators you would think they would have to be train properly. the flag guy will radio back to the control tower and it is then up to the ref to flick the lights on the flag guy cant do a thing till the lights go red or yellow |
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Post by Nellie Irvine on Nov 23, 2009 19:59:09 GMT 12
It's the old story, If you don't like how it is done do it your self. Go and have a go at it.
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Post by stockkarmad on Nov 23, 2009 20:03:48 GMT 12
Thank you was just wondering what rites flag marshalls had thank you for ya replies
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Post by Row on Nov 23, 2009 20:38:01 GMT 12
The flag marshall or more commonly the clerk of the course will notify the ref in the tower about the situation for them to make the call. Thumbs down are an immediate Red light of course. Debris on the track is another matter. The ref may want extra feed back as to whether or not it is in dangerous location, on the racing line etc. Also unfortunately in some places not every flag marshall has radio contact with the control tower.
At Huntly we had a training day with SNZ officials to cover both new rules for this season and we then broke into groups depending on role and went over duties and responsibilities for the coming season.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Nov 23, 2009 21:02:56 GMT 12
It's the old story, If you don't like how it is done do it your self. Go and have a go at it. Come on Nellie - be nice. NOBODY has more flair than you on the flags. Is it true you attribute your flag skills to your ballet lessons in an earlier life?  Note the left leg and left hand perfectly synchronized ... |
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Post by eddiek on Nov 23, 2009 21:57:16 GMT 12
Jeeze theres no escaping the BOP Paparazzi is there? ;D
(Still blushing over Chipgate last season!)
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Post by gocuz92 on Nov 24, 2009 10:43:54 GMT 12
im a infield marshall on 3 and 4 at woodford glen speedway and we can not do a thing until the refree gives the signal , if you think you can do better by all means come and do our job, as we put our life on the line for your enteritainment each week.........
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Post by dave84c on Nov 24, 2009 11:17:49 GMT 12
so were you instructed to get in brads way as he was trying to get off the wall ;D he nearly got some1 bet there undies were full.
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Post by shanej on Nov 24, 2009 11:23:15 GMT 12
im a infield marshall on 3 and 4 at woodford glen speedway and we can not do a thing until the refree gives the signal , if you think you can do better by all means come and do our job, as we put our life on the line for your enteritainment each week......... YES!! i must admit...didnt give the ol flag marshalls much of a thought till i had a stint at it one season, there can be alot going on at times and when you give the clerk or ref a yodel on ur mic/ear piece for something you think is either a hazard or an incident and you dont get a reply for a while...all you can do is wait...like the other guy said...you cant just wave your flag until you're told ( im sure common sense would always prevail) . You know, and the crowd know that something's happened and they probably asume you just start waving the flag but yeah...its all controlled from above!! and a great job they do too....as do the infield crews at all tracks...TOP MARKS to you all  |
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Post by Crank on Nov 24, 2009 11:23:23 GMT 12
if you think you can do better by all means come and do our job, as we put our life on the line for your enteritainment each week......... small price to pay for the best seats in the house ;D how many infield flag marshalls have been involved in accidents in nz speedway, many? |
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Post by gocuz92 on Nov 24, 2009 15:36:48 GMT 12
if you look at me on on the side of the track i would rather watch some night you see a lot more on the out side
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Post by kevin61 on Nov 24, 2009 17:06:20 GMT 12
We had an incident at Huntly a few years back when a flag marshal decided to wave a red flag from the pit gate, some cars stopped and others that were racing to the lights didn't and caused a major crash, Our car and a few others were badly bent, I guess he saw something the other marshals didn't. But a good example of how difficult it is for them, and how bad things can get if they get it wrong.
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Post by cabbydave on Nov 24, 2009 17:14:26 GMT 12
 It's the old story, If you don't like how it is done do it your self. Go and have a go at it. thats one of the attitudes that kills sports such as speedway. Joe bloggs may not do a certain job himself but thats not to  mean he cant question if the said job may be able to be done better
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Post by stockkarmad on Nov 24, 2009 19:09:14 GMT 12
S**t sorry to the flag marshalls i have upset was not meant to say you don,t do good job you guys do awesum job.I was just curious as to who had the final say and how it worked thankyou for explaining.Have been a speedway spectator for 28 years i luv it and would luv to be more involved but due to my children also luving speedway and me marring a non speedway lover i and youngest child being five cannot at moment.To all flag marshalls i have offended i apoligise as if was not for you giving up you time to speedway there would be no speedway thank you
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Post by tank11 on Nov 24, 2009 19:34:00 GMT 12
It's worth a go infield.
Totally different view when holding the flags.
Just approach the committee, I'm sure they would be grateful.
Just remember to watch the class as it races towards you, don't turn your back on the approaching vehicle.
Once they have gone past, most of the danger has gone.
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Post by ex tank68p on Nov 24, 2009 22:43:06 GMT 12
The flag marshall or more commonly the clerk of the course will notify the ref in the tower about the situation for them to make the call. Thumbs down are an immediate Red light of course. Debris on the track is another matter. The ref may want extra feed back as to whether or not it is in dangerous location, on the racing line etc. Also unfortunately in some places not every flag marshall has radio contact with the control tower. At Huntly we had a training day with SNZ officials to cover both new rules for this season and we then broke into groups depending on role and went over duties and responsibilities for the coming season. was in huntly for the teams racing think you guys done well |
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Post by eddiek on Nov 25, 2009 0:02:48 GMT 12
Although I've never waved a flag at a speedway venue (makes it hard to hold the camera straight!) I did do a stint at the Hamilton 400 this year as a flag marshall.
We had 3 flaggies in each point - I was stationed at the last left hander leading onto the front straight. We had a piece of concrete separating us from the car, but essentially that was thicker than the gap between it and Todd Kelly when he got spun in there one day.
Of the flaggies, one of the three would have the radio and was in charge of the station. We ran ours so that we would chop and change a little with the other two - one was spotter one would wave the flag when instructed to do so by the leader. Only in the event of a localised yellow would we act without instruction from Race Control. If the spotter saw the previous flag station had a yellow out, we would be required to show our green if our section was clear. All blues, double yellows, reds, greens (on restart), SC boards and others would be shown - and recalled on instruction from RC only. And on that subject, feel sorry for the poor sods who have to hold those SC boards out for several laps at a time, they're not as light as they look!
I can see how much chaos could reign if a red was shown accidentally - at the 2008 event Craig Lowndes was complaining about a red traffic light two blocks away outside the complex even, and we had to wear white only, no fluros, not even if it rained.
And on the infield? We have to ensure our flash AF assists on the cameras are turned off, because they are bright red.
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mean he cant question if the said job may be able to be done better